America of roman decent?
thestig
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What civilization do we symbolize on American coins, or currency and why?
Do we take anything from the Egyptians civilization, and use them on modern day American coins, or currency Why?
what other Civilization do we copy for our designs, and symbolize, why?
Do we take anything from the Egyptians civilization, and use them on modern day American coins, or currency Why?
what other Civilization do we copy for our designs, and symbolize, why?
Humblepie
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
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I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
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However, the concept of Liberty can be most closely associated with Enlightened philosophe John Locke.
E Pluribus Unum draws from Latin... ancient times.
Here's a Roman, eerily similar to the Lincoln memorial design
The bust of the reigning emperor was often stamped on Roman coinage we often use the bust of our deceased heroes.
We use classic symbols of western civilization because we’re a Western Culture, Rome epitomized Western Culture.
Egypt greatly influenced early western civilization (and still does), so that we have some symbolism in common isn't surprising.
Pyramid on dollar comes to mind, the all seeing eye, I'm sure there is a ton more.
There are definitely many similarities between the coinage of most western countries and that of Rome, but after all “There is nothing new under the sun“
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<< <i>Roman, but eerily similar to the Lincoln memorial design
Interesting, its very similar to the ones found on mars. Finding evidence of our real ancestors is cool.
Would you be freaked out if we were decedents from mars, and all our coins had symbolize them in some way over the past 5000 years?
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
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<< <i>Roman, but eerily similar to the Lincoln memorial design
Interesting, its very similar to the ones found on mars. Finding evidence of our real ancestors is cool.
Would you be freaked out if we were decedents from mars, and all our coins had symbolize them in some way over the past 5000 years? >>
OK, I'll bite- the ones found on Mars? Care to elaborate?
<< <i>This is pretty much a copy of my reply to a similar post on the darkside.
The bust of the reigning emperor was often stamped on Roman coinage we often use the bust of our deceased heroes.
We use classic symbols of western civilization because we’re a Western Culture, Rome epitomized Western Culture.
Egypt greatly influenced early western civilization (and still does), so that we have some symbolism in common isn't surprising.
Pyramid on dollar comes to mind, the all seeing eye, I'm sure there is a ton more.
There are definitely many similarities between the coinage of most western countries and that of Rome, but after all “There is nothing new under the sun“
Cool, that symbolizing is what im interested in understanding. you said there are a ton more, what about this monument (obelisk).
Did this originate from ancient Egypt? Yes it did.
Statues of various gods were set up on the spina, and Augustus erected an Egyptian obelisk on it as well. At either end of the spina was a turning post, the meta, around which chariots made dangerous turns at speed. One end of the track extended further back than the other, to allow the chariots to line up to begin the race. Here there were starting gates, or carceres, which staggered the chariots so that each travelled the same distance to the first turn.
Very little now remains of the Circus, except for the now grass-covered racing track and the spina. Some of the starting gates remain, but most of the seating has disappeared, the materials no doubt employed for building other structures in medieval Rome.
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
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<< <i>Roman, but eerily similar to the Lincoln memorial design
Interesting, its very similar to the ones found on mars. Finding evidence of our real ancestors is cool.
Would you be freaked out if we were decedents from mars, and all our coins had symbolize them in some way over the past 5000 years? >>
OK, I'll bite- the ones found on Mars? Care to elaborate? >>
Well there is this photo taken by the mars rover, it has some shapes in the background that have been airbrushed out, but you can still see the structures, and the statue on top. download the picture below then zoom in to the left. link and description.
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
This photo shows 2 alien like heads, but what is even more fascinating to me is the 2 head dresses that appear to be on top of these heads.
Like ancient Egyptian depicts on there hieroglyphics.
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
English: Quo Modo Deum - alchemical woodcut (17th Century?)
Woodcut from a book on alchemy showing an "Eye in the Sky" precursor to the Eye of Providence. Quo Modo Deum translates as
'This is the way of God'.
