Anyone know this person? $500 to "pre-grade" my cards...

fandango · August 2, 2008 11:31AM

never saw this before...has anyone tried this "service" for $500?
Pre-Grader

BobbyVCP · August 2, 2008 11:38AM

I don't know about his grading abilities but he is a seller that lists about 50 auctions a week. Mostly 80's and newer cards that are usually PSA 10's.

zep33 · August 2, 2008 11:43AM

He works for PSA, grades his own cards and sells them? hmmm

edit - maybe he doesn't work for them and I just read it wrong the first time

" I HAVE BEEN GRADING CARDS WITH PSA SINCE 1999, AND HAVE BEEN DEALING IN THE SPORTSCARD BUSINESS FOR 25+ YEARS"

AragornTheBold · August 2, 2008 11:50AM

Ya I always wondered if people who worked at PSA just graded all of their cards 10's. Surely there is an oath all of them most take when they apply for the job

swartz1 · August 2, 2008 11:51AM

yeah ...that sounds right ...an oath...

AragornTheBold · August 2, 2008 11:52AM

I was thinking something like the Boy Scouts of America do but that is just me

mmsportscards · August 2, 2008 11:55AM

he's graded cards with psa not for

good concept and would benifit alot of newbies, though id do it for a buck a card

storm888 · August 2, 2008 11:59AM

The service seems like it would/might have some value.

CDsNuts · August 2, 2008 12:03PM

The value is in weeding out cards that a newbie submitter would normally send that would come back in a grade that would not a premium to the card's value. Seems like it oculd work, but I can't see him saving you $500 in grading fees on only 250 cards.

rexvos · August 2, 2008 12:08PM

One of my friends does a lot with modern baseball prospect stuff. He has a buddy that gets to send it 1000s of cards at a time into Beckett and they charge him .50 card to look at every card and then slab every everything that is a 9.5 and above for $8 I think. Kind of a shady deal if you ask me. I know that it is a little off topic, but this thread reminded me of it.

fandango · August 2, 2008 12:10PM

<< One of my friends does a lot with modern baseball prospect stuff. He has a buddy that gets to send it 1000s of cards at a time into Beckett and they charge him .50 card to look at every card and then slab every everything that is a 9.5 and above for $8 I think. Kind of a shady deal if you ask me. I know that it is a little off topic, but this thread reminded me of it. >>

SAY WHAT????

swartz1 · August 2, 2008 12:24PM

Does that really surprise you?

rexvos · August 2, 2008 12:25PM

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SAY WHAT???? >>

I know. I was in CT last week, and I was driving to go out to eat with my buddy, and we were talking about PSA stuff. He said he would submit to PSA but he had this deal through this guy with Beckett. I was shocked. The guy he said is a real whale, but he did not tell me who he was.

fandango · August 2, 2008 12:26PM

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<< One of my friends does a lot with modern baseball prospect stuff. He has a buddy that gets to send it 1000s of cards at a time into Beckett and they charge him .50 card to look at every card and then slab every everything that is a 9.5 and above for $8 I think. Kind of a shady deal if you ask me. I know that it is a little off topic, but this thread reminded me of it. >>

SAY WHAT???? >>

I know. I was in CT last week, and I was driving to go out to eat with my buddy, and we were talking about PSA stuff. He said he would submit to PSA but he had this deal through this guy with Beckett. I was shocked. The guy he said is a real whale, but he did not tell me who he was. >>

hmmm very intersting.....Beckett Whale.....hmmm

StanTheManMusial · August 2, 2008 12:31PM

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SAY WHAT???? >>

I know. I was in CT last week, and I was driving to go out to eat with my buddy, and we were talking about PSA stuff. He said he would submit to PSA but he had this deal through this guy with Beckett. I was shocked. The guy he said is a real whale, but he did not tell me who he was. >>

And you don't think PSA and SGC offer deals for their "whales" too?

