eBay did it, no more money orders or checks.
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Now official.... at least, for now... they could of course change their minds at any time.
http://pages.ebay.com/sell/August2008Update/ConfidentBuyers/
http://pages.ebay.com/sell/August2008Update/ConfidentBuyers/
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Burgundy
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
<< <i>Absolutely unbelievable. They are no longer screwing sellers, they are gang raping them. Once I sell some stuff there in the next few weeks, I will be done as a seller on Fleecebay.
Burgundy >>
Same here.
<< <i>Good more buyers for me.. My sales have never been better over there than they have since about May. >>
Great, you can be one of the people who they can manipulate into whatever they want to set forth. They like people like you a lot! Not me, I'm done unless things change back. I can do local shows and not have the bull and jumping through hoops.
<< <i>eBay did it, no more money orders or checks. >>
Hmmmmm, I wonder how they could enforce that?
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<< <i>Good more buyers for me.. My sales have never been better over there than they have since about May. >>
Great, you can be one of the people who they can manipulate into whatever they want to set forth. They like people like you a lot! Not me, I'm done unless things change back. I can do local shows and not have the bull and jumping through hoops. >>
Ebay has allowed me to reach people globally, both as a seller and as a buyer. They are still much more reasonable then having to pay for advertising/overhead/labor, etc, that you would have to pay pre-ebay days. Like any venue, they have some things I consider flaws, but to me at least, they offer by far, the best bang for the buck for what I need them for. There are a lot of people that complain about ebay, but not a single one of them has built a better mousetrap, at least in my opinion. Ebay has revolutionized the way people conduct commerce, and I believe it's a good thing and am willing to take the bad with the good for now. Do I feel manipulated by them, no, I get more than my money's worth from them and until that stops, I will continue to utilize them as a tool. Do I feel entitled that they owe me to never change and to only get cheaper for me? Of course not, they sometimes need to adapt to an ever evolving business environment and at times, they might make some decisions that negatively impact me, but all things considered, they are the best value out there of their type. I find their hoops to be wide enough that even my 250 lb. person can navigate them quite easily.
Mike
I just love how anytime Ebay changes the same people say they are going to stop selling on Ebay then the next change its the same story. Most of the changes they announced today I am loving. The 35 cent fixed price listings for 30 days. Double fee discounts for items with free shipping. Combine those 2 and thats great.
I have been Paypal only for about 16 months now so the no checks or money orders makes no difference for me.
I guess you can keep jumping, just don't get any thicker. Those hoops are getting smaller by the day(just joking with you).
As for me, I don't operate globally, just the United States when selling due to potential fraud with foreign buyers. I rarely buy from overseas, so that's not a real need for my involvement in the hobby.
Sometimes change is needed, but in this case, many changes have been done to seemingly squeeze some good folks out on Ebay. That can't be all that healthy for our hobby. I can say that I have noticed quite a bit less of the quality stuff I usually search for coming up on Ebay. I can't help but think that many have cut way back on what they list these days.
Fees and feedback for sellers got monkeyed with, and now they are to cut out paper payments? Just ignorant in my book. It just looks a bit communist like, since they do own Paypal too. Like I told Beckett, when they made their disasterous changes, they need us, we don't need them. Sure, it might make it a bit tougher to stop selling in a market I have used for years, but just like a death in the family, you learn to live with the loss and deal with it. I can utilize shows, online message forums, and the contacts I have made over the last 8-9 years of dealing online.
Goodbye, cruel world.
Wantlist:
2001 Fleer Genuine Elston Howard Material Issue Jersey
2001 Leaf Certified Jackie Robinson Fabrics of the Game Jersey #32
I have one message for them: Suck it.
Burgundy
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
PoppaJ
Ebay is not saying sellers cannot take mailed payment or is it going Paypal only like so many seem to think. Sellers will not be able to communicate that they accept mailed payment, but they cannot stop buyers from mailing you a payment. You can also use your own merchant account or Propay.
Why this is such a suprise I don't know Ebay has been forcing Paypal on new sellers for 2 years now.
<< <i>Everytime Ebay makes a change it is viewed as unfavorable. Thing is sites like Amazon, Naxcom, Sportslots, Cardshark and a few others have been forcing sellers not to take money orders for years and nobody fusses. Their fees have always been more than Paypal and Ebay combined then to get your money from Naxcom, Sportslots and Cardshark you have to pay Paypal fees on top of the fees you already paid.
Ebay is not saying sellers cannot take mailed payment or is it going Paypal only like so many seem to think. Sellers will not be able to communicate that they accept mailed payment, but they cannot stop buyers from mailing you a payment. You can also use your own merchant account or Propay.
