Brief update on the Langbord lawsuit over the 1933 Saints.
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Curiosity got the best of me so I did a quick check of the case docket this morning.
Nothing in the way of new filings in the case. However, a deadline of 7-3-2008 exists for the parties to the lawsuit to file their motions regarding expert witnesses and discovery regarding expert witnesses. 7-24-2008 is the deadline for the filing of papers opposing any motions filed on 7-3-2008.
Unless the 7-3-2008 and 7-24-2008 filing deadlines are postponed, I would expect that all sides to the lawsuit will file and oppose motions regarding experts. The papers filed in support and in opposition to these motions should contain lots of interesting and revealing information, including the identities of the experts, the areas and topics that the experts will testify about and possibly the basis of any attacks on the qualifications of the experts.
In late July or early August I will take a look at any motion papers that have been filed and will give a further update.
In general, as the case proceeds further into the discovery phase, into the expert discovery phase and into the post discovery, dispositive motion phase (i.e defense and/or plaintiff summary judgment motions) more and more court filings will be made that will contain substantial factual revelations and that will contain legal arguments in support of and in defense of the claims pending in the lawsuit. Further court rulings/orders on motions will provide some additional insight into how the trial judge views the claims and defenses pending in the case.
Assuming the case is not resolved via settlement or the granting of a summary judgment motion, the case will then proceed towards trial. A pretrial order may be issued which will supercede the pleadings and set forth a recitation of undisputed facts agreed upon by the parties, a description of what factual areas are disputed that will have to be the subject of evidence presentation at trial, a list of the names of trial witnesses, a list of documents and other tangible evidence [including the 10 1933 Saints] the parties will seek to introduce at trial and what claims and defenses will be allowed by the court to be part of the trial.
The lawyer part of me wants to see this case go to trial, just so I can see the justice system operate in this most interesting of coin related legal disputes.
Nothing in the way of new filings in the case. However, a deadline of 7-3-2008 exists for the parties to the lawsuit to file their motions regarding expert witnesses and discovery regarding expert witnesses. 7-24-2008 is the deadline for the filing of papers opposing any motions filed on 7-3-2008.
Unless the 7-3-2008 and 7-24-2008 filing deadlines are postponed, I would expect that all sides to the lawsuit will file and oppose motions regarding experts. The papers filed in support and in opposition to these motions should contain lots of interesting and revealing information, including the identities of the experts, the areas and topics that the experts will testify about and possibly the basis of any attacks on the qualifications of the experts.
In late July or early August I will take a look at any motion papers that have been filed and will give a further update.
In general, as the case proceeds further into the discovery phase, into the expert discovery phase and into the post discovery, dispositive motion phase (i.e defense and/or plaintiff summary judgment motions) more and more court filings will be made that will contain substantial factual revelations and that will contain legal arguments in support of and in defense of the claims pending in the lawsuit. Further court rulings/orders on motions will provide some additional insight into how the trial judge views the claims and defenses pending in the case.
Assuming the case is not resolved via settlement or the granting of a summary judgment motion, the case will then proceed towards trial. A pretrial order may be issued which will supercede the pleadings and set forth a recitation of undisputed facts agreed upon by the parties, a description of what factual areas are disputed that will have to be the subject of evidence presentation at trial, a list of the names of trial witnesses, a list of documents and other tangible evidence [including the 10 1933 Saints] the parties will seek to introduce at trial and what claims and defenses will be allowed by the court to be part of the trial.
The lawyer part of me wants to see this case go to trial, just so I can see the justice system operate in this most interesting of coin related legal disputes.
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Dan
Are the Mint's laywers paid for by tax dollars?
The Beatles
At the pace the case is going, it would not surprise me to see that it takes well into 2009 before it is completed at the trial court level.
<< <i>How many millions spent in laywer and court fees?
Are the Mint's laywers paid for by tax dollars? >>
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The family wants to keep the 10 1933 $20 Saints, and the SS/Slaughter House wants them back.
Our Government specializes in throwing away money, the one thing they're good at.
Is this to political Carol?
In front of which judge?
Joe
Thanks so much for the update. I think these updates and especially the analysis are a signficant benefit from frequenting this message board. So thanks again!
Keeping up with the lawsuit and providing summaries (which I try to put in everyday language, though some legalese gets tossed in) of what is happening is a fun thing for me to do. Relatively easy too.
You and i are paying for the governments side of this conflict.
Strike a deal, sell the coins and get over it. Of course the other owner of the 1933 with have to get some money for his loss and suffering
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
"Illegal Tender, Gold, Greed and the Mystery of the Lost 1933 Double Eagle" By David Tripp, ISBN 978-0743245746
There are conjectured to be other 1933 $20's out there, but the owners keep them under wraps.
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
<< <i>For an interesting background, prior to the discovery of these ten coins read:
"Illegal Tender, Gold, Greed and the Mystery of the Lost 1933 Double Eagle" By David Tripp, ISBN 978-0743245746
There are conjectured to be other 1933 $20's out there, but the owners keep them under wraps. >>
Illegal Tender is a fairly intresting book, which gives some history in a enjoyable story.
As far as courtroom stuff being "sexy", well I do not know about that. Some court reporters are cute. For the most part judges, bailiffs, clerks and trial lawyers are not [with some exceptions however]. Further, courtroom portrayals of jury trials are, for the most part, lacking in reality. It is a lot of work, very stressful and takes a thick skin, a warrior mentality, knowedge of the subject matter and an ability to interact well with people while keeping track of multiple things going on around you.
I have been practicing law for 26 years now. I have handled numerous of court trials, but it was not until March and April of this year that I handled my first jury trial. That was a very interesting, eye opening experience. Luckily for me and my client I won the case. Being 1-0 makes me think I want to do another one (I have a case that just might go to jury trial next March and it does have some appeal to the general public since it deals with a real estate sales agent scamming a property owner in foreclosure [my client] out of her home resulting in her losing about $250,000.00 in home equity).
I think it would be extremely interesting and professional rewarding to work as one of the attorneys in the Langbord suit over the 10 1933 Saints.
I suppose progress will be slow until it goes to trial. It's hard to imagine it not going to trial unless it's decided for the Langbords which just seems improbable.
At last we have found out who Longacre really is......He's Don Fanucci (played by Gastone Moschin in the Godfather II)
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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