I know this is a PSA board, but let's keep it real.

rexvos · August 2, 2008 12:35PM

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SAY WHAT???? >>

I know. I was in CT last week, and I was driving to go out to eat with my buddy, and we were talking about PSA stuff. He said he would submit to PSA but he had this deal through this guy with Beckett. I was shocked. The guy he said is a real whale, but he did not tell me who he was. >>

And you don't think PSA and SGC offer deals for their "whales" too?

I know this is a PSA board, but let's keep it real. >>

maybe they do, maybe they don't, but now I know Beckett does.

StanTheManMusial · August 2, 2008 12:39PM

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SAY WHAT???? >>

I know. I was in CT last week, and I was driving to go out to eat with my buddy, and we were talking about PSA stuff. He said he would submit to PSA but he had this deal through this guy with Beckett. I was shocked. The guy he said is a real whale, but he did not tell me who he was. >>

And you don't think PSA and SGC offer deals for their "whales" too?

I know this is a PSA board, but let's keep it real. >>

maybe they do, maybe they don't, but now I know Beckett does. >>

Well, let me just clear the air, I know a guy who gets deals with PSA. I can't say for sure with SGC, but I have heard stories.

rexvos · August 2, 2008 12:39PM

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SAY WHAT???? >>

I know. I was in CT last week, and I was driving to go out to eat with my buddy, and we were talking about PSA stuff. He said he would submit to PSA but he had this deal through this guy with Beckett. I was shocked. The guy he said is a real whale, but he did not tell me who he was. >>

And you don't think PSA and SGC offer deals for their "whales" too?

I know this is a PSA board, but let's keep it real. >>

maybe they do, maybe they don't, but now I know Beckett does. >>

Well, let me just clear the air, I know a guy who gets deals with PSA. I can't say for sure with SGC, but I have heard stories. >>

I don't believe you.

swartz1 · August 2, 2008 12:45PM

storytime...

fkw · August 2, 2008 1:08PM

Only a dumbass would spend $2 ea. to have some clown look at there modern 1980+ cards.

So which one of you will do it ?

PS. Beckett Whale, thats a good one

StanTheManMusial · August 2, 2008 1:44PM

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SAY WHAT???? >>

I know. I was in CT last week, and I was driving to go out to eat with my buddy, and we were talking about PSA stuff. He said he would submit to PSA but he had this deal through this guy with Beckett. I was shocked. The guy he said is a real whale, but he did not tell me who he was. >>

And you don't think PSA and SGC offer deals for their "whales" too?

I know this is a PSA board, but let's keep it real. >>

maybe they do, maybe they don't, but now I know Beckett does. >>

Well, let me just clear the air, I know a guy who gets deals with PSA. I can't say for sure with SGC, but I have heard stories. >>

I don't believe you. >>

Well, let's clear the air, I believe your story is not 100% accurate, so no love loss.

I can verify a guy I have sold to sent a big sub of 52' Topps to PSA, and he got a break/deal on grading for sending such an order. If I recall it correctly, he negotiated the deal with Joe. If Joe Orlando reads this, I'm sure he knows the specific guy I am speaking of(Robert). He lives within driving distance of PSA, and took them direct to PSA and dropped them off.

Leiascards · August 2, 2008 3:58PM

GAI offers the same service you send the card in they charge you 5.00 to tell you what the card will grade and then they charge you another 5 if you elect to have the card slabbed.

As far as getting discounts I know of a couple of submitters to PSA that get real good deals. Based on what PSA told me when I called them about a 1000 card submission the rate is pretty good too.

jeffcbay · August 2, 2008 4:17PM

...and I'm sure this guy isn't swapping his "customer's" Gem possibilities with his own not-so-gem cards. This seller is a TooL for even offering this service. Anyone dumb/lazy enough to use this service probably too slow to realize it's a scam.

StanTheManMusial · August 2, 2008 4:27PM

<< GAI offers the same service you send the card in they charge you 5.00 to tell you what the card will grade and then they charge you another 5 if you elect to have the card slabbed.

As far as getting discounts I know of a couple of submitters to PSA that get real good deals. Based on what PSA told me when I called them about a 1000 card submission the rate is pretty good too. >>

Thank you for even further confirmation to what I was saying to rexvos.

