I AM Appalled at Ebay's FEES!!!

AlbertanDude · September 26, 2008 3:45PM

I know this might not be new to some of you guys but I just got my invoice for selling and listing about 400 items of Hockey Cards and I AM being charged 400 Dollars??? My total sales last night were 3500 us and EBAY is taking 400 dollars off of me??

What the hell......I thought the only charge was a listing charge?? I have done this before...I didn't know they take 8 percent of my sales after???

I am LIVID!!

Has Ebay always done this??? I do not recall in my other sales them ever charging these appalling rates??

If anyone has some insight, please help me!!

Dev

earlycalguy · September 26, 2008 3:54PM

are you being serious? - you didn't know eBay charged a selling fee in addition to the listing fee. the selling fee did just go up but the fee itself is nothing new. if ebay only charged .25 cents per listing they would be in the same boat as WAMU

neenish · September 26, 2008 3:59PM

Don't forget the paypal fees they'll take away as well from your bottom line.

Blackborder · September 26, 2008 4:03PM

You'll get some of the fees refunded from the people who won't pay you.

metalmike · September 26, 2008 4:08PM

Someone has to say it- sorry this happened to you.

AlbertanDude · September 26, 2008 4:11PM

I honestly had no idea about them taking nearly 10 percent of MY MONEY!!!

I am sickened..seriously...I feel like someone has kicked me in my guts....I NEVER recalled
a fee where they take nearly 10 percent of my final sale???

When did this start???

SOMEONE HAS to start a rival business to EBAY and in a hurry...

I am angry to say the least...and I have about at least 25-30 thousand dollars of stuff here I need
to sell......

mtcards · September 26, 2008 4:15PM

As wise men once said "Hatte" will make you powerful

and

Welcome to the ebay hatters home page

Ebay's fees are not the only screw they are putting to people, but its the only one they actually put up front in writing nowadays. Selling on ebay has gotten to the point where selling is a risk due to the buying scams going on and buying is a risk for the same reasons. The fees are just the lube for the real bending over. Wait until some of your buyers start pulling Paypal chargebacks and SNAD claims on you, then you will REALLY feel the burn

digicat · September 26, 2008 4:20PM

<< When did this start??? >>

There have ALWAYS been Final Value Fees.

AlbertanDude · September 26, 2008 4:20PM

Mtcards, I don't know what you are talking about paypal charge backs and Snad?

All I know, SURELY someone out there is working on starting to build a rival to ebay......this monopoly
cannot last.......I havn't sold for quite awhile so this is shocking to me..

I see on the Ebay Sellers forum that I am not alone....ton's of people up in arms over ebay's policies!!

EagleEyeKid · September 26, 2008 4:21PM

SOMEONE HAS to start a rival business to EBAY and in a hurry...

I nominate you.

storm888 · September 26, 2008 4:21PM

As a major hater of the RICO-Enterprise, the ONE thing I never
complain about is FVFs.

Those fees are paid with money I collect from the buyers.

Blackborder · September 26, 2008 4:23PM

<< Mtcards, I don't know what you are talking about paypal charge backs and Snad? >>

If you're mad about ebay fees, the worst is yet to come.

AlbertanDude · September 26, 2008 4:26PM

Digicat, surely the Final Value fees were never this high??? I have sold a lot in the past and my invoices
were fine....but this one today has blown me out of the water....

Utter greed on the behalf of ebay...unbelievable...

storm888 · September 26, 2008 4:27PM

ebid.net has both traffic AND buyers.

delcampe.com has MILLIONS of listings AND traffic.

Blackborder · September 26, 2008 4:29PM

As noted before, storm's sig line sums it up.

mtcards · September 26, 2008 4:29PM

Basically, it goes like this.

Chargebacks- You sell a $100 card. Buyer pays with Paypal. You either forget to use Delivery Confirmation or the USPS doesnt scan it, the buyer claims he never got item (Even though he did), files a claim with Paypal..you LOSE your $100 and he keeps the item..nothing you can do.... YOU LOSE SIR..GOOD DAY!!

