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Frankly, I can't Frank'n believe what I have
COINB0Y
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I'm scared, they all look just as good as these 3 out of the collection.
I aquired all 35 , the whole series!, yesterday afternoon.
I'm afraid to send them into PCGS because I don't think they will believe the coins.
I aquired all 35 , the whole series!, yesterday afternoon.
I'm afraid to send them into PCGS because I don't think they will believe the coins.
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<< <i>they're very nice coins, but they look ms64 to me. >>
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Soooo........Ya gotta a pic of the 53s.?
There was no description, just this scan. Under condition, they listed them as "circulated". They don't appear to have just been dipped when this scan was taken.
These are real nice, I like them, I want them in slabs.
I'm not a big fan of haze.
2-3 seconds in a 1/2 and 1/2 to really see if they were ever polished before I send them in?
Yeah, I'll do that, in a friggin second.
Hey Tyler1924S! How come you can and I can't?
Like I said Hypocracy.......
<< <i>I'm don't play the hyporcracy game that is played in the coin business, because I'm NOT in the coin business.
These are real nice, I like them, I want them in slabs.
I'm not a big fan of haze.
2-3 seconds in a 1/2 and 1/2 to really see if they were ever polished before I send them in?
Yeah, I'll do that, in a friggin second. >>
You got them at a very fair price, IMHO. They're nice looking coins. They're your coins. You should be able to do what you want with them. If you want to lightly dip them and then send them in to PCGS, go for it. On the other hand, if you expect to get a bunch of PCGS MS-65FBL's, don't get your hopes up too high. Good luck; let us know how they grade.
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<< <i>Thanks for the opinions! I'll log this one as a 64. I've checked it at 40x (as well enlarged some overexposed pics I didn't use) and there is none. The last time I had a toned one where I suspected wear, I dipped it. It was a '40 or '41, so no big deal.
Hey Tyler1924S! How come you can and I can't?
Like I said Hypocracy....... >>
The coin in that thread has not been dipped (nor will it ever be). The coin I dipped was an AU from the junk coin box.
<< <i>Please don't get self-rightous with me, its not worth it. >>
Why do you worry so much what others comment/think?
I don't understand why people post, seemingly looking for confirmation that they did good, and get all upset when others voice their opinions.
TomB is right....they look like tons of other lightly dipped franklins. Nothing really wrong with their look, imho, if that is what you like. If someone wants to get them graded, then others should STFU unless they are explicitly asked if they should be graded or not.
Let someone slab them for whatever reason they want...uniformity of the holders, registry sets, learning to grade a series, a mistake, etc. It is that person and their money and time.
Now, if someone ASKS "should I have this slabbed", then that is fine. Too many folks like to stick their noses in others' businesses and start denigrating them.
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<< <i>Thanks for the opinions! I'll log this one as a 64. I've checked it at 40x (as well enlarged some overexposed pics I didn't use) and there is none. The last time I had a toned one where I suspected wear, I dipped it. It was a '40 or '41, so no big deal.
Hey Tyler1924S! How come you can and I can't?
Like I said Hypocracy....... >>
I thought it was interesting how he left out the very next sentence...
<< <i>While I could probably take a piece of gauze and dab MS70 all over it to try and turn it into a lustrous 65, I'm not going down that road >>
<< <i>I'm not certain why you are afraid that PCGS would not believe the look of these coins since they appear to look similar to many thousands of other dipped Franklin halves that are sold either raw or in PCGS and NGC holders. The coins are certainly flashy, but the images do not make them look to be extremely high grade. In my opinion, the fees paid to PCGS in combination with the costs associated with acquisition might make any short term sale of the coins a limited winner. However, if you bought the pieces for the enjoyment of the series then they would look quite impressive in a Dansco or Whitman folder or a Capital Plastics holder. >>
heh. i get flamed to heck and back saying why do people bother
slab 20 dollar coins... tomb says it so politely.
Too many folks like to stick their noses in others' businesses and start denigrating them.
how about people start calling nonsense, "nonsense" and get others
to think their 20 raw coin IS COMPLETE without a slab. the brainwashing
of collectors thinking everything has to be slabbed and they like it
better that way has to end sometime. they learned this bad habit
they can unlearn it :-)
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<< <i>I'm not certain why you are afraid that PCGS would not believe the look of these coins since they appear to look similar to many thousands of other dipped Franklin halves that are sold either raw or in PCGS and NGC holders. The coins are certainly flashy, but the images do not make them look to be extremely high grade. In my opinion, the fees paid to PCGS in combination with the costs associated with acquisition might make any short term sale of the coins a limited winner. However, if you bought the pieces for the enjoyment of the series then they would look quite impressive in a Dansco or Whitman folder or a Capital Plastics holder. >>
heh. i get flamed to heck and back saying why do people bother
slab 20 dollar coins... tomb says it so politely.
