Drills are terrible things when misused

BaronVonBaugh · August 13, 2008 6:54AM

If it wasn't for the "C" this would not be getting many bids.

abused

rgCoinGuy · August 13, 2008 6:57AM

"Cleaned, dented, holed, and tooled. Just a few issues. "

coinkid855 · August 13, 2008 6:58AM

<< "Cleaned, dented, holed, and tooled. Just a few issues. "

>>

At least he's honest.

-Paul

adamlaneus · August 13, 2008 7:01AM

Wham. Wham wham wham.

Ouch. Ouch ouch ouch.

BigE · August 13, 2008 7:04AM

"The coin pictured is the actual coin you will receive."
------------------------dang it------------------------------------------------------BigE

ricko · August 13, 2008 7:07AM

Wonder if LordM is bidding on it....

Cheers, RickO

coinsarefun · August 13, 2008 7:08AM

<<

Wham. Wham wham wham.

Ouch. Ouch ouch ouch. >>

I think I say see a tear

zeebob · August 13, 2008 7:21AM

Same seller, another holed coin.

fc · August 13, 2008 7:23AM

looks like a fake to me. the dentils should be touching the rim i thought. not so much space between them.

i cry fake!

zeebob · August 13, 2008 7:40AM

I just spent a some time looking at the seller's auctions. Seller has a bunch of coins for sale - almost all have multiple bids even with 4 days to close. I see several auctions where the same buyer is bidding on multiple auctions. Next I started looking at the bidding history and feedback for some of the bidders. Then I developed a rather unpleasant theory.

I personally think I would be reluctant to bid on these auctions.

I'm sure everything is on the up and up. I'm sure the seller is top shelf... But the little voices in my head whisper otherwise.

ksteelheader · August 13, 2008 7:45AM

<< I just spent a some time looking at the seller's auctions. Seller has a bunch of coins for sale - almost all have multiple bids even with 4 days to close. I see several auctions where the same buyer is bidding on multiple auctions. Next I started looking at the bidding history and feedback for some of the bidders. Then I developed a rather unpleasant theory.

I personally think I would be reluctant to bid on these auctions.

I'm sure everything is on the up and up. I'm sure the seller is top shelf... But the little voices in my head whisper otherwise. >>

The seller happens to be Russ!!

adamlaneus · August 13, 2008 7:50AM

<< The seller happens to be Russ!! >>

So?

Russ does not control who bids on auctions for items that are consigned with Russ.

Although I like Compucheap...

I dislike 'cliques' and 'inner circles' where members are considered capable of doing no wrong.

I'd rather treat all auctions, wares, and people with equal respect and caution.

ksteelheader · August 13, 2008 7:56AM

<< 

<< The seller happens to be Russ!! >>

So?

Russ does not control who bids on auctions for items that are consigned with Russ.

Although I like Compucheap...

I dislike 'cliques' and 'inner circles' where members are considered capable of doing no wrong.

I'd rather treat all auctions, wares, and people with equal respect and caution. >>

So, where is the clique and inner circle??

Manorcourtman · August 13, 2008 8:01AM

<< looks like a fake to me. the dentils should be touching the rim i thought. not so much space between them.

i cry fake! >>

Interesting.

Bochiman · August 13, 2008 8:05AM

<< 

<< The seller happens to be Russ!! >>

So?

Russ does not control who bids on auctions for items that are consigned with Russ.

Although I like Compucheap...

I dislike 'cliques' and 'inner circles' where members are considered capable of doing no wrong.

I'd rather treat all auctions, wares, and people with equal respect and caution. >>

You'll see a lot of the same people bidding on multiple items from Russ. Some are low bid cheapasses

who bid buy never really win.
Some are those that don't want to dork with unknown sellers and stay somewhat centered around a few sellers.

While I agree with your premise and caution, I would, and have, bid on Russ' auctions with a concern. Though....I am one of those cheapasses most of the time so I haven't won anything from him for a long time....heck, most of my snipes don't even get trigged

FredWeinberg · August 13, 2008 8:07AM

The coin is genuine, and
has the proper striking and
die characteristics for the
Charlotte Mint

fc · August 13, 2008 8:09AM

<< The coin is genuine, and
has the proper striking and
die characteristics for the
Charlotte Mint >>

i was just following up with side by side pics of one in a pcgs slab.
lets take a look.

pcgs graded
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the auction coin
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ksteelheader · August 13, 2008 8:10AM

<< The coin is genuine, and
has the proper striking and
die characteristics for the
Charlotte Mint >>

Thanks, Fred!!

JupitarCoins · August 13, 2008 8:12AM

<< 

<< I just spent a some time looking at the seller's auctions. Seller has a bunch of coins for sale - almost all have multiple bids even with 4 days to close. I see several auctions where the same buyer is bidding on multiple auctions. Next I started looking at the bidding history and feedback for some of the bidders. Then I developed a rather unpleasant theory.

I personally think I would be reluctant to bid on these auctions.

I'm sure everything is on the up and up. I'm sure the seller is top shelf... But the little voices in my head whisper otherwise. >>

The seller happens to be Russ!!

>>

So what, The coin is still a POS.

fc · August 13, 2008 8:13AM

others are correct. it is legit. i am seeing different tpgs slabbing coins
that have that same rim thing going on.

link to ha.com with an anacs example.. same sort of strike.

my mistake! just looked so odd to me at first.

Barndog · August 13, 2008 8:14AM

<< I just spent a some time looking at the seller's auctions. Seller has a bunch of coins for sale - almost all have multiple bids even with 4 days to close. I see several auctions where the same buyer is bidding on multiple auctions. Next I started looking at the bidding history and feedback for some of the bidders. Then I developed a rather unpleasant theory.

I personally think I would be reluctant to bid on these auctions.

I'm sure everything is on the up and up. I'm sure the seller is top shelf... But the little voices in my head whisper otherwise. >>

I suggest psychiatric counseling. You can't beat compucheap for honesty and customer service.

adamlaneus · August 13, 2008 8:14AM

Expose a clique?

That would be telling.

The inner circle will be preserved.

Those that need to know already know.

You are being watched.

ksteelheader · August 13, 2008 8:15AM

<< 

<< 

<< I just spent a some time looking at the seller's auctions. Seller has a bunch of coins for sale - almost all have multiple bids even with 4 days to close. I see several auctions where the same buyer is bidding on multiple auctions. Next I started looking at the bidding history and feedback for some of the bidders. Then I developed a rather unpleasant theory.

I personally think I would be reluctant to bid on these auctions.

I'm sure everything is on the up and up. I'm sure the seller is top shelf... But the little voices in my head whisper otherwise. >>

The seller happens to be Russ!!

>>

So what, The coin is still a POS. >>

fc · August 13, 2008 8:17AM

<< 

<< I just spent a some time looking at the seller's auctions. Seller has a bunch of coins for sale - almost all have multiple bids even with 4 days to close. I see several auctions where the same buyer is bidding on multiple auctions. Next I started looking at the bidding history and feedback for some of the bidders. Then I developed a rather unpleasant theory.

I personally think I would be reluctant to bid on these auctions.

I'm sure everything is on the up and up. I'm sure the seller is top shelf... But the little voices in my head whisper otherwise. >>

I suggest psychiatric counseling. You can't beat compucheap for honesty and customer service. >>

i can state something that i know goes on with forum members.
many of us here will see a coin being sold by a forum member and
put in a super lowball bid just to get things going. we think we have
no chance in heck of ever winning but if we did it would be an easy
score!

if i saw a russ auction i would not hesitate to throw in a low ball bid
knowing if i won, i would pay, i would get the coin, and russ (consingor) would
have lost money :-)

not really shilling. just a sort of, ohh i know who that is, let me throw
a bid in to get things going.. i don't think i would ever win it because
i know the market pays more for that piece.

-------

for example, some forum members will recognize my sales on ebay
when they are half eagles. their bids are less then melt! obviously
they would pay if won but they darn well know it aint going for their
price.

ksteelheader · August 13, 2008 8:30AM

<< 

<< 

<< I just spent a some time looking at the seller's auctions. Seller has a bunch of coins for sale - almost all have multiple bids even with 4 days to close. I see several auctions where the same buyer is bidding on multiple auctions. Next I started looking at the bidding history and feedback for some of the bidders. Then I developed a rather unpleasant theory.

I personally think I would be reluctant to bid on these auctions.

I'm sure everything is on the up and up. I'm sure the seller is top shelf... But the little voices in my head whisper otherwise. >>

I suggest psychiatric counseling. You can't beat compucheap for honesty and customer service. >>

i can state something that i know goes on with forum members.
many of us here will see a coin being sold by a forum member and
put in a super lowball bid just to get things going. we think we have
no chance in heck of ever winning but if we did it would be an easy
score!

if i saw a russ auction i would not hesitate to throw in a low ball bid
knowing if i won, i would pay, i would get the coin, and russ (consingor) would
have lost money :-)

not really shilling. just a sort of, ohh i know who that is, let me throw
a bid in to get things going.. i don't think i would ever win it because
i know the market pays more for that piece.

-------

for example, some forum members will recognize my sales on ebay
when they are half eagles. their bids are less then melt! obviously
they would pay if won but they darn well know it aint going for their
price. >>

When I bid on anybodys item, it's always the last bid.

Russ · August 13, 2008 8:34AM

<< So what, The coin is still a POS. >>

Gee, ya think?

Russ, NCNE

seatedcoins · August 13, 2008 8:34AM

<< You'll see a lot of the same people bidding on multiple items from Russ. Some are low bid cheapasses

who bid buy never really win.
Some are those that don't want to dork with unknown sellers and stay somewhat centered around a few sellers.

While I agree with your premise and caution, I would, and have, bid on Russ' auctions with a concern. Though....I am one of those cheapasses most of the time so I haven't won anything from him for a long time....heck, most of my snipes don't even get trigged

>>

When I have seated dimes up for sale I see the same guy putting in extremely lowball bids on these. He shows up once every two months and lowball bids on my seated dimes. His max bid being like $1.50.

PTVETTER · August 13, 2008 8:35AM

send it in to be reapired why not

tjkillian · August 13, 2008 8:41AM

I just realized I was no longer the high bidder. Some coins are cool even if they have a few 'minor' flaws. This coin is clearly one of them.

Please, let me win this coin. It is the last mint mark I need to have a complete set of 19th century mint marks.

zeebob · August 13, 2008 9:58AM

What I saw was a bunch of bids on auctions that I wouldn't normally expect to see bids on. I also saw a number of the same accounts "tossing in bids." It looked to me like shill bidding - or at the least something fishy. I mean no offense to the seller - who I do NOT know. You all can look at the auctions for yourself.

Look at the auctions and poke around at the feedback for the seller and bidders. Like I said, I was not certain that there was something fishy going on, but there were certainly something "interesting" going on. Mix of some pretty funky coins, coupled with lots of bids, but honest descriptions and good photos, what conclusions would you draw if you didn't know the seller? My conclusion was "BEWARE."

I feel assured from the comments that what I saw was not shill bidding, but either existing customers or friends honestly bidding or perhaps forum members "helping out" a friend. That sounds great. Given that I would have no problem bidding on the auction.

Regarding the advice for psychiatric counseling, I take in in the same humorous vane "little voices" was offered.

Cheers all,

Bob

THEONLYTBONE · August 13, 2008 10:00AM

Well I can say I'm one who bids on a lot of Russ's auctions, The guy is a consignor who gets alot of bullion in all the time "which is what I buy" BUT and I say BUT because a lot of Morons overpay for his stuff man, it sucks and I'm not going to OVERPAY for something I can buy right here in the BST or find right down the street............

I guess you can say I only bid on stuff from e-bay from people I know or have done bussiness with before and trust them that they will deliver what they say!

MAD4MORGANS · August 13, 2008 10:12AM

I only bid high enough on Compucheap's auctions to beat out TBONE.

There's a fair chance I'll never win one though because TBONE's a cheapass.

ksteelheader · August 13, 2008 10:14AM

<<

I only bid high enough on Compucheap's auctions to beat out TBONE.

There's a fair chance I'll never win one though because TBONE's a cheapass. >>

THEONLYTBONE · August 13, 2008 10:15AM

<<

I only bid high enough on Compucheap's auctions to beat out TBONE.

There's a fair chance I'll never win one though because TBONE's a cheapass. >>

LOL..............Dude, I'm not cheap but Ole' Russ gets alot of Mega bids on stuff, when I can drive down the street and buy it cheaper.............That is a NO Brainer IMO......

ksteelheader · August 13, 2008 10:16AM

<< 

<<

I only bid high enough on Compucheap's auctions to beat out TBONE.

There's a fair chance I'll never win one though because TBONE's a cheapass. >>

LOL..............Dude, I'm not cheap but Ole' Russ gets alot of Mega bids on stuff, when I can drive down the street and buy it cheaper.............That is a NO Brainer IMO......

>>

Cheap is as cheap does.

TorinoCobra71 · August 13, 2008 10:18AM

<< 

<<

I only bid high enough on Compucheap's auctions to beat out TBONE.

There's a fair chance I'll never win one though because TBONE's a cheapass. >>

>>

TBONE a CHEAPASS ??

lordmarcovan · August 13, 2008 10:25AM

Man, I want that holey Charlotte buck.

dthigpen · August 13, 2008 10:29AM

<< Man, I want that holey Charlotte buck.

>>

I think I have a spare holey C buck.

TorinoCobra71 · August 13, 2008 10:30AM

<< 

<< Man, I want that holey Charlotte buck.

>>

I think I have a spare holey C buck. >>

Thiggy, we miss you come visit us!

TC

lordmarcovan · August 13, 2008 10:36AM

This is the first Thigpen sighting I can remember for a while.

Thiggy, I would love to get your holey C-buck, but I am currently unemployed, so I would have to trade holeys for holeys. Another time, perhaps.

Russ · August 13, 2008 10:54AM

<< What I saw was a bunch of bids on auctions that I wouldn't normally expect to see bids on. I also saw a number of the same accounts "tossing in bids." It looked to me like shill bidding - or at the least something fishy. I mean no offense to the seller - who I do NOT know. You all can look at the auctions for yourself. >>

Anybody who does significant volume on eBay attracts regular lowballers who put in dinky bids hoping for a score. That's the nature of the venue.

Russ, NCNE

adamlaneus · August 13, 2008 10:59AM

It's not a

It's a

BaronVonBaugh · August 13, 2008 11:34AM

I knew who the seller is. I was just pointing out the poor mistreated coin. I'm sure it was mistreated long ago.

Hyperion · August 13, 2008 9:35PM

that's really a fantastic holed coin! except that those dam things are so tiny to start off with....

BBQnBLUES · August 14, 2008 12:20AM

<<

Wham. Wham wham wham.

Ouch. Ouch ouch ouch. >>

Ex-Wife revenge / Divorce settlement ?

RBinTex · August 14, 2008 12:30AM

ANACS: VF35 details, Cleaned, dented, holed, and tooled, net AG03.

Nothing amiss. Take it all at face value. Don't cast unwarranted dispersions.

AlixTCat · August 14, 2008 12:40AM

I like it. Maybe I'll bid. Pretty cool holey coin.

Cleaned? Maybe. Doesn't really look cleaned, now, does it?

Jonathan

adamlaneus · August 14, 2008 1:07AM

Which TPG will slab it with the title:

"Bent, tooled, holed, scratched, cleaned"

Is that ANACS? Probably just the old ANACS...

I've always wanted a slab that is filled with damage words.

relicsncoins · August 14, 2008 1:15AM

Some people put in low ball bids as a way of watching the coin. If the coin then gets bid up to a point above what they were willing to pay, they never bid again.

JJ

Drills are terrible things when misused

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