SNAD- You sell a PSA Graded card for $100, buyer pays with Paypal, he gets card....doesnt think it should have graded that high, files a claim with paypal ( Says Item NOT AS DESCRIBED), he is required to send card back to you...he sends you empty envelope with air in it, but uses Delivery Confirmation. Paypal refunds his money..he keeps item. YOU LOSE SIR....GOOD DAY!!!

These are just a few of the new surprises, not to mention that you will undoubtedly get a negative feedback on both transactions which you can do nothing about.

nightcrawler · September 26, 2008 4:31PM

Jumpin Jesus.

Blackborder · September 26, 2008 4:33PM

<< Basically, it goes like this.

Chargebacks- You sell a $100 card. Buyer pays with Paypal. You either forget to use Delivery Confirmation or the USPS doesnt scan it, the buyer claims he never got item (Even though he did), files a claim with Paypal..you LOSE your $100 and he keeps the item..nothing you can do.... YOU LOSE SIR..GOOD DAY!!

SNAD- You sell a PSA Graded card for $100, buyer pays with Paypal, he gets card....doesnt think it should have graded that high, files a claim with paypal ( Says Item NOT AS DESCRIBED), he is required to send card back to you...he sends you empty envelope with air in it, but uses Delivery Confirmation. Paypal refunds his money..he keeps item. YOU LOSE SIR....GOOD DAY!!!

These are just a few of the new surprises, not to mention that you will undoubtedly get a negative feedback on both transactions which you can do nothing about. >>

You left out the part about paypal freezing his money if he doesn't leave positive feedback immediately, to insure the buyers who make fradulent claims get refunded asap.

AlbertanDude · September 26, 2008 4:35PM

You have to be kidding me MT?????

Oh my Lord......its a good thing I recognize most of my buyers as stand up people....

So what I am being told, their is no way around this vis a vis ebay? They basically take
10 percent of my sale now????? Unreal......

earlycalguy · September 26, 2008 4:48PM

if you are selling on ebay and taking paypal...which in a couple weeks you have to accept...you really should educate yourself on the requirements to protect yourself and following proper shipping requirements. you don't want to learn about those the hard way.

mtcards · September 26, 2008 4:50PM

Yes, the fees are here to stay and may only get higher as ebay scrambles to make up for lost customers by increasing the profits on the ones that are left. Beginning in October, Ebay is basically forcing you to take Paypal, no more checks or money orders, thereby increasing your fees through Paypal and increasing the percentage of sales you might have claims on.

This is why I closed my ebay store and havent sold anything in a few months now. Too much risk, higher fees, not worth the effort anymore.

metalmike · September 26, 2008 4:55PM

I am amazed you sold 3500 worth of hockey cards at this time of year and with the economy about to crash. 4 words sir, shut the hell up.

grote15 · September 26, 2008 5:00PM

This is a spoof thread, right?

AlbertanDude · September 26, 2008 5:07PM

Not a spoof at all...check out my auctions on ebay.. my name is 'proamericanalbertan'.......and yes call me naive and ignorant...

Because I HAD no bloody idea that Ebay took that much of my sales before....

I have a ton of stuff here to sell raw and graded and now I don't know what to do?????

metalmike · September 26, 2008 5:19PM

Wow- 3500 in sales and Feebay took 10%? Consider me a hatter.

Blackborder · September 26, 2008 5:21PM

AlbertanDude · September 26, 2008 5:21PM

I'm sorry but I am not getting this 'hatter' stuff?

Anyways, Metal Mike, I am more then happy with the price I got last night...in fact thrilled....

Until I got my invoice today from ebay and my jaw nearly hit the floor!!

ping4u43 · September 26, 2008 5:22PM

AlbertanDude · September 26, 2008 5:31PM

You know...I don't mind paying for services but my Lord, 10 percent for these guys for basically doing
not much of anything??? 400 dollars they got from me...a little guy....40 Dollars would be reasonable..

400 dollars ......that's when revolutions start...

