Jefferson nickel, full steps or not?
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Full steps or not?
Leo
Leo
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i vote huh uh (no)..
Dan
Not even close.
Sorry..................
Not
Please elaborate!
No, I agree with you guys. Is it the nick on steps 4 and 5 beneath the 3rd pillar?
Yeah, I think so!
Leo
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I think you know the answer.
<< <i>No, it's the bridge to the right of that. >>
The nick is OK with you?
Leo
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<< <i>No, it's the bridge to the right of that. >>
The nick is OK with you?
Leo >>
Can't tell for sure, but likely not. That's why I went with the bridge.
BTW, if it is a '39-S then a full step Rev of 38 would be a major score.
Sean Reynolds
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<< <i>It's either a 1938-S or a 1939-S with the steps of 1938, either way it can be very hard to determine "full steps" since on that reverse the term "full" is a relative term. I see the area under the third pillar between steps 4 and 5 which in the photo would seem to preclude a FS designation. However, the Type 1 (Steps of 1938) coins really need to be examined in the hand before you can make any sort of declarative opinion.
BTW, if it is a '39-S then a full step Rev of 38 would be a major score.
Sean Reynolds >>
Looks like a Rev 39 to me.
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<< <i>It's either a 1938-S or a 1939-S with the steps of 1938, either way it can be very hard to determine "full steps" since on that reverse the term "full" is a relative term. I see the area under the third pillar between steps 4 and 5 which in the photo would seem to preclude a FS designation. However, the Type 1 (Steps of 1938) coins really need to be examined in the hand before you can make any sort of declarative opinion.
BTW, if it is a '39-S then a full step Rev of 38 would be a major score.
Sean Reynolds >>
Below the 3rd pillar looks a little soft from the picture and the nick doesn't help it.
The real question is... what's the obverse look like?
Steve
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you have a killer eye, which makes me wonder why you are asking this to begin with
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<< <i>It's either a 1938-S or a 1939-S with the steps of 1938, either way it can be very hard to determine "full steps" since on that reverse the term "full" is a relative term. I see the area under the third pillar between steps 4 and 5 which in the photo would seem to preclude a FS designation. However, the Type 1 (Steps of 1938) coins really need to be examined in the hand before you can make any sort of declarative opinion.
BTW, if it is a '39-S then a full step Rev of 38 would be a major score.
Sean Reynolds >>
Quite true but from where I'm sitting, that's a hefty little nick on the steps. And since many others here have spent thousands trying to get their coins designated yet disqualified for flaws less then that, how do we eliminate all those coins that shouldn't have qualified but yet they continue to jump registry sets with the premonition that since PCGS says so then it must be true.
So here's the thread killer, this is a Heritage photo from 2004. There's another picture but you'll need to do your homework. In that new pic the nick can't be seen, IMO, the coin should had been sent back for a review. But the drawback to that is losing money.
It's just not this coin, there are quite a few jumping registry sets that are overgraded technically. Whether it's been misdesignated or understruck, show die erosion and/or have a bit too many nicks in the focal areas of the cheek and or fields, they have received grades 3-4 years back that just don't qualify by today's strict grading standards.
Well, thanks everyone for your opinions, you can go back to reading other threads.
Leo
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so is the coin a 1938 or a 1939???
Perhaps lot 503 in a current auction? Call me Thursday afternoon and I will tell you if it has full stpes after I examine the coin in person.
Frank
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It is lot 503, the problem is... the current picture of the coin from the auction doesn't help.
Actually, the picture you refer to is from 2006, not 2004.
The only question is, with the steps on the 38 - 39 Type 1's, will the pictures even come close to the actual look of the steps?
Can't wait to hear from Frank on this one.
Steve
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<< <i>Full steps or not?
Leo >>
Leo - as far as steps goes, your coin falls in the "close but no cigar" catagory, and from looking at it here is my reason - the steps on the right side are weak. Nice coin otherwise!
Here is a 1938S PCGS MS65 FS.
The 1938 appears to have weak steps.
If it's a PCGS it must be correct? Right?
<< <i>I have struggled with this one too for quite a while...
Here is a 1938S PCGS MS65 FS.
The 1938 appears to have weak steps.
If it's a PCGS it must be correct? Right? >>
Here's a thread that gives a good definition on the Reverse of 1938 steps. Taken from Bern Nagengast's book, "The Jefferson Nickel Analyst".
Depending on how many "reverse of 38" steps you have seen will give you your best answer.
Leo
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Great link and pictures. Thanks Much