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DrewUDrewU Posts: 199 ✭✭✭✭
Does anyone have any idea what this is or what might have caused it? If you can believe it I found it circulation a few years ago. Looks like a high grade AU coin and, the gunk on the back appears to be dirt that would probably come off with acetone.


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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭
    pressure/die distance test strike?

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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm assuming the coin is slightly concave? It would also help to know if it is underweight. If it is the right weight, it's conceivable the planchet could have been domed before the strike, then flattened out between the dies. It's more likely that you will find it is slightly light and that the missing design is from wear and was the result of post-mint damage.


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  • 66Tbird66Tbird Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭
    I can't take my eyes off the star on the obverse.
    Need something designed and 3D printed?
  • BarbercoinBarbercoin Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭
    Regardless how it happened, thanks for showing it. Interesting.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is interesting... I think I will wait for Fred Weinberg's opinion..... Looks like some mint, some post mint issues.... got me confused. Cheers, RickO
  • I can think of nothing in the minting process that would've caused that. Post mint.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,878 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a trial set-up strike when they install a new set of dies and are adjusting the die spacing.

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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Guys,

    Based on what I see, it's post-mint damage,
    and not a die adjustment strike, not a filled
    die, etc.

    The rev. design elements have been "buffed"
    off, it appears, and the center portion of the
    obv. is damaged, possibly at the same time
    as the buffing....

    It's not a mint error in my opinion, from what I see.

    Fred
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like a trial set-up strike when they install a new set of dies and are adjusting the die spacing. >>



    Would not a Die Trial strike have full rims?
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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Looks like a trial set-up strike when they install a new set of dies and are adjusting the die spacing. >>



    Would not a Die Trial strike have full rims? >>



    The rims would probably be full, especially if the coin was on a normal planchet that went through the upsetting mill. The reeding on the edge would be weak since the planchet would not expand as much under the lower pressure.

    The biggest reason the OP's coin can't be a low pressure or die adjustment strike is that the struck areas on either face do not line up. You can't have the elements around the rim fully struck on one side but missing completely on the other, unless maybe the planchet was shaped like a contact lens before it was struck.


    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    my own gut feeling is its as struck.
    seems easier to explain than what someone did or tryed to do
    to it to make it look that way.
    but the vague appearance of some pattern in the bust of george
    is a head-scratcher if nothing else
  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm with Fred on this one...post-Mint damage. I cannot think of a reasonable scenario leading to the lack of detail on the reverse (no rims!) and the abundance of detail on the obverse - except for the central portion which does not appear to represent an unstruck portion of the planchet.

    It would be interesting to have the weight and to examine it in hand.

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  • zennyzenny Posts: 1,547 ✭✭
    i

    LOVE

    when people disagree with Fred on these.....
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    i just cant see it being a slam-dunk in either direction based on the pics.
    theres probably more questions than answers i think.

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>i

    LOVE

    when people disagree with Fred on these..... >>



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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    I am by no means a professional error specialist but Mr. Weinberg is. He has seen more error coins in his career than probably a group of 50 of us have seen in our lifetimes so when he says its post mint, I have no doubt in my mind that it's post mint damage.

    The same goes for Seanq.

    These guys simply know their stuff!
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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    moto-tool madness...image
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  • errormavenerrormaven Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭
    I would have to agree with Fred as well. If it was a low-pressure strike, the weakness would be pretty equal on both faces. If it was a strike-thru, the design rim would ordinarily be well-developed on both faces. The downward-sloping perimeter on the reverse indicates the use of some polishing tool. The oddly textured surface on Washington's head indicates contact with a rough surface. The totality of the evidence strongly points to post-strike damage/alteration.
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