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AGREE? or dIsAgReE! Black Spots on New Lincolns are Mint Issued and should NOT count for Grading.
ambro51
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OK. Those ugly black cesspool spots on the New Lincoln Cents are Mint Produced. Since the COIN is graded based on its MINT PRODUCED CONDITION........... Black Spots should NOT be viewed as a negative when the coin is TPG graded.
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Point being.....can mint condition "exceed" actual MINT condition?
<< <i>I AGREE that you all will disagree.....
Point being.....can mint condition "exceed" actual MINT condition? >>
A coin with a perfect strike, booming luster, flawless and markless fields, and black spots does not deserve to be in a 70 holder.
<< <i>Eye appeal is part of the equation for grading. If they are ugly, the grade should be lowered. >>
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<< <i>I AGREE that you all will disagree.....
Point being.....can mint condition "exceed" actual MINT condition? >>
A coin with a perfect strike, booming luster, flawless and markless fields, and black spots does not deserve to be in a 70 holder. >>
If PCGS will not allow previously holdered MS/PF70RD Lincolns to remain so designated, why would they holder a cent as MS70 which already has imperfections???
Everything counts for grading; some more than others.
Those black spots develop AFTER the coin has been minted.
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<< <i>Who wants to grade new Lincolns?
HAHAHA People will grade anything shinny these days
<< <i>As-minted spots do not affect the technical grade, but they do affect the market grade. And since market grading dominates today, and since market grading will downgrade an ugly coin, I'd have to disagree. >>
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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<< <i>As-minted spots do not affect the technical grade, but they do affect the market grade.. >>
Since when are spots "as-minted"? They are post mint damage not unlike bag marks.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
agree or not, it's unrealistic to expect.
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like silver eagles with their..."got milk"...issue
maybe someone find a tpg accepted chemical pressure spraying way to 50k and address those black spots while he's at it
Just take some time to look at the pictures on the ESM collection, one of the few top Lincoln sets to have most coins imaged....It is a real education to look over what is in those MS67, MS68 and MS69 slabs from about 2000 onward. Its not a pretty sight. Some of those coins...Id look at and toss in the change can. Yes spotted stained surfaces are making top pop slabs.
Despite what common thought is, the grading criterion on late Lincolns is taking a twist.
You look at the surfaces of the coins in these slabs...and no one would tolerate that staining or spotting on a Wheat in the identical grade.
I dont know. That rinse is bad. I can wash my dishes or my car and not get black pools all over.
Someone needs to get a Chemist inside the mint and figure this out....or all the effort to make these 2009 commemeratives is going to be wasted.
Who wants these stinking spots! Apparantly PCGS is quite content with them but they need to use some Muscle and Influence to try to get this spotting issue resolved.
<< <i>I AGREE that you all will disagree.....
Point being.....can mint condition "exceed" actual MINT condition? >>
You can prove they rolled off the mint's presses with the spots and that the spots didn't occur 1 second after, or anywhere inbetween then and the time you got it?
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