An all-seeing eye that appears on the pedestal decorations of Alexander Column
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
<< <i>I would like to see if there are anymore similarity's to coinage, and our ancestors.
This photo shows 2 alien like heads, but what is even more fascinating to me is the 2 head dresses that appear to be on top of these heads.
Like ancient Egyptian depicts on there hieroglyphics. >>
That looks more like the fossilized remains of a 6,000 year old Ford Escort
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reverse of Ancient Egyptian Bronze Tetradrachm of Ptolemy
Look someone posted this coin the other day, anything similar?
Why do they both have a belly button? what is that..
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
I've oversimplified, but you get the point.
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That looks more like the fossilized remains of a 6,000 year old Ford Escort
Sure, but did you look at the other photo, and look for the Lincoln memorial in the back ground?
I really want to understand the history behind these images, I would suggest mars too, because there is a lot of supporting evidence from Egyptian times that also suggest flying saucers, other civilizations have been pointing up to the sky too thousands of years now.
Ok back to earth, what other symbolization's can we take images from and how far do they date back?
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
These post 9/11 USA stamps raised some controversy....
Now we know allot about the occult called the free masons, what is the link. Why do we elect these people who have ties to the occult to our government, better yet one could say our elections are fixed.
the wing on this coin looks very similar to the U.S. flag, it is also an Egyptian coin.
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
Rome crumbled from within. It was a combination of many things and not one break in the chain so-to-speak. Insane emperors, corrupt senators, and power hungry generals all had a part in the weakening of the fabric which was rome. When the fabric tore Alaric and his Visigoths surged thru and thus ended the Rome of old...
These hard history lessons should not be forgotton if the United States expects to endure for 750 more years.
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<< <i>As you know Rome was a great sprawling empire for a thousand years. The colossal monuments and philosophical writings of the emperor's endure still. They were the quintessential innovators of the time, their ingenuity and architecture are being copied even today. While they certainly were not the most friendly of neighbors and the sport enjoyed was horrific, those were the times...
Rome crumbled from within. It was a combination of many things and not one break in the chain so-to-speak. Insane emperors, corrupt senators, and power hungry generals all had a part in the weakening of the fabric which was rome. When the fabric tore Alaric and his Visigoths surged thru and thus ended the Rome of old...
These hard history lessons should not be forgotten if the United States expects to endure for 750 more years.
OH no, we have a mason. Another Egyptian coin.
The eagle? stands like a man.. Im not entirely certain the bird is an eagle, are you?
This is the one that thoth. wears. See the foot position to the eagle on the coin. Was the eagle native to eygpt?
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
once you locate this spot, and zoom in as close as you can, you will see what looks to be a red cross. And some very geometric shaped on the side of this artifact.
anti gravity..
a world of disassociation to the underlying structure of the universe , in part realized because the mind has been wasted by the majority of humanity..
Therefore we will remain stagnated until the minds of the human race have evolved far enough away from the 3 dimensional laws that govern
your beliefs. without understanding your own potential of thought, and understanding.
America waits to be told what to believe, rather than taking the time to find answerers for them self. A stagnant society, or socialization, of political correctness, and greed that focuses on conformity. We live on a planet with people without knowledge enough to even care.
The fabric of our lives resides in the underlying fabric of the universe, and not in the minds of the mundane.
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
130 AD,
HADRIAN !! First coin to depict a buffalo, or a bull.. WHY?
what significants does the bull, or buffalo impose , in regards to its symbolic nature?
The Battle of the Lion and the Bull
In mid-northern latitudes, if you go outside just after dark in April you would notice that Leo the lion is overhead, dominating the sky, and Taurus the bull is setting in the west. This scene was very significant to our ancestors, though for them, this scene took place just after dark at this time. For them, these two constellations in this position it meant that ploughing and sowing could begin. The battle of the lion and bull were symbolic of the changing seasons.
