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Got grades... to borrow a phrase from the WSOP, it's a "donkey bloodbath"

seanqseanq Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
Modern order, grades posted in 28 calendar days:

1 1 11450780 38003 1971 1C US Scratch or Rim NickBN
1 2 11450781 82941 1971 1C Doubled Die Obverse US AU55BN
2 1 11450782 4077 1965 5C US MS64
3 1 11450783 4108 1982-P 5C US AU58
3 2 11450784 84108 1982-P 5C US MS64FS
3 3 11450785 84108 1982-P 5C US MS64FS
3 4 11450786 4108 1982-P 5C US MS65
3 5 11450787 84108 1982-P 5C US MS64FS
3 6 11450788 84108 1982-P 5C US MS64FS
4 1 11450789 84120 1988-P 5C US MS65FS
5 1 11450790 5135 1969 10C US MS65
6 1 11450791 95244 1968-S 10C US PR66DC
7 1 11450792 95247 1970-S 10C US PR67DC

"Donkey bloodbath" is a term I read describing the first two days of the Main Event at the World Series of Poker, it describes the carnage thousands of dead money amateurs pay their entry fee, sit down with big dreams, then bust out and sulk home. That describes this submission to a tee. I'm almost glad my membership expired, as it seems clear from these grades that I barely know what I'm doing.

If I'm lucky the one 1971 DDO that graded might make up for the rest of the submission. The 1982 nickels came from an original roll, here's a photo of one representative example. All I can think is they got nicked for subdued luster, because they are as clean and well struck as you're going to find for the date. Frankly, I expected at least one 66FS from the group, and surely a couple of 65FS's:

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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not a nickel guy, but on the photo posted, there is pretty good sized hit across the triangular portion of the building. I would think that alone would knock it down to 64.

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  • Also don't know beans about nickels but 64 may have been a generous grade what with the obverse rim nicks, misc obverse hits and as mentioned the big reverse hit.

    The grader probably liked the relatively clean fields.

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  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭
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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe I should have sent them to NTC, eh Frank? image

    I see what you guys see on the coin pictured above, it probably is rightly graded as a 64FS. However, of the six I sent in I know they didn't all have similar problems. I'll look them over again very carefully when they get back and see what I can learn. I really did look over all of the coins on the submission very carefully and very critically before submitting, there was a pile about twice as big as what I sent that I didn't feel made the cut. I don't like CENSORED away $14 a coin, I tried hard to make sure the coins were up to par and worth getting certified.


    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    Sean I hardly think you "don't know what you're doing" as much as I think that you suffer from "Ownership is worth a Point" syndrome.

    I've had some submissions where I had to scratch my head wondering what in the hell I was thinking (read 1972-S in MS65) and the bottom line was that I simply did not screen my submission with an "unbiased" eye. End of Story.

    I have boxes of coins ready for submission that will never go simply because I cannot justify submitting them, yet I still keep them set aside. I don't want to 2x2 them or put them in rolls because they have great eye appeal. However, from a technical standpoint, their grades just aren't there.

    Every now and then I'll go in and 2x2 some of them up knowing for sure that submitting them would be a waste. Others I just hang onto hoping for some type of justification which just never comes.

    Edited to Add: That 1982 you've pictured looks fine to me as I certainly would have submitted it.
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  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭
    Except for the doubled die cent, I would not have sent them in to anyone.
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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    Treat it as a learning experience. I know once I get a grade that I did not expect I'll take a deep dive into understanding why the grade was given and usually kick myself for not catching it the first time.
  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,860 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sean I hardly think you "don't know what you're doing" as much as I think that you suffer from "Ownership is worth a Point" syndrome.

    I've had some submissions where I had to scratch my head wondering what in the hell I was thinking (read 1972-S in MS65) and the bottom line was that I simply did not screen my submission with an "unbiased" eye. End of Story.

    I have boxes of coins ready for submission that will never go simply because I cannot justify submitting them, yet I still keep them set aside. I don't want to 2x2 them or put them in rolls because they have great eye appeal. However, from a technical standpoint, their grades just aren't there.

    Every now and then I'll go in and 2x2 some of them up knowing for sure that submitting them would be a waste. Others I just hang onto hoping for some type of justification which just never comes.

    Edited to Add: That 1982 you've pictured looks fine to me as I certainly would have submitted it. >>




    What he said two times over!! In looking at the one coin you posted I see the lg hit on the rev, and some stacking friction on the obv collar and lower cheekbone. I'd say the grade for this one at 64 is correct, but don't kick yourself too hard. Like Lee said I have a stack of Lincolns and state qtrs in flips that on the first go-through I was sure thay were MS69's all dayimage, but alas after looking at them 10+ times none seem slabworthy anymore.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is a learning process... do not feel bad, when you get them back, learn from them....lessons are rarely free... and the lessons learned best, are usually expensive. Cheers, RickO
  • jfoot13jfoot13 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭
    Put the worst one in your tuition box as a constant reminder you already paid for that lesson... years from now when you go through your box you'll always get a chuckle image
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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Put the worst one in your tuition box as a constant reminder you already paid for that lesson... years from now when you go through your box you'll always get a chuckle image >>



    Cool, now I have the concept for my "box of 20." image

    Some of my frustration is that I've submitted plenty of FS nickels before, and I kinda thought that tuition was already paid.


    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Put the worst one in your tuition box as a constant reminder you already paid for that lesson... years from now when you go through your box you'll always get a chuckle image >>



    Cool, now I have the concept for my "box of 20." image

    Some of my frustration is that I've submitted plenty of FS nickels before, and I kinda thought that tuition was already paid.


    Sean Reynolds >>



    Tuition already paid? Coins are a life long learning courseimage Move on and don't sweat it!! We all have those days every once in a while!

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