Too many folks like to stick their noses in others' businesses and start denigrating them.
how about people start calling nonsense, "nonsense" and get others
to think their 20 raw coin IS COMPLETE without a slab. the brainwashing
of collectors thinking everything has to be slabbed and they like it
better that way has to end sometime. they learned this bad habit
they can unlearn it :-) >>
Because it ISN'T nonsense.....you don't know WHY someone wants something, so why should YOU decide FOR THEM?
Do you pay their bills? Is it YOUR money they are spending? I didn't think so.
You remind me of someone on a HOA......love to tell others how to live and what their house has to look like.
I guess if someone doesn't think the way you do, they are wrong, right? You and dorkkarl must have been separated at birth (well, maybe just a few years ago
Don't get me wrong, I don't slab everything, and aside from flipping some moderns, have only sent less than a dozen coins off for slabbing in 6 years (and I buy non-slabbed coins as well....like RHedden's large cents for my son
That's actually pretty rude, imho.
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<< <i>I'm not certain why you are afraid that PCGS would not believe the look of these coins since they appear to look similar to many thousands of other dipped Franklin halves that are sold either raw or in PCGS and NGC holders. The coins are certainly flashy, but the images do not make them look to be extremely high grade. In my opinion, the fees paid to PCGS in combination with the costs associated with acquisition might make any short term sale of the coins a limited winner. However, if you bought the pieces for the enjoyment of the series then they would look quite impressive in a Dansco or Whitman folder or a Capital Plastics holder. >>
heh. i get flamed to heck and back saying why do people bother
slab 20 dollar coins... tomb says it so politely.
Too many folks like to stick their noses in others' businesses and start denigrating them.
how about people start calling nonsense, "nonsense" and get others
to think their 20 raw coin IS COMPLETE without a slab. the brainwashing
of collectors thinking everything has to be slabbed and they like it
better that way has to end sometime. they learned this bad habit
they can unlearn it :-) >>
Because it ISN'T nonsense.....you don't know WHY someone wants something, so why should YOU decide FOR THEM?
Do you pay their bills? Is it YOUR money they are spending? I didn't think so.
You remind me of someone on a HOA......love to tell others how to live and what their house has to look like.
I guess if someone doesn't think the way you do, they are wrong, right? You and dorkkarl must have been separated at birth (well, maybe just a few years ago
Don't get me wrong, I don't slab everything, and aside from flipping some moderns, have only sent less than a dozen coins off for slabbing in 6 years (and I buy non-slabbed coins as well....like RHedden's large cents for my son
That's actually pretty rude, imho. >>
i am anti-slab when it comes to common inexpensive coins that can
be replaced on a whim. an album would be a much better presentation.
i am not telling him what to do. i am suggesting he rethinks his plan
to spend more money then the coins are worth in grading fees.
will he enjoy them more slabbed? i think that was learned from other
collectors during the slab mania over the last decade and can be unlearned
with a bit of critical thought about what actually makes a person happy.
the coin or the slab? if it is the plastic encased coin that brings the most
enjoyment more power to them! go for it.
but when people chuckle at why a 10 dollar coin is slabbed... i hope
they think about it..
<< <i>the coin or the slab? if it is the plastic encased coin that brings the most
enjoyment more power to them! go for it.
but when people chuckle at why a 10 dollar coin is slabbed... i hope
they think about it.. >>
I think the point is, why should folks chuckle at what someone wants to slab. The mere mention of it being funny, weird, questionable or stupid, is being judgemental. If you cannot post without being judgemental then why post at all.
If folks want to come on the boards and post their latest acquisition because they are proud of it or simply pleased with their perception of a bargain, why be judgemental against them? It serves no other purpose than presenting negative attitudes and opinions.
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<< <i>the coin or the slab? if it is the plastic encased coin that brings the most
enjoyment more power to them! go for it.
but when people chuckle at why a 10 dollar coin is slabbed... i hope
they think about it.. >>
I think the point is, why should folks chuckle at what someone wants to slab. The mere mention of it being funny, weird, questionable or stupid, is being judgemental. If you cannot post without being judgemental then why post at all.
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tis a free forum where one can post their opinion. i am judgemental
because many coin collectors are loony and they amuse me. i never
had a hobby that can compare with this one for the sheer amount
of silliness i see in it.
common coins in common grades. check.
talk of doctoring them up. check.
submitting them to a service for authentication and grading for more then they are worth. check.
etc...
like i said. so humorous!
<< <i>sheer amount of silliness >>
silliness or perceived speculation to make a buck?
Anyway the guy is happy with the coins so why knock him. Its his money which can be spent his way.
Ken
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<< <i>I'm don't play the hyporcracy game that is played in the coin business, because I'm NOT in the coin business.
These are real nice, I like them, I want them in slabs.
I'm not a big fan of haze.
2-3 seconds in a 1/2 and 1/2 to really see if they were ever polished before I send them in?
