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1795 Draped Bust Dollar

78750Aggie78750Aggie Posts: 417 ✭✭
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I have the opportunity to purchase this coin, but unable to hold in hand prior to purchase. I have matched to PCGS photos and it looks exact, but the weight is unknown. Would one of you dollar experts take a look to see if you can verify authenticity. The original owner obtained during WWII years and has now passed to his son who is willing to part with the coin.

Thanks!


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Aggie

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  • SilverEagles92SilverEagles92 Posts: 6,787 ✭
    Avoid that coin like the plague.
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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    it does not look real.
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    First, can you get more focused images?
    Second, the coin in question looks to have been cleaned at one point and toned over, "over the years".
    Third, the grade of this coin, if authentic, looks to be in the upper AU range with lot's of luster left.
    Fourth, give me a minute to ID the variety to provide some added support for authenticity.

    I would suggest that you offer to send the coin into ANACS, NCS, or PCGS (for genuine service), before you purchase the coin outright.
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    The variety seems to fit the B-14, BB-51 (R1) variety.
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  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    Hair doesn't look right to me at all....I'd pass
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  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A closer, more detailed pic could do better in determining authenticity. Maybe a pic of the coins edge would also help.
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  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    If that IS real, it looks like it was re-engraved.

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  • 78750Aggie78750Aggie Posts: 417 ✭✭
    Thanks for doing the research Stone. You being able to match the variety, do believe it's authentic based on these somewhat blurry photos? I can attempt to get clearer photos, but it might be tomorrow if so.

    Thanks,

    78750Aggie
    Aggie
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    Here's an image that closely matches the example you are showing.
    I believe it is the same variety, plus the example I am showing shows similar grade and strike qualities.

    I am still skeptical of the authenticity of your coin just because it seemed to come from nowhere and it's such a high grade piece.

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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    stone, the 2nd curl from the bottom in the hair area seems to be
    touching the star.. while the coin in the OP is not even close from
    what i can see.
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭


    << <i>stone, the 2nd curl from the bottom in the hair area seems to be
    touching the star.. while the coin in the OP is not even close from
    what i can see. >>


    I see what you mean. As far as I can tell, it's close, and I am not saying that it is a definitive match.
    I'm only trying to prove the coin is genuine by providing the closest example for the variety I can find.
  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    Also looks polished/cleaned
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  • AU58WALKERSAU58WALKERS Posts: 3,562 ✭
    the nose doesn't look right
    "Everyday above ground is a good day"

  • SilverEagles92SilverEagles92 Posts: 6,787 ✭


    << <i>Also looks polished/cleaned >>



    And the color definitely doesn't look natural - it looks digested!
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  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    Rims are shallow.

    The artificial toning looks horrid.
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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    what bothers me the most is the line that is on the rev that runs
    nicely along the dentils.. just a bit away.. going along the edge...

    very strange that. never saw that on a coin of this date before...

    but i am a rookie.
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭


    << <i>what bothers me the most is the line that is on the rev that runs
    nicely along the dentils.. just a bit away.. going along the edge...

    very strange that. never saw that on a coin of this date before...

    but i am a rookie. >>


    I saw that too, and I think you are on to something. It's the largest point I have regarding its authenticity.
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭


    << <i>the nose doesn't look right >>



    yes. i totally agree comparing it to the other pic.
  • pcgs69pcgs69 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭✭
    Run away!
  • 78750Aggie78750Aggie Posts: 417 ✭✭
    Master Collector - I agree, the coin does not match this pic and had looked earlier tonight at this picture. But I searched the Coin Facts pictures for Draped Bust Dollars and found the 1795 SILVER DOLLAR - BOLENDER 14 photo that looks like the curls in the coin.

    I have emailed for additional photos and pics of the Edge Lettering. I do not believe it is real, but IF it is I would like to purchase th coin. I spoke with the owner and googled his house from the street perspective...all looks OK. I also felt that this coin is in too good of condition to have gone unknown for this long, but he assures me (with kids cutting up in the background) his Dad otained the coin circa 1943 and has held it all this time. The coin recently passed to him due to his fathers death and he apparently has a bunch of IHC's he doesn't know what to do with. He is sending me a list of all the coins his father left him. He is not interested in holding the coins and wishes to sell all of them.

    78750Aggie
    Aggie
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  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    If you buy this coin, also buy this:

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  • jdillanejdillane Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭
    We know that the the 1795 off center bust is the most copied DBSE dollar. Most of the other dates faked by the Chinese used the off center bust making it easy to know they are fake since this obverse was only used in 1795. This one has the look of a fake that has been cleaned and AT'd in an attempt to distract from authenticity issues.
  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,096 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You appear Hell-bent to buy the coin, but unless it were given to me essentially for free I would run away as fast as I could. By the way, I do actively collect coinage of this era.
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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    If I couldn't see the coin in-hand BEFORE committing to it, I would tell the seller... thanks, but NO THANKS!!!
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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Trust in what Tom B says.He knows this series extremly well.

    Al
  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    Its fake and not a very good one at that.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • commoncents123commoncents123 Posts: 2,648 ✭
    That coin reeks...If you have that kind of money to drop, spend it on something else...buy an 1815/2 Bust half or some early gold or somethin'
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    Buy an example from a reputable dealer. I know the dealers sometime get a bad rap, but there are lots of good ones out there, and you know you won't get taken to the cleaners (at least not that badly image ). I would stay away from buying raw, excessively rare coins on Ebay.
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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    never mind...

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