Why this is such a suprise I don't know Ebay has been forcing Paypal on new sellers for 2 years now. >>
When are you going to learn that just because you like and are ok with it, everyone else does not have to like or accept it? Enough..
<< <i>When are you going to learn that just because you like and are ok with it, everyone else does not have to like or accept it? Enough.. >>
I have to disagree here. Unless you have your own site, or have access to a viable alternative, you have to accept it. Even by choosing to not sell (or buy, if that is the case) on ebay anymore because of the changes, you will have accepted the fact that ebay has the power to do what they want with their site.
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. - Rush
<< <i>Everytime Ebay makes a change it is viewed as unfavorable. Thing is sites like Amazon, Naxcom, Sportslots, Cardshark and a few others have been forcing sellers not to take money orders for years and nobody fusses. Their fees have always been more than Paypal and Ebay combined then to get your money from Naxcom, Sportslots and Cardshark you have to pay Paypal fees on top of the fees you already paid.
Ebay is not saying sellers cannot take mailed payment or is it going Paypal only like so many seem to think. Sellers will not be able to communicate that they accept mailed payment, but they cannot stop buyers from mailing you a payment. You can also use your own merchant account or Propay.
Why this is such a suprise I don't know Ebay has been forcing Paypal on new sellers for 2 years now. >>
People just like to complain about anything they can nowadays!
It's hilarious to listen to people standing in line at the post office .... they b*tch about waiting in line to anyone that will happen to look their way, and then when it's their turn to be waited on ... they act like everything is great!
The price of gas is too high .... Waaah!
The price of a stamp just went up a penny .... Waaah!
eBay is going to PayPal only and they're making a ton of money .... Waaah!
People have been complaining about eBay since its conception .... and they'll never stop; but they never seem to leave either!
Get over it!
Quit complaining for God's sake .... life is good!
PoppaJ
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People just like to complain about anything they can nowadays!
It's hilarious to listen to people standing in line at the post office .... they b*tch about waiting in line to anyone that will happen to look their way, and then when it's their turn to be waited on ... they act like everything is great!
The price of gas is too high .... Waaah!
The price of a stamp just went up a penny .... Waaah!
eBay is going to PayPal only and they're making a ton of money .... Waaah!
People have been complaining about eBay since its conception .... and they'll never stop; but they never seem to leave either!
Get over it!
Quit complaining for God's sake .... life is good!
PoppaJ >>
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<< <i>When are you going to learn that just because you like and are ok with it, everyone else does not have to like or accept it? Enough.. >>
I have to disagree here. Unless you have your own site, or have access to a viable alternative, you have to accept it. Even by choosing to not sell (or buy, if that is the case) on ebay anymore because of the changes, you will have accepted the fact that ebay has the power to do what they want with their site.
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. - Rush >>
Excatly. As I have said 99% of the people who say they will stop using Ebay will be back in usually less than a month, it never fails. They usually only read what they want to read about the changes and do not see the full picture. Ebays new fixed price policy and double discounts is going to save me over 100.00 a month in fees and should increase my sales.
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<< <i>When are you going to learn that just because you like and are ok with it, everyone else does not have to like or accept it? Enough.. >>
I have to disagree here. Unless you have your own site, or have access to a viable alternative, you have to accept it. Even by choosing to not sell (or buy, if that is the case) on ebay anymore because of the changes, you will have accepted the fact that ebay has the power to do what they want with their site.
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. - Rush >>
Excatly. As I have said 99% of the people who say they will stop using Ebay will be back in usually less than a month, it never fails. They usually only read what they want to read about the changes and do not see the full picture. Ebays new fixed price policy and double discounts is going to save me over 100.00 a month in fees and should increase my sales. >>
Leia, where do you get these "facts" from? That's just something you pulled from your backside, and you know it.
Poppa, folks have a right to complain. Only elitists with higher than thou attitudes can be above complaining when a system keeps on getting tinkered with, so that it affect some folks pocket books, huh? Give me a break, or better yet, keep on being a puppet for Ebay/Paypal. They like people who never question their system. It makes their wallets fatter..
Gumby, what I mean is that if enough people walk away, it hurts Ebay if enough jump on board. I can accept their communist like changes, and be a puppet, or I can walk. Many of us have cut way back after the first wave of changes due to feedback, and their revenue has been affected. The reports are out there as proof. If you want change, and you are fighting the "big man", you have to hit him where it hurts. The pocket $$.
The only pocketbook the littleman is going to hurt fighting the big man is his own.
