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GRADES IN: 86 fleer bkb rip....purchased at a card show today

ldfergldferg Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭
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very small card show in a local mall today. one guy had lots of vintage and 3 unopened packs (1 - 86 fleer bkb, 1 - 79 cello with ozzie showing, 1 - three stooges). i had been talking to him off and on for the past couple of days. we talked about the history of the 86 fleer pack and how this was the last pack, blah, blah, blah and how an old lady purchased 18 and pulled 3 jordans. i was definitely skeptical of the pack.

i slept on it last night and when i showed up today it was still there. we talked some more and i ended up pulling the trigger after talking him down on the price. another guy was at his table and he asked if i was going to open the pack because he'd never see anyone open one before. needless to say "I PULLED A JORDAN" and was shaking so hard i could not put it in the holder...i was able to get it into a penny sleeve and then i handed it to the guy next to me to put in the card saver. the guys around me (including my 12 year old son) were ecstatic. it definitely brought the spirits up of the guys who were having a slow day...it was a first for many of us.

i will post a scan in a few. i was so excited, just wanted to share the news when i came in. btw, my wife was very happy as well. image


Thanks,

David (LD_Ferg)



1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,568 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ATTA BOY!
    Mike
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  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    Splendid!
  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭
    good for you - nice story!!

    Now lets see it!!!


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  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
    Let me be the first pessimist. How do you know they were not resealed packs with fake Jordan's inserted?
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭
    i'm eating grilled cheese with a laptop in front of me..haha. scan coming in a few.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • brianwintersfanbrianwintersfan Posts: 3,626 ✭✭
    That's some sweet action!

    image
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    transcendently and impressively sublime
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  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,568 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just made a grilled ham & cheese (with Cape Cod chips and a Canada Dry). Mmmmmmm - peer pressure.
    Mike
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  • crbattcrbatt Posts: 82
    Awesome! Nice pull.
  • GonblottGonblott Posts: 1,951 ✭✭
    Post a scan! =P
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭
    here's the pack sequence:

    sticker card - isiah thomas

    126 - kevin willis
    59 - albert king
    125 - herb williams
    58 - clark kellogg
    124 - gus williams
    57 - MICHAEL JORDAN
    123 - buck williams
    56 - vinnie johnson
    122 - gerald wilkins
    77 - chris mullin - card was turned upside and new sequence started
    11 - rolando blackman
    76 - johnny moore

    i'll post scans of them all. looks like i could have been on my way to a dominique as well until the resequencing. the centering on these are all great, i've definitely seen worse.....i am so pumped.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭
    here you go....what do you think? my scanner software is not the best.



    image


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,568 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image
    Mike
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  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
    I would say a 9 if the slight OC L/R doesnt get you and the bottom left corner isnt dinged.
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭
    no dings on any of the cards....scanning the remainder of the pack now.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



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  • mealewormmealeworm Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭
    image very nice. 9 ???
    image
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  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭
    i would be happy with an 8 but a 9 would even be better. centering was great throughout the pack. i don't think any would garner a qualifier for centering.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭
    image
  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    my friend, you should buy a scratch ticket with your luck image
  • crbattcrbatt Posts: 82
    Wow. She's a beaut.
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭
    boba,
    what is funny is that one of the dealers came up and said "can i touch you?"...lol


    i did win a WII at the conference i attended last week...maybe someone above is watching out for me. i should buy a lottery ticket.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭
    here are scans from the entire pack. i hope you can make heads/tails out of them. the software i'm using will not go higher than 300dpi.

    the blackman is one of the best centered i've ever seen.

    image
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    image
    image
    image
    image


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • mmyncmmync Posts: 678 ✭
    What kind of response did the dealer have that you bought it from? He's probably kicking himself right now, but it will probably generate a lot more business for him. (Assuming he's not at home busting all the rest of his unopened stuff)
  • StanTheManMusialStanTheManMusial Posts: 2,053 ✭
    Congrats, that is a heck of a pull. I would be thrilled, too!

    On a side note, is that a red print dot above and to the left of his head? I am speaking of the area between his face and arm that is holding the ball?
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    Amazing pack. Looks like you should 9 on the Jordan, Herb, Gus, Buck, Willis, and Isiah sticker. If you can squeeze a 10 out of Blackman that's a $350 card. Short of pulling a Jordan 10, I can't imagine a better pack.
  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    "the blackman is one of the best centered i've ever seen."

    which black man? you pulled quite a few in that pack....

    (sorry I'm having a curb your enthusiasm moment lol)
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    Stan, that's part of the card. Probably a guy in the background wearing a red shirt.
  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭
    Calling stevek...
  • StanTheManMusialStanTheManMusial Posts: 2,053 ✭


    << <i>Stan, that's part of the card. Probably a guy in the background wearing a red shirt. >>



    I know there is a red/pink shirt in the background, but it looks like a print dot over that. Look very closely. image
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    "Do we even have proof that the OP bought an unopened pack? I don't mean to play devil's advocate, but I think it's probable that the OP is an unopened pack seller himself and is trying to generate a buzz for 86-87 Fleer packs, of which he has a box of searched and resealed packs at home. Once demand is sufficiently created, he will undoubtedly hock his illegitimate wares to the unsuspecting members of these boards.