I remember 6 months ago when I sold my 71/72 opc graded hockey set to a lady near Philly...we agreed
upon the price of 32 000 US....so she sent me my first installement of 8000 US through Paypal...Oh my lord...

I couldn't believe HOW much they took??? SO I emailed her back telling her to send me checks and she did and
everything was cool...the outright theivery of paypal and ebay is sickening....

I am pro free market and capitalist all the way.....but this is simply people abusing the system...

metalmike · September 26, 2008 5:47PM

The Flea market I sell at charges 13 dollars a day to sell stuff. To break even I need to sell at least 13 dollars worth. 10% would be very agreeable to me except when I sell 500 bucks worth of junque.

Zixx · September 26, 2008 5:48PM

You could always open a shop and sell your stuff there. I'm sure that would be cheaper, right?

Either that or read the Ebay fees information before you list . . .

Dude, you sold stuff. You really think that's supposed to happen for pennies? Outright thievery? Didn't you sign up and agree when you listed your items? News flash, Ebay is a business. I think they try to make money.

What next, you put a piece of paper with words on it inside an envelope, then blow a gasket when some company wants an unreal 42 cents to deliver said envelope? Ya, kinda like that.

grote15 · September 26, 2008 5:56PM

$400 FVF on 3.5K of product is the cost of doing business. Try paying rent for a card shop if you believe otherwise. Ebay is far from perfect but final value fees are WAY at the bottom of their faults right now, IMO. After all, what other venue provides sellers with the exposure that ebay does? Obviously, you have no concept of the cost of doing business in the real world.

10 percent for these guys for basically doing
not much of anything???

Are you kidding? How else would you find the buyers for your cards if it weren't for ebay and the venue they provide? I'm hardly an ebay advocate, and I disagree with a number of the changes they've implemented of late, but this complaint is quite ridiculous. If you want to see unfair, wait till a buyer files a claim for an item you shipped and gets his money back and the item, too!

grote15 · September 26, 2008 6:02PM

I am pro free market and capitalist all the way.....but this is simply people abusing the system...

That statement is rather amusing considering that you sound like a socialist in your posts ranting against a corporation like Ebay for having the audacity to charge an appropriate fee for the service and venue they provide...

AlbertanDude · September 26, 2008 6:20PM

Grote, I am anything but a socialist...trust me....I make Ronald Reagan look like the President of the ACLU...but the rates
that ebay are NOW charging are appalling...

I used to sell stuff quite a while ago on there and I never encountered these kind of fees...

I don't mind people making a profit but taking 10 percent for what it costs ebay is outrageous!

Zixx · September 26, 2008 6:26PM

<< Grote, I am anything but a socialist...trust me....I make Ronald Reagan look like the President of the ACLU...but the rates
that ebay are NOW charging are appalling...

I used to sell stuff quite a while ago on there and I never encountered these kind of fees...

I don't mind people making a profit but taking 10 percent for what it costs ebay is outrageous! >>

Then it's simple, quit selling on ebay

Glad that's settled!

metalmike · September 26, 2008 6:53PM

So? you sell small pieces of paper and make a living? STHU. 10% ha ha ha Babies get 25% I will NEVER Understand you hockey dudes.

swartz1 · September 26, 2008 8:24PM

Next time ...set up a table outside your house and have a yard sale...I am sure you will do just as well...

bziddy · September 26, 2008 9:20PM

Yeah, their fees are getting steep. However, they still deliver a bunch of buyers with money in hand who bid on auctions. I've sold maybe 500 things on ebay, and only 1 was in the same county as me. So I just look at it as part of the opportunity cost.

As far as the people who've had problems with ebay buyers ripping them off -- does this happen to you regularly? Like I said, I've sold maybe 500 things and I've had 2 NPB, but 2 of those contacted me almost immediately to tell me that they'd be unable to pay -- the other two just ignored any emails I sent.

viking7 · September 26, 2008 10:20PM

If the cards you will be selling are in demand then you could try to sell some of them direct. Use the buy sell & trade or vintage sportscard trading section of psa's site and check out Net 54. Do some direct deals and then the only thing you pay for is the percentage to paypal. If you have repeat customers you've dealt with over the years send them a price list and see if that works. If selling graded cards contact some of the PSA Registry collectors of those sets. Good luck with your sales.