VitoCo1972 · August 2, 2008 4:31PM

Yay, I love the bi-monthly BGS bashing thread!!! Just so you're all aware, each one of the Big 3 (PSA/BGS/SGC) as well as GAI offer the - send in tons of cards and we'll only slab and charge you when they meet the min grade. They do this for companies that have annual deals to submit a certain amount of cards/month. I am aware of this information from very reputable sources (dealers) who have had deals with all parties in the past. Let me ask you this - did you think 4SC was so good at pregrading their own cards that they've never been given a 6 on a card ever?! "Whales" like them (and they're just an example) have preset standards on cards that are stars/semistars/commons where any star is slabbable in 6 or better, semistars in 8 or better and commons in 9 or better. Not everyone has the same deals, but we all need to just accept this.

StanTheManMusial · August 2, 2008 4:34PM

<< Yay, I love the bi-monthly BGS bashing thread!!! Just so you're all aware, each one of the Big 3 (PSA/BGS/SGC) as well as GAI offer the - send in tons of cards and we'll only slab and charge you when they meet the min grade. They do this for companies that have annual deals to submit a certain amount of cards/month. I am aware of this information from very reputable sources (dealers) who have had deals with all parties in the past. Let me ask you this - did you think 4SC was so good at pregrading their own cards that they've never been given a 6 on a card ever?! "Whales" like them (and they're just an example) have preset standards on cards that are stars/semistars/commons where any star is slabbable in 6 or better, semistars in 8 or better and commons in 9 or better. Not everyone has the same deals, but we all need to just accept this. >>

Yeah, right on the money my man. That's just the way it is. It's not just a "BGS thing".

cardbender · August 2, 2008 6:43PM

<< never saw this before...has anyone tried this "service" for $500?
Pre-Grader >>

I can tell you first hand that this seller offering this service is a crook. He/they may be able to grade cards well, but they are very shady. I hope she reads these boards. I would be happy to discuss the details of a transaction I had with her/him a few years ago.

Their past ebay id name changes coincide with negatives they've received for screwing someone on a ebay deal. Go ahead, check their ebay id's, and review their negatives.

I say he/she because when they stole from me they used a woman's name and address and never had the balls to answer any mails or ebay dispute notes with a name.

edited for spelling

cardbender · August 2, 2008 7:01PM

"YOU WILL HAVE TO SEND ME YOUR BEST (250) CARDS"

Think they won't card switch on you? Think again.

"I HAVE MADE A VERY NICE LIVING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS BY GRADING, AND THAN SELLING MY PSA GRADED CARDS"

Substitute the words after 'by' with : 1) stealing cards from factory sealed Tiffany sets by busting into the bottom of the set box from unsuspecting sellers; 2)shipping said set back to seller within days; 3) then filing a paypal dispute calling item 'not as described' ; 4) win paypal dispute for full bid amount. Also you get to cherry pick the best cards from this set that will PSA 10 and get your money back from paypal on top of that. 5) change ebay id every 10-14 months after I've scammed some ebayers and committed postal fraud.

fandango · August 2, 2008 10:43PM

stan the man, there is no secret that big PSA submitters get a break ON PER CARD COST...it says it on the submission form! that is not a secret....

zippy · August 2, 2008 11:09PM

SCAM!!!
He conveniently failed to mention his NAME
If he's so great who the hell is he?
What is his phone # ??
Anyone using this service is going to be very sorry
SCAM!!

swartz1 · August 2, 2008 11:17PM

Yeah good points...

additionally...I am sure Joe is "fine" with this "service"

Leiascards · August 2, 2008 11:24PM

<< stan the man, there is no secret that big PSA submitters get a break ON PER CARD COST...it says it on the submission for! that is not a secret.... >>

I don't know why everyone thinks that is such a big secret as you said it says it right on the submission form. I think some people are just jealous they cannot afford to get those discounts

fandango · August 2, 2008 11:48PM

there is a bid difference between PRICE break and GRADE BREAK....i think stan missed that point

rexvos · August 3, 2008 12:03AM

<< there is a bid difference between PRICE break and GRADE BREAK....i think stan missed that point >>

exactly.