Obverse: Roman Emperor Hadrian
Reverse: Apis Bull
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I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
Let's first examine the skies of 4000BC. At the start of night in early February, Leo dominates the overhead sky. Taurus the bull is sinking below the western horizon, about to follow the Sun into the land of the dead (astronomically meaning that Taurus was approaching a helical setting.) In the days that followed, Taurus could not be seen at all because it was lost in the glare of the Sun (in conjunction.) About forty days later however, Taurus is reborn. The bull comes back to life at dawn, resurrected in the helical rising in the morning sky. This took place at the vernal (spring) equinox, traditionally the time of the rebirth of life in the ancient Near East.
But during that five thousand year reign of the lion and bull depiction, the night sky changed due to precession. Precession is a slow change in the direction that the Earth's axis appears to point to in the sky. To understand it, think of the Earth, spinning as a top with the axis running up through the middle of the top. As a top spins, it also wobbles, Earth's axis sweeps out a circle, taking 26,000 years to do so. The end result is that the axis does not always point at the north star, Polaris. The other constellations appear to shift their positions as well. In 4000 BC, the axis was pointing towards Thuban in Draco.
Because of precession, by 500 AD, Taurus and Leo were no longer in those positions at sunset in early February. Rather, they could be found in this position closer to the vernal equinox in March. The depiction was still very popular though and was just thought to represent the killing of winter (Taurus) and the domination of spring (Leo.) That is why we still think of Leo as heralding spring.
Precession has continued to change our skies and now you must wait until April to catch the bull dying at sunset. The cycles and rhythms of the skies were so important to our ancestors because it represented the cycles of life itself. Today, many people take the skies for granted and have forgotten the role they played. Take a moment and try to see them through our ancestors eyes and ponder this dark sky legacy.
Lydia · Lion’s Head Right with “Nose Wart” / Square Incuse · Electrum · About 610–560 BC
SILVER Denarius - 44 BC,
Portrait of Julius Caesar
Historical Context: See above "Historical Context"
Obv: Julius Caesar wearing Laurel Wreath,
Caduceus in Right Field, Laurel branch in Left Field
Rev: Bull Charging
SILVER STATER - 350 to 281 BC,
Thourioi
Historical Context: Thourioi was an Athenian colony in 443 BC. It was located in southern most region of Lucania ( Southern Italy ). This area was located near the site of ruined Sybaris and was intially called New Sybaris and later changed to Thourioi. These types may be connected with the Italian campaign of the Epeirote King Alexander the Molossian, 334-330 BC, when he achieved a great victory over the Lucanians.
Obv: Athena, Skylla (Sea Monster) on Helmet throwing Stones
Rev: Bull butting right, Tunny fish below
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
What garbage.. here we go again... conspiracy theories and pure crap.... full stop people... let's get back to reality. Shheeeeessshhh.
Cheers, RickO
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These post 9/11 USA stamps raised some controversy.... >>
Both America, and Germany were unearthing Egyptian treasures, are these similarity's part of an underlying truth in our history?
Are the similarity's closer related to a rebellion, or an occult?
What is the history, or what are these images truly symbolic of?
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
<< <i>"..... found on Mars..."
What garbage.. here we go again... conspiracy theories and pure crap.... full stop people... let's get back to reality. Shheeeeessshhh.
Cheers, RickO >>
Even the mundane have there own opinions, conspiracy was never mentioned, you simply may have overlooked what you can not, or refuse to understand.
Thats ok by me ricko peace.
A brief history of Egyptian symbolism.
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The civilization of ancient Egypt was symbolically oriented to a degree rarely equaled by other cultures. It was through symbols that the Egyptians represented and affirmed many of their ideas, beliefs and attitudes regarding the nature of life, death, the supernatural and reality. Symbols often depict aspects of reality or ideas that are difficult to represent through other modes of expression, and the ancient Egyptians used them constantly in this manner.