Leiascards · September 27, 2008 12:19AM

400 dollars to list 400 cards. That is possible if you used special features and such or started them all at very high bids. You could have listed them all at fixed prices for 35 cents each with best offer. Never mind I see that this was including FVF.

I am a silver power seller and my monthly fees are usually only around 600 dollars a month something is not adding up here and that includes FVFs.

As far as buyers ripping sellers and vise versa you have to remember there are hundreds of thousands of transactions daily on Ebay we only ever hear about the bad ones. People do not talk about the good only the bad.

Open a real store and you will find out what fees are if you think Ebay fees are high.

WinPitcher · September 27, 2008 12:31AM

ou know...I don't mind paying for services but my Lord, 10 percent for these guys for basically doing
not much of anything???

Lol they did allow your wares to be seen by millions.

Rent a table or a store front then come back and complain to me.

I have an answer for you don't sell on ebay.

Steve

itzagoner · September 27, 2008 12:39AM

[birds chirping]it's a lovely day out here in front of my house......the sun is out, there is faint hint of a breeze, i've got my feet up on the table and i'm reading a magazine......something's missing here, though, it must be movement, yeah actual commerce taking place would be nice, but instead i'll just sit here.....with my feet up, my magazine......AND MY UNSOLD LEMONADE![/birds chirping]

detroitfan2 · September 27, 2008 12:44AM

<< You'll get some of the fees refunded from the people who won't pay you. >>

Now that was a good one.

otwcards · September 27, 2008 12:52AM

Complaining about FVF's when eBay has them posted sounds more like sour grapes and greed. You complain about eBay's fees, but rave about the prices you got. Getting those thrilling prices comes at a cost. From the tone of what your auctions closed at, it sounds like eBay provided you with more willing and able buyers willing to pay more than you expected, yet you begrudge them their listed fees for providing such a service?

Then you also complain about PayPal taking a percentage of a previous transaction for providing a service while claiming to be a capitalist.

Sorry, but you sound more like a one-way street. You want to make the most money, but you begrudge anyone that provides the service for you to charge a reasonable fee for providing said service. That doesn't make you a capitalist, it makes you a self-centered, selfish pig!

BTW, don't forget about the $2.00 profit you're making per auction on that $3.00-$3.50 shipping (that's an ADDITIONAL 20% vig on most of your auctions that the BUYER is paying YOU). Based upon the 150+ auctions that you just ran, that covers almost all of the fees, but then again, I bet you're ticked off that the postal even charged to ship the cards. Yup, a self-centered, selfish pig!

itzagoner · September 27, 2008 1:03AM

damn.

bman90278 · September 27, 2008 1:20AM

<< I know this might not be new to some of you guys but I just got my invoice for selling and listing about 400 items of Hockey Cards and I AM being charged 400 Dollars??? My total sales last night were 3500 us and EBAY is taking 400 dollars off of me?? >>

I'm very sorry this happened to you. Seriously, ebay's fees are clearly stated on their site. Yes ebay has been doing lots of wrong changes and their fees always seem to go up, but try doing your own web site with your own domain name. You will need to do lots of work and advertising to get any traffic, and it won't compare to ebays traffic. That being said, ebay is tough to beat right now for the buck.

Maybe GoogleAuction is around the corner??

Brian

bziddy · September 27, 2008 1:58AM

I heard GoogleBid is probably not going to happen because of the amount of adwords that ebay buys from google.

WinPitcher · September 27, 2008 2:02AM

Scott said what many here were thinking.

Steve

goose3 · September 27, 2008 2:11AM

Don't hold back Scott!

Tell us how you really feel.

Leiascards · September 27, 2008 2:12AM

Google gave up on the auction idea a couple of years ago.

Buccaneer · September 27, 2008 2:19AM

<< Scott said what many here were thinking.

Steve >>

Yep.

I AM Appalled at Ebay's FEES!!!

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