<< <i>I have been on the Ebay Power Sellers boards and other boards for years and everytime Ebay makes a change the same sellers over there say they are leaving.. blah,blah, blah.. They do stop selling, but a little checking within the first month nearly all are back to selling and when you ask about it "Oh I decided the changes were not so bad." Then the next change guess who the first is that starts cring the sky is falling and they are eventually right back there.
The only pocketbook the littleman is going to hurt fighting the big man is his own. >>
Tell that to some of the greatest Americans who ever lived, who fought the system and won. If we never stand for anything based on principles, then I guess a person will have to stand for nothing and be a puppet? It appears so, or at least history has shown such.
I could see the mandatory paypal issue hurting future ebay sales. folks shipping to Canada from the US and other foreign countries have to take paypal. I see those sales going way down as it's not worth the risk to take paypal and ship overseas. plus, just to get D/C to Canada takes expensive shipping and people may not want to pay those shipping fees.
<< <i>I wonder what a seller like DSL will do now?? They never took Paypal so will they get on board or not?? >>
that is the first thing I thought of.
<< <i>I hated sending MOs, but I always did when I had no choice. >>
yep me too, I usually only did it for the seller above. As a seller I prefer paypal, because I get my money instantly without hassle.
also I agree with what thenavarro is saying, and I could not have said it better.
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<< <i>When are you going to learn that just because you like and are ok with it, everyone else does not have to like or accept it? Enough.. >>
I have to disagree here. Unless you have your own site, or have access to a viable alternative, you have to accept it. Even by choosing to not sell (or buy, if that is the case) on ebay anymore because of the changes, you will have accepted the fact that ebay has the power to do what they want with their site.
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. - Rush >>
Excatly. As I have said 99% of the people who say they will stop using Ebay will be back in usually less than a month, it never fails. They usually only read what they want to read about the changes and do not see the full picture. Ebays new fixed price policy and double discounts is going to save me over 100.00 a month in fees and should increase my sales. >>
Leia, where do you get these "facts" from? That's just something you pulled from your backside, and you know it.
Poppa, folks have a right to complain. Only elitists with higher than thou attitudes can be above complaining when a system keeps on getting tinkered with, so that it affect some folks pocket books, huh? Give me a break, or better yet, keep on being a puppet for Ebay/Paypal. They like people who never question their system. It makes their wallets fatter..
Gumby, what I mean is that if enough people walk away, it hurts Ebay if enough jump on board. I can accept their communist like changes, and be a puppet, or I can walk. Many of us have cut way back after the first wave of changes due to feedback, and their revenue has been affected. The reports are out there as proof. If you want change, and you are fighting the "big man", you have to hit him where it hurts. The pocket $$. >>
No question about people having the right to complain, but how about complaining about something NEW!
My point was that it's not worth complaining about, because nothing's going to keep the rich from getting richer etc.
It kills me when the small guy feels like the big guy who made everything possible for him to make a living, gets his feathers ruffled each and every time the big guy figures out how to make more money.
Get a life.... quit complaining.... and use these boards for sports interests, like they were intended.
Let it go.... you are not doing any good by complaining .... this isn't a PTA meeting!
PoppaJ
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<< <i>I have been on the Ebay Power Sellers boards and other boards for years and everytime Ebay makes a change the same sellers over there say they are leaving.. blah,blah, blah.. They do stop selling, but a little checking within the first month nearly all are back to selling and when you ask about it "Oh I decided the changes were not so bad." Then the next change guess who the first is that starts cring the sky is falling and they are eventually right back there.
The only pocketbook the littleman is going to hurt fighting the big man is his own. >>
Tell that to some of the greatest Americans who ever lived, who fought the system and won. If we never stand for anything based on principles, then I guess a person will have to stand for nothing and be a puppet? It appears so, or at least history has shown such. >>
You act like we're fighting for freedom or civil rights!
Let the greatest Americans who ever lived RIP; I'm sure they're over it!
And there's nothing wrong with being a puppet!
I've made quite a bit of money being one of eBay's puppets and so have a few million others.
If you're not doing well to begin with, I guess I could see why you're upset with them taking a few more dollars from you.
Pinnochio (aka PoppaJ)
Instead of being an arrogant elitist jerk, you are the one who can get a life. Many of us sellers have a right to complain if we desire, when these changes affect us. Not all of us are rich, and every dime adds up. After the feedback changes, I decided to stop selling. I was not a big seller, but did average around $5000 per month, now I might sell 10% of that due to my decision to cut back. If you don't want to see or read about some of our issues with these changes, please find a new thread.
EDIT: To say I see you took the "get a life" line our of your comments to try and make them a bit less harsh.
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
Now if they raise their auction fees then I would be a bit upset.
To address your other comments, I have never made a living from Ebay. No need to, I have a good job that cares for my family just fine. Ebay used to be a fun way to sell off extra inventory, while adding stuff to my personal collection. Nothing more or less. Now, scammers are worse than ever, and Ebay just keeps tinkering with sellers. I will still buy stuff here and there, but Ebay selling for me is all but done after August.
Please don't group everyone else into your narrow-minded views about the boards.
My point is that you shouldn't get your feathers all ruffled, because nobody, including you, is going to change anything.
This is eBay, a mega-giant; not Parker's Drug Store. They're probably going to be around a long, long time (even after you quit selling there).
I'm not leaving the boards because I find most of the guys very entertaining and informative about sportscards etc.
Again.... keep it professional, nothing personal, and breathe!
PoppaJ
<< <i>Not all of us are rich, and every dime adds up. After the feedback changes, I decided to stop selling. I was not a big seller, but did average around $5000 per month, now I might sell 10% of that due to my decision to cut back. If you don't want to see or read about some of our issues with these changes, please find a new thread. >>
I think over $60,000 a year in ebay sales would make you more than an average seller. If you are not rich, but bring in a supplemental 60K from ebay every year....
<< <i>Just nevermind.. >>
That's exactly what I've been trying to tell you!
PoppaJ
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<< <i>Not all of us are rich, and every dime adds up. After the feedback changes, I decided to stop selling. I was not a big seller, but did average around $5000 per month, now I might sell 10% of that due to my decision to cut back. If you don't want to see or read about some of our issues with these changes, please find a new thread. >>
I think over $60,000 a year in ebay sales would make you more than an average seller. If you are not rich, but bring in a supplemental 60K from ebay every year.... >>
Allen, I'm not rich, but have worked hard for everything I have. I just know there are guys who sell/average a lot more than $5000 a month, so to me, I was a small fish in a big pond.
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<< <i>Just nevermind.. >>
That's exactly what I've been trying to tell you!
PoppaJ >>
Yeah, maybe take your own advice?
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<< <i>Not all of us are rich, and every dime adds up. After the feedback changes, I decided to stop selling. I was not a big seller, but did average around $5000 per month, now I might sell 10% of that due to my decision to cut back. If you don't want to see or read about some of our issues with these changes, please find a new thread. >>
I think over $60,000 a year in ebay sales would make you more than an average seller. If you are not rich, but bring in a supplemental 60K from ebay every year.... >>
Maybe $50,000 was spent on those cards making it only a $10,000 profit in a year also...
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<< <i>Not all of us are rich, and every dime adds up. After the feedback changes, I decided to stop selling. I was not a big seller, but did average around $5000 per month, now I might sell 10% of that due to my decision to cut back. If you don't want to see or read about some of our issues with these changes, please find a new thread. >>
I think over $60,000 a year in ebay sales would make you more than an average seller. If you are not rich, but bring in a supplemental 60K from ebay every year.... >>
Maybe $50,000 was spent on those cards making it only a $10,000 profit in a year also... >>
Dizzle,
Yes, everyone forgets not all sales are 100% profit. Good point.
And the double listing discounts for free shipping and the new fixed price item listing fee WILL save me around 100 a month on Ebay. Yes the FVFs will be a little more, but fees are part of life. You either adjust or you die.
Ebay is a corporation they don't anyone anything. Yes I am upset over the feedback thing, but from what I have seen there are several changes coming to that in the near future.
For everyperson who fought the big machine and won there are dozens more who lost.
<< <i>Lets see there are hundreds of thousands of transactions that go off on Ebay every day without a hitch we only hear about the negative ones. I have found maybe one buyer in 200 is really that bad. Some are a little more jumpier than others, but do not mean any harm and will usually end up being repeat customers if you let them. >>
Really? You just stated on another thread only 5 days ago, "I have 18 items unpaid that I can file UPIs on between tonight and tommorow night. The average feedback is 387. 3 are Power Sellers. This is getting out of control and Ebay does nothing. I know of one buyer who looking at his feedback got his 5th from me today, yet no suspension."
So, if you had 18 UPIs to file and you already stated "one buyer in 200 is really bad," then that means you must have sold 3600 (18 X 200) items in such a short amount of time? Wow, you are amazing! What is your eBay user id?
And they must be "really that bad" because you obviously thouth it was bad enough to start a thread about.
One of those late payers has become a bad buyer. She took 8 days to pay paid Saturday night and threw a fit because the item was not mailed until Monday.