Leiascards · August 3, 2008 12:13AM

While considering the seller here I am sure there is a scam involved. If you were submitting your cards through a PSA dealer I am sure they would provide the same service for free. I know I would if I were one. I would tell a customer what I think they card will grade. This may be all he is doing is trying to get more cards so he can get a bigger discount, but given his history I seriously doubt it.

mmsportscards · August 3, 2008 12:36AM

just say his name lol or please pm me

swartz1 · August 3, 2008 12:39AM

Is it a Grade Break or the fact that they wont slab cards that fall under a certain grade?

dizzle · August 3, 2008 12:50AM

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exactly. >>

Do you 2 really not understand the concept here? As Vito pointed out PSA/SGC/GAI do this as well. It's called submitting with min. grade, You pay a small fee to have your cards reviewed then pay normal grading fees on ones that meet your minimum grade, Then these "whales" Like 4sc turn around and sell the stuff that does not meet min grade raw under different names like new england sports cards.

I already know fandango will be here shortly to run his mouth calling me a BGS troll and all the crud but as Stantheman said Let's keep it real here..

fandango · August 3, 2008 1:01AM

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exactly. >>

Do you 2 really not understand the concept here? As Vito pointed out PSA/SGC/GAI do this as well. It's called submitting with min. grade, You pay a small fee to have your cards reviewed then pay normal grading fees on ones that meet your minimum grade, Then these "whales" Like 4sc turn around and sell the stuff that does not meet min grade raw under different names like new england sports cards.

I already know fandango will be here shortly to run his mouth calling me a BGS troll and all the crud but as Stantheman said Let's keep it real here.. >>

you said it not me

Carew29 · August 3, 2008 1:51AM

I'll ignore the stupid comments and just leave this posting and move on.

Here is where this guys could get cease and desist order coming his way----------QUOTE--"I HAVE BEEN GRADING CARDS WITH PSA SINCE 1999"---It should have read--"I HAVE BEEN SENDING CARDS TO PSA SINCE 1999"

Sent this to Joe O. for gits and shiggles

drewsef · August 3, 2008 2:08AM

dizzle, your almost correct in everything you said, and so is vito. People like 4SC NEVER pay normal grading fees, and I would wager some serious coin they don't pay a review/reject fee for looking at cards that don't meet the minimum grade. They are much more likely to be setup to where they pay something like $3 for an 8, $4 in 9, and $6 in 10(that is unless the card is worth more than $100 or so.) The relationship obviously goes both ways, PSA is rewarded for finding the very highest grade a card can reside in a holder because they get paid more for doing so, and getting that six figure check in each month helps pay the bills. Obviously 4SC with higher graded cards gets more money at auction.

Leiascards · August 3, 2008 4:45AM

Its called business.. Like it or not it is done in nearly everything that takes place in our world on a daily basis. Some people just cannot stand the fact that others have to money to take advantage of the game.

StanTheManMusial · August 3, 2008 5:01AM

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exactly. >>

Do you 2 really not understand the concept here? As Vito pointed out PSA/SGC/GAI do this as well. It's called submitting with min. grade, You pay a small fee to have your cards reviewed then pay normal grading fees on ones that meet your minimum grade, Then these "whales" Like 4sc turn around and sell the stuff that does not meet min grade raw under different names like new england sports cards.

I already know fandango will be here shortly to run his mouth calling me a BGS troll and all the crud but as Stantheman said Let's keep it real here.. >>

Fandango and rexvos are such homers for PSA that they can't accept the fact of what really happens out there. Like I said before, I have no love for Beckett/BGS/BVG, as a matter of fact I can be accused of calling them out a time or 2 on some issues, but I will not set around and see them bashed for something, when PSA does the same things for customers.

Neither one of the grading companies are any different when it comes to this matter, and I never said it was a big secret. But.... rexvos acts as if BGS is doing something dirty, when in fact PSA does it too.