Yeah, I'll do that, in a friggin second. >>
COINBOY has raised some valid issues. At first, I was very closed minded about the whole dipping thing. I was all like "why are you dipping them", which (as I think about it now in hindsight) was very judgemental and self-righteous on my part.
However, after looking at the finished product, such as his 1950 (above), I'm beginning to question my initial skepticism. Maybe I'm not such a big fan of haze after all. Besides, don't I REALLY want to know if the coins have been polished? How am I going to do that without dipping them first (you know, to remove all the peripheral toning, patina and haze, and all that kind of crap, so I can really get a good look)?
Let the dipping commence, I'll start with this '51-D. All I can say is, I only hope my results are half as good as COINBOY's (and I'm very results oriented). I mean, really, they're outstanding. The graders will be blown away by the lustrous, shiny, "blast white" surfaces of those flashy coins. Taken in. Captivated. All those 63's will become 64's, and so on. They're so easily fooled. What a laugh they are.
Thank you, COINBOY, for raising my level of awareness and acceptance for dipping. Why not strip the surface of every one of those Franklins for no good reason, other than you think one out of 35 might -- Oops, I started to backslide. That was close. I almost stated an opinion. That could have been very judgemental, even divisive.
Anyway, I have alot of dipping to do... But first, I have to go and wash all the egg off my face, because you were able to find a thread where I dipped an AU Jefferson just before I spent it (as an example of my "hypocracy"). Really, as if that even begins to compare with you ruining-- Alright, almost lost it. Had to check myself.
Seriously, we are not really seeing the coins as they were when you purchased them. Maybe I was expecting something like "Oh, by the way, I'll post the rest of them as soon as I finish dipping them all and pretend this is the way they all looked when I got them"... Besides, all I did was ask you why you were dipping them. Why so bent out of shape? It's not like I said you couldn't dip them. It's not like fc or anyone else said you couldn't slab them. It's your choice.
PCGS sees coins like this every Frank'n day that have been dipped or not dipped,for that matter, so I don't understand why anybody would think they are going to be buzzing around in the grading room thinking these are great rarities.They might be buzzing about the easy money PCGS is going to be make by grading and slabbing these but that's about it.
What is the cost of slabbing? $1000? One could have 2 or 3 more sets of these for this kind of money.
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<< <i>I'm afraid to send them into PCGS because I don't think they will believe the coins. >>
WOW - dipped Franklins
I'll bet HRH will declare that he can now die happy because he has at last seen all there is to see. -Preussen
If you are wanting to turn a profit, place the coins in a Dansco Album and sell them on Ebay. The last Greysheet I have shows the bid for a BU set at $520.
In some cases, a coin's original skin isn't that appealing. In some cases, what happens after the coin is dipped is the real travesty especially when Dip #2 comes along. Each to his own. What I object to is any misrepresentation, on any coin.
Nobody ever asks whether a Plat has been dipped.
I knew it would happen.
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<< <i>sheer amount of silliness >>
silliness or perceived speculation to make a buck?
Anyway the guy is happy with the coins so why knock him. Its his money which can be spent his way.
Ken >>
i do not feel i "knocked" anyone. i stated my opinion on what i would do in his situation.
of course he is free to say i am the silly one and do exactly as he wishes.
dipped franklins
I am far from a coin expert nor do I live in the realm of a well respected (and cheap-ass ;> ) collector of the likes of fc.
That said, what fc does not take into account is that I can do the mathematics of a financial return on a cash investment just as well as he can, perhaps even better ;> I am amazed at the supposition by fc that everyone but him lives in some ‘financial vacuum’, void of the economic reality of TPG'ing on a collection. That’s funny, but that is not the subject of the original post.
I set out about a month ago to buy junk silver at melt. I’ve been doing that for a while. I stumbled across 35 really decent Frankie units that make up a series, ALL of these were found in one place, that at first blush, look not only uncirculated, I think most will grade higher than what I could find un-slabbed anywhere, in single purchases. I think the find is not only unique, it’s note worthy.
I'm not a big fan of haze, as I stated before. I am also NOT a big fan of polished coins, whizzed, or buffed hunks of metal; I do not want a coin that has not been "recognized" and left with a bunch of micro-hair lines, nor small pockets of dirt filled in a mint mark on an other wise pristine-looking unit. What I am comforted in is the knowledge that the process I did is TEMPORARY in that these coins, slabbed or not, will be re-hazed or toned after another 40-50 years have passed. I just wanted to make sure that before I spend money on TPGing, I wanted to make sure that these coins have not been rubbed or mechanically cleaned leaving hairlines.
TomB has a fantastic article on the subject on his website that I had not read until he made his kind post on this thread, last night. Folks, the wisdom in his article, “Original & Altered Surfaces Both Raw & Slabbed” is not only common sense, it speaks of what I consider to be honed experience and expertise of years spent in the coin business.
let me be frank ; from what i can see from your pix ; you will loose a nice chunk of change if you submit this junk .
You owe us a report once your dipped sliders come back from PCGS.
2.) Yes, I will report results.