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Error or Trial Piece

onekramonekram Posts: 12
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Coin Sent (vs) Coin Received


I’ve posted an Image on this coin forum of 1 coin viewing 2 sides of my coin sent, along with 1 side of coin received, the image of coins came by e-mail from the coin dealer attempting to say it is the same coin, this image was posted on the coin forum.

This is my error, by not posting both sides of coin received with new scans images of the coin received rather than using the e-mail image of one side of the coin.

I spent the past months showing the e-mail image of the coin sent, compared to the coin received to coin collectors in my area. They are not qualified to write up the difference of the needed description of the 2 different coins. Encouraged by these coin collectors not to give up on the issue of receiving the wrong coin.

Humbly Requesting a written description of the coin sent (vs) Coin received too finally put this issue to rest. Unable to determine if coin sent is an experimental coin, error or trial piece based upon the characteristics of the coin it self.

Notice the image of the two coins in comparison to each other with the arrow pointing out the “markings” on the face of the coin this image was received by e-mail color & tone was added.

I printed large copy of the 2 coin image I received by e-mail. Local coin dealer compared it to each other, then compared the coin in my hand. He noticed the printed image was made to look like the original coin sent. Also pointed out that the color & tone of the coin in question is being passed off as if it is the same coin sent, which it is not the same coin. He finally compared the markings on BOTH SIDES of the coin that raised more questions.

From his response I scan the questioned coin again that I received from the coin dealer also had digital pictures made and compared them to each other for further comparison. The markings on the backside of coin are 100% different. Also the e-mail image of the two coin pointing out on the face of the coin with the arrow pointing to each marking on the coin reveals one coin with an oblique marking on the other coin has a vertical marking in the secondary field on the coin. The markings on the coin point out by arrow are not the same.

I took these new scans of the “coin received” for the image to be posted on the coin forum so that the Image received by e-mail to be compared to the scan of the coin itself I have in hand. Notice the markings on the coin received are not the same coin.

The darker coin is the coin I received. The lighter coin is the coin sent.

Please look at “onekram 10 images” This is my scan of the original coin received.

Please do not confuse the image crop with “onekram Album of 20 images”. This is the E-mail image used that the coin dealer sent to me that I placed on coin forums. I crop the image to reflect the difference in the size of the digits / date.

If you have any questions! At your request will send you larger image of scan and or digital image of coin received by e-mail or US post for your comparison. What I received is different to the coin I sent. Please advise the “SIZE” of the Image of the coin to send by e-mail.

Please forward your findings to another2@prodigy.net

Thank you for your time.
onekram



Image of different coin received

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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,733 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Welcome back. My only question is does your nurse at the happy home know you have her internet log-on and password.


    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Welcome back. My only question is does your nurse at the happy home know you have her internet log-on and password.


    Sean Reynolds >>



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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    Absolutely nothing has changed since your original post!

    I'm thinking its time that you give up this paranoid delusion where your one of a kind, pattern, special piece was replaced by a cloned look a like and just move on!
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    Same coin, different pics. image



    Ed
  • 66RB66RB Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭
    Two different types of lighting, two different types of focus, two different size sets of photos..........................the only thing the same in any of those photos is the coin!

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't wait for Post #3! imageimage
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image Cheers, RickO
  • AU58WALKERSAU58WALKERS Posts: 3,562 ✭
    It's "THE SWRUBS" fault
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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just saw a picture of the Easter Bunny on a Ritz Cracker
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  • rgCoinGuyrgCoinGuy Posts: 7,478 ✭
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    imageQuid pro quo. Yes or no?
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • onekramonekram Posts: 12
    Anyone skilled in the art can make a duplicate “surface markings” on any coin with today’s current technology.

    As for the “condition of this coin” such as the “digit / date location etc” and Headband “liberty” on this coin; this is a strong indication of (coin counterfeit) who is unable to deviate from that perspective of details.

    Approach the coin on this aspect before jumping into the fire with everyone else stating “same coin”.

    When in Fact the coin sent in “about fine condition” when received the different coin it’s in “Very Fine condition”?

    This is as simple as I can get when trying to make my point.


    onekram

  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    Girafa still sees same coin.

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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,733 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Okay, so someone "skilled in the art" wanted to steal your highly valuable Venezuela/Indian cent hybrid pattern trial piece, so he duplicated every contact mark, toning patch, die chip and planchet striation from your coin on a second coin, but neglected to use a coin of the same grade? And you're basing this all on a comparison of a mediocre photo to a terrible one?

    Sorry, but Occam's razor still says you're a crackpot.


    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • rgCoinGuyrgCoinGuy Posts: 7,478 ✭
    If at first you don't succeed, post, post again.
    imageQuid pro quo. Yes or no?
  • erroiderroid Posts: 795 ✭
    I'm not quite sure why you keep beating the dead horse, but so be it. You wrote this board, as well as others, to get folks to agree with you; that didn't happen, so you continue to write to see if we'll change our minds?? Well, that ain't happening either; the coin is the same and nothing is going to change that.
    John G Bradley II
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭


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    My coworkers are wondering what I am laughing at! That clip is hilarious!
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    All I can say is that, in the wrong hands, a little knowledge can be pretty irritating!

    Especially if its been tempered with a little dab of paranoia, distrust and poor preparation!

    The possibilities are simply endless!
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    Sir, I have looked carefully at your photos and they are indisputably of the same exact coin. Everyone who has offered an opinion agrees. None of us have anything to gain or lose by offering an opinion either way, so this audience is as unbiased as you could find.

    Your coin was examined by the top expert in the series, and he told you exactly what you have. He also would have no reason to mislead you in any way.

    Please remember that we would be thrilled to learn that someone had a previously unknown error or trial piece which first came to light here. If your claims were true, we would be happy for you. But the fact is that all those photos are of the same coin. No one has done you any wrong.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • Rupert305Rupert305 Posts: 557 ✭


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    My coworkers are wondering what I am laughing at! That clip is hilarious! >>



    I was just asked the same thing.
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Anyone skilled in the art can make a duplicate “surface markings” on any coin with today’s current technology.

    onekram >>




    Baloney!
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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