I can keep it real and show no bias for one company or the other. I will call it right down the middle, because I have no vested interest in either grading company. I have stuff from all of "the big 3" in my collection, and believe PSA, SGC, and Beckett each have their strong and weak points when it comes to certain areas of the grading market.

rexvos · August 3, 2008 5:28AM

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exactly. >>

Do you 2 really not understand the concept here? As Vito pointed out PSA/SGC/GAI do this as well. It's called submitting with min. grade, You pay a small fee to have your cards reviewed then pay normal grading fees on ones that meet your minimum grade, Then these "whales" Like 4sc turn around and sell the stuff that does not meet min grade raw under different names like new england sports cards.

I already know fandango will be here shortly to run his mouth calling me a BGS troll and all the crud but as Stantheman said Let's keep it real here.. >>

Fandango and rexvos are such homers for PSA that they can't accept the fact of what really happens out there. Like I said before, I have no love for Beckett/BGS/BVG, as a matter of fact I can be accused of calling them out a time or 2 on some issues, but I will not set around and see them bashed for something, when PSA does the same things for customers.

Neither one of the grading companies are any different when it comes to this matter, and I never said it was a big secret. But.... rexvos acts as if BGS is doing something dirty, when in fact PSA does it too.

I can keep it real and show no bias for one company or the other. I will call it right down the middle, because I have no vested interest in either grading company. I have stuff from all of "the big 3" in my collection, and believe PSA, SGC, and Beckett each have their strong and weak points when it comes to certain areas of the grading market. >>

I prefer PSA yes. I know that BGS controls the modern market. I am just commenting on something I heard from a reputable source. I am glad you know me so well as to make sure a judgement of my charachter. PSA may well do the same thing for 4 Sharp Corners, but I cannot verify it as fact like I can with Beckett. Also I said I did not believe you because it just seems like you made the comment on the coat tails of mine, not because it was an impossibility.

The main reason I do not like Beckett is personal preference. I hate the way their BVG holders look. (also there is the trimming issue that I do not want to get into) but PSA definitely has draw backs, but go ahead and believe what you will, it does not bother me one bit.

StanTheManMusial · August 3, 2008 5:42AM

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exactly. >>

Do you 2 really not understand the concept here? As Vito pointed out PSA/SGC/GAI do this as well. It's called submitting with min. grade, You pay a small fee to have your cards reviewed then pay normal grading fees on ones that meet your minimum grade, Then these "whales" Like 4sc turn around and sell the stuff that does not meet min grade raw under different names like new england sports cards.

I already know fandango will be here shortly to run his mouth calling me a BGS troll and all the crud but as Stantheman said Let's keep it real here.. >>

Fandango and rexvos are such homers for PSA that they can't accept the fact of what really happens out there. Like I said before, I have no love for Beckett/BGS/BVG, as a matter of fact I can be accused of calling them out a time or 2 on some issues, but I will not set around and see them bashed for something, when PSA does the same things for customers.

Neither one of the grading companies are any different when it comes to this matter, and I never said it was a big secret. But.... rexvos acts as if BGS is doing something dirty, when in fact PSA does it too.

I can keep it real and show no bias for one company or the other. I will call it right down the middle, because I have no vested interest in either grading company. I have stuff from all of "the big 3" in my collection, and believe PSA, SGC, and Beckett each have their strong and weak points when it comes to certain areas of the grading market. >>

I prefer PSA yes. I know that BGS controls the modern market. I am just commenting on something I heard from a reputable source. I am glad you know me so well as to make sure a judgement of my charachter. PSA may well do the same thing for 4 Sharp Corners, but I cannot verify it as fact like I can with Beckett. Also I said I did not believe you because it just seems like you made the comment on the coat tails of mine, not because it was an impossibility.

The main reason I do not like Beckett is personal preference. I hate the way their BVG holders look. (also there is the trimming issue that I do not want to get into) but PSA definitely has draw backs, but go ahead and believe what you will, it does not bother me one bit. >>

I told the truth that they all do such a thing, in response to your story, and others confirmed it. I don'thave the urge to make up comments on the coat tail of your stories. I have no need to do such. I tell the truth, and as I said, I call it down the middle. No bias either way for me, unlike your admission.

Funny we talk about judging character, when you basically called me a liar for telling the truth, and then you were proven to be the one who was wrong.

As for Beckett, they are the only grading party who have provided this hobby with a tamper proof grading holder to this point. Trimming? You don't think they all have gray areas on this issue? You might wanna go educate yourself on this subject.

I must say I admire the fact PSA does not grade sheet cut cards, unlike Beckett.

rexvos · August 3, 2008 5:47AM

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exactly. >>

Do you 2 really not understand the concept here? As Vito pointed out PSA/SGC/GAI do this as well. It's called submitting with min. grade, You pay a small fee to have your cards reviewed then pay normal grading fees on ones that meet your minimum grade, Then these "whales" Like 4sc turn around and sell the stuff that does not meet min grade raw under different names like new england sports cards.

I already know fandango will be here shortly to run his mouth calling me a BGS troll and all the crud but as Stantheman said Let's keep it real here.. >>

Fandango and rexvos are such homers for PSA that they can't accept the fact of what really happens out there. Like I said before, I have no love for Beckett/BGS/BVG, as a matter of fact I can be accused of calling them out a time or 2 on some issues, but I will not set around and see them bashed for something, when PSA does the same things for customers.

Neither one of the grading companies are any different when it comes to this matter, and I never said it was a big secret. But.... rexvos acts as if BGS is doing something dirty, when in fact PSA does it too.

I can keep it real and show no bias for one company or the other. I will call it right down the middle, because I have no vested interest in either grading company. I have stuff from all of "the big 3" in my collection, and believe PSA, SGC, and Beckett each have their strong and weak points when it comes to certain areas of the grading market. >>

I prefer PSA yes. I know that BGS controls the modern market. I am just commenting on something I heard from a reputable source. I am glad you know me so well as to make sure a judgement of my charachter. PSA may well do the same thing for 4 Sharp Corners, but I cannot verify it as fact like I can with Beckett. Also I said I did not believe you because it just seems like you made the comment on the coat tails of mine, not because it was an impossibility.

The main reason I do not like Beckett is personal preference. I hate the way their BVG holders look. (also there is the trimming issue that I do not want to get into) but PSA definitely has draw backs, but go ahead and believe what you will, it does not bother me one bit. >>

I told the truth that they all do such a thing, in response to your story, and others confirmed it. I don'thave the urge to make up comments on the coat tail of your stories. I have no need to do such. I tell the truth, and as I said, I call it down the middle. No bias either way for me, unlike your admission.

Funny we talk about judging character, when you basically called me a liar for telling the truth, and then you were proven to be the one who was wrong.

As for Beckett, they are the only grading party who have provided this hobby with a tamper proof grading holder to this point. Trimming? You don't think they all have gray areas on this issue? You might wanna go educate yourself on this subject.

I must say I admire the fact PSA does not grade sheet cut cards, unlike Beckett. >>

First of all your story was just about discounts, which Fandango pointed out is a clear policy.

2nd I am not saying that PSA does not have issues with trimming, I have just seen it much more prevelant with Beckett in my experience, if you have not then I guess you do not get out much.

I should have not called you a liar you are correct, I just did not believe your statement, and as it appears you were not lying, just comparing apples and oranges.