Symbolism, in fact, has been described as a primary form of ancient Egyptian thought, and it is necessary to understand the pervasive nature of this way of thinking in order to fully grasp the role of symbols in Egyptian society. Artists, architects and craftspeople utilized symbols in the design and construction of objects ranging from temples, tombs and other monuments to the smallest items of everyday life. Yet this constant incorporation of symbols was not merely a matter of decoration or playful visual punning. The use of symbolism allowed the ancient Egyptians to impose their view of life on the surface of perceived reality by incorporating or imagining symbols in the objects, forms and activities that surrounded them.
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
Below the palm nut vulture.
This bird is an Old World vulture, and is not related to the New World vultures which are in a separate family, Cathartidae.
It breeds in forest and savannah across sub-Saharan Africa, usually near water, its range coinciding with that of the Oil Palm. It is quite approachable, like many African vultures, and can be seen near habitation, even on large hotel lawns in the tourist areas of countries like The Gambia.
This is an unmistakable bird as an adult. Its plumage is all white except for black areas in its wings. It has a red patch around the eye. The immature, which takes 5 years to mature, is brown with a yellow eye patch. In flight this species resembles an eagle more than a typical vulture, and it can sustain flapping flight, so it does not depend on thermals.
This vulture gets its name from its favourite food, which, uniquely for a bird of prey, is not meat, but the nut of the Oil Palm. It will also take dead fish.
Birds may form loose colonies. A single egg is incubated in a bulky stick nest in a tree for about six weeks.
Two eagles or two vultures?
below is a biblical coin, SILVER Denarius,
Titus, 79 to 81 AD
RARE Type - JUDAEA CAPTA Issue
Historical Context: See above
Obv: Titus
Rev: Jewess (representing Judaea) bound at base of Palm Tree, Titus behind
A couple of these coins appear to have legs that would be representative of the vulture, the horizontal lines is noted.
the other thing i noticed is a coin with 2 eagles, eagles would be a solitary bird, wile the vulture would be more representative of a type of bird seen together with others. This biblical coin shows a palm, both the palm and the vulture could be seen next to a river, IE the Nile river.
Below Palms along the Nile river.
The vulture below looks very much like an eagle, and the feathers on the neck are representative on some of these coins. Note how they stick out.
Septimius Severus, 9 April 193 - 4 February 211 A.D., Laodicea ad Mare, Coele-Syria
Silver tetradrachm, Prieur 1163, superb EF, Laodicea ad Mare mint, 13.375g, 27.3mm, 0o, 209 - 211 A.D.; obverse AYT KAI CEOVHPOC CE, laureate and draped bust right; reverse DHMARC EX UPATOC TO G, eagle standing facing,
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
-Mint Director Frank Leach
<< <i>I would say a lot of Greco-Roman influence, such as the fasces on the Mercury dime, on liberty cap coppers, seated liberty silvers, and mercury dimes. Teddy Roosevelt wanted to model the coinage after Greek coins, though the high relief didn't work. Some French influence. I just wrote a 35-page paper on the subjects and symbols of American coins, and I read that some of our coins were almost directly copied from French coins. But overall, I would say our coins are predominantly of classical design, but with an American spirit in them. What's interesting is that I don't know of any precedent for placing long-dead people on coins. >>
One word translates into many. the Phrygian cap Noted: of Eastern influence. Thank you for your contribution.
In Antiquity the Phrygian cap had two connotations: for the Greeks as showing a distinctive Eastern influence of non-Greek "barbarism" (in the classical sense) and among the Romans as a badge of liberty. The Phrygian cap identifies Trojans such as Paris in vase-paintings and sculpture, and it is worn by the syncretic Hellenistic and Roman saviour god Mithras and by the Anatolian god Attis. The twins Castor and Pollux wear a superficially similar round cap called the pileus.