    You all are naive if you believe that there are unsearched 86-87 Fleer packs out there. Busting wax is a sucker's game that always ends up in the ripper wasting his money.

    Go 1st place Phillies!

    stevek"



    How'd I do?
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭
    the dealers son was as excited as i was. he kept saying he'd never seen one pulled. i told him i was glad to be the first.

    the dealer himself was an older guy, retired from the military and seemed to happy for me. i wrote a check for the pack and he said if the check bounced i had to return the pack. i think this one pull made all of the remaining dealers glad they hung around. the guy next to me could not believe i was going to open the pack and when i did he started freaking out and yelling "he pulled it, he pulled it" and then the other dealers started coming around to look at it. it was so funny to see me shaking so much. after i was able to put it in the penny sleeve i gave it to the yelling guy to put it in the card saver. my son said "i didn't know that was his rookie".....and then we left, i took him to all-star practice and i went back to the mall to talk to the dealers as they packed the remaining stuff and left. it was a great time.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"Do we even have proof that the OP bought an unopened pack? I don't mean to play devil's advocate, but I think it's probable that the OP is an unopened pack seller himself and is trying to generate a buzz for 86-87 Fleer packs, of which he has a box of searched and resealed packs at home. Once demand is sufficiently created, he will undoubtedly hock his illegitimate wares to the unsuspecting members of these boards.

    You all are naive if you believe that there are unsearched 86-87 Fleer packs out there. Busting wax is a sucker's game that always ends up in the ripper wasting his money.

    Go 1st place Phillies!

    stevek"



    How'd I do? >>



    image

    Well done! If you had thrown in a jab at online poker, it would've been epic.
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭
    lee,
    you got me...crap, i'm busted.

    i was offered an 86 fleer empty box but did not take it...and i do have 9 - 86 fleer wrappers (all with a .40 price tag).

    this pull did start some stories of "i remember when these boxes were $12 each, etc...."


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭
    boba,
    rotflmao...


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • StanTheManMusialStanTheManMusial Posts: 2,053 ✭
    CDnuts, see the difference? Outside of that print dot, I say he has a nice shot at an 8. Either way, a great pull, and a nicely centered pack of 86' Fleer.

    imageimage

  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭
    wow! what a difference a scan makes.

    stan, yours looks great.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    Even if there is a red print dot over the guy's red shirt, it wouldn't be noticeable enough to keep the card from a 9.
  • GatorGator Posts: 210 ✭
    Awesome!image
  • StanTheManMusialStanTheManMusial Posts: 2,053 ✭


    << <i>Even if there is a red print dot over the guy's red shirt, it wouldn't be noticeable enough to keep the card from a 9. >>



    There is no "if" about it, Lee, there is a print dot. From my experiences, this is what keep alot of great looking Jordans in 8 holders, instead of 9 holders.

  • AhmanfanAhmanfan Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭✭
    Nice Jordan!!!
    How much for 122, 11, 123? and the willis and mullin if your wanting do get rid of those they would probably be upgrades for me.
    John
    Collecting
    HOF SIGNED FOOTBALL RCS
  • StanTheManMusialStanTheManMusial Posts: 2,053 ✭


    << <i>wow! what a difference a scan makes.

    stan, yours looks great. >>



    Hi David,

    Congrats, once again. A great day for you and your son. I am happy for you guys.

    The scan I posted is not mine, just a borrowed scan from Ebay to show Lee what I was talking about. My Jordan is in custody of the bank, so I could not scan mine as a reference. image
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭
    john,
    i'll probably send in the entire pack to be graded. i'll revise this thread if i do.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    My Jordan is in custody of the bank

    It's always tough when the bank forecloses on a Jordan rookie.
  • StanTheManMusialStanTheManMusial Posts: 2,053 ✭


    << <i>My Jordan is in custody of the bank

    It's always tough when the bank forecloses on a Jordan rookie. >>



    Safety deposit box. image
  • dizzledizzle Posts: 1,051 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Even if there is a red print dot over the guy's red shirt, it wouldn't be noticeable enough to keep the card from a 9. >>



    There is no "if" about it, Lee, there is a print dot. From my experiences, this is what keep alot of great looking Jordans in 8 holders, instead of 9 holders. >>




    I say a shot a 9 despite a print dot which I'm not seeing anyway..Awsome card and pack!

    Besides if this could get a 9 with this huge old blob the Jordan has a great shot.
    image
  • StanTheManMusialStanTheManMusial Posts: 2,053 ✭
    That Clemens should have never graded a 9 with that print dot.
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭
    omg, yes if that clemens got a 9, maybe i'm home free...lol


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That Clemens should have never graded a 9 with that print dot. >>



    That's not a print dot. It's an abscess that formed where they injected steroids into the card.
  • StanTheManMusialStanTheManMusial Posts: 2,053 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>That Clemens should have never graded a 9 with that print dot. >>



    That's not a print dot. It's an abscess that formed where they injected steroids into the card. >>



    With Clemens, I don't doubt anything anymore.
  • dizzledizzle Posts: 1,051 ✭✭


    << <i>That Clemens should have never graded a 9 with that print dot. >>



    Which one the one above his head to the left or the one on his neck?
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