No hard feelings, I can see we disagree and I am ok with that.

dizzle · August 3, 2008 6:06AM

Anybody who thinks PSA is better at catching trim jobs really needs to wake up, go read the last few page of the 75 topps mini thread in the registery forum. For crying out loud a guy just sent back 34 cards from his registery to Joe Orlando Because he believed they were trimmed and PSA did a complete buyout cause all 34 were bad. And he has many more headed back to PSA

I Myself have cards from PSA/BGS/BVG/SGC If you check my last 100 sales on ebay 75 are PSA graded cards So I could care less who's deemed the king of grading. But some of the stuff I read on these boards is outrageous. It makes wonder sometimes.

rexvos · August 3, 2008 6:15AM

<< Anybody who thinks PSA is better at catching trim jobs really needs to wake up, go read the last few page of the 75 topps mini thread in the registery forum. For crying out loud a guy just sent back 34 cards from his registery to Joe Orlando Because he believed they were trimmed and PSA did a complete buyout cause all 34 were bad. And he has many more headed back to PSA

I Myself have cards from PSA/BGS/BVG/SGC If you check my last 100 sales on ebay 75 are PSA graded cards So I could care less who's deemed the king of grading. But some of the stuff I read on these boards is outrageous. It makes wonder sometimes. >>

Once again have I said anywhere that PSA is perfect? I have just had personal experience with trimmed cards in BVG/BGS holders, I have not had that issue tthat I know of with PSA.

dizzle · August 3, 2008 6:20AM

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<< Anybody who thinks PSA is better at catching trim jobs really needs to wake up, go read the last few page of the 75 topps mini thread in the registery forum. For crying out loud a guy just sent back 34 cards from his registery to Joe Orlando Because he believed they were trimmed and PSA did a complete buyout cause all 34 were bad. And he has many more headed back to PSA

I Myself have cards from PSA/BGS/BVG/SGC If you check my last 100 sales on ebay 75 are PSA graded cards So I could care less who's deemed the king of grading. But some of the stuff I read on these boards is outrageous. It makes wonder sometimes. >>

Once again have I said anywhere that PSA is perfect? I have just had personal experience with trimmed cards in BVG/BGS holders, I have not had that issue tthat I know of with PSA. >>

What's your experience? with trimmed cards.

rexvos · August 3, 2008 6:24AM

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<< Anybody who thinks PSA is better at catching trim jobs really needs to wake up, go read the last few page of the 75 topps mini thread in the registery forum. For crying out loud a guy just sent back 34 cards from his registery to Joe Orlando Because he believed they were trimmed and PSA did a complete buyout cause all 34 were bad. And he has many more headed back to PSA

I Myself have cards from PSA/BGS/BVG/SGC If you check my last 100 sales on ebay 75 are PSA graded cards So I could care less who's deemed the king of grading. But some of the stuff I read on these boards is outrageous. It makes wonder sometimes. >>

Once again have I said anywhere that PSA is perfect? I have just had personal experience with trimmed cards in BVG/BGS holders, I have not had that issue tthat I know of with PSA. >>

What's your experience? with trimmed cards. >>

newer card that I had in a BGS 9.5 holder that was purchased off eBay, Well it was serial numbered on the front. Was trading on a message board and a previous owner produced a scan of the same card in a BGS 8 holder which was noticeably larger.

StanTheManMusial · August 3, 2008 6:26AM

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<< Anybody who thinks PSA is better at catching trim jobs really needs to wake up, go read the last few page of the 75 topps mini thread in the registery forum. For crying out loud a guy just sent back 34 cards from his registery to Joe Orlando Because he believed they were trimmed and PSA did a complete buyout cause all 34 were bad. And he has many more headed back to PSA

I Myself have cards from PSA/BGS/BVG/SGC If you check my last 100 sales on ebay 75 are PSA graded cards So I could care less who's deemed the king of grading. But some of the stuff I read on these boards is outrageous. It makes wonder sometimes. >>

Once again have I said anywhere that PSA is perfect? I have just had personal experience with trimmed cards in BVG/BGS holders, I have not had that issue tthat I know of with PSA. >>

What's your experience? with trimmed cards. >>

newer card that I had in a BGS 9.5 holder that was purchased off eBay, Well it was serial numbered on the front. Was trading on a message board and a previous owner produced a scan of the same card in a BGS 8 holder which was noticeably larger. >>

Accusations have been laid out, so how about the scans, so we can judge for ourselves?

Anyone know this person? $500 to &quot;pre-grade&quot; my cards...

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Anyone know this person? $500 to "pre-grade" my cards...