The Phrygian cap was also worn by King Midas to hide his donkey ears given to him as a curse by Apollo. Some variations of the myth note that Midas' subjects mistakenly took this to be a fashion statement and started wearing the tall peaked caps.
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
<< <i>I doubt it was a direct influence, probably more of a natural progression. England used profiles, and before them the Romans. Greeks used their gods on many coins before that. As money circulated throughout, I'm sure others were influenced by the designs they saw.
I've oversimplified, but you get the point.
Greek-
The meaning of the wheel as a symbolic entity is similar to that of the CIRCLE, with the additional quality of movement. As a symbol of the SUN, the wheel�s spokes parallel the rays of the sun .
These two coins are very interesting, they depict a wheel, and spokes.
A wheel, and cross, symbolic in nature Egyptian also for life.
note the rays of light in coin one, everything that is good is from the. light always seek Light.
Some Egyptian influences note what appears to be a rope that circles the obverse, this would be for protection.
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The civilization of ancient Egypt was symbolically oriented to a degree rarely equaled by other cultures. It was through symbols that the Egyptians represented and affirmed many of their ideas, beliefs and attitudes regarding the nature of life, death, the supernatural and reality. Symbols often depict aspects of reality or ideas that are difficult to represent through other modes of expression, and the ancient Egyptians used them constantly in this manner.
Archaeologists believe Egypt’s large pyramids are the work of the Old Kingdom society that rose to prominence in the Nile Valley after 3000 B.C. Historical analysis tells us that the Egyptians built the Giza Pyramids in a span of 85 years between 2589 and 2504 BC.
The earliest experiments in radiocarbon dating were done on ancient material from Egypt. Willard F. Libby’s team obtained acacia wood from the 3rd Dynasty Step Pyramid of Djoser to test a hypothesis they had developed.
Libby reasoned that since the half-life of C14 was 5568 years, the Djoser sample’s C14 concentration should be about 50% of the concentration found in living wood (for further details, see Arnold and Libby, 1949). The results proved their hypothesis correct.
* The 1st Dynasty tombs at Saqqara (2920-2770 BC).
* The Djoser pyramid (2630-2611 BC).
* The Giza Pyramids (2551-2472BC).
* A selection of 5th Dynasty pyramids (2465-2323 BC).
* A selection of 6th Dynasty pyramids (2323-2150 BC).
* A selection of Middle Kingdom pyramids (2040-1640 BC).
I really love that blue color..
The key of life.
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
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I really want to understand the history behind these images, I would suggest mars too, because there is a lot of supporting evidence from Egyptian times that also suggest flying saucers, other civilizations have been pointing up to the sky too thousands of years now.
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There is no documentation of flying saucers or helicopters in ancient Egypt. Such
as do exist are all fake per the experts. (obviously they've been wrong before).
Structures on Mars are impossible to see without a telescope. It is highly improb-
able that any ancient civiliation could develop optics and then lose both the tech-
nology and all of the artifacts.
the vulture
The vulture was the symbol of Upper Egypt. Pharaohs wore the uraeus (cobra) and the head of a vulture on their foreheads as symbols of royal protection. The goddess Nekhbet was also portrayed as a vulture.
Notice the wing with stars and stripes, like that of the wing mentioned above that looked like a flag.
Therefore the American flag is taken from the wing of a vulture. Originating Egyptian!
Septimius Severus, 9 April 193 - 4 February 211 A.D., Laodicea ad Mare, Coele-Syria
Silver tetradrachm, Prieur 1163, superb EF, Laodicea ad Mare mint, 13.375g, 27.3mm, 0o, 209 - 211 A.D.; obverse AYT KAI CEOVHPOC CE, laureate and draped bust right; reverse DHMARC EX UPATOC TO G, eagle standing facing,
Portrayed as a vulture, Nekhbet was the principal goddess of Upper Egypt, whose king she protected. Her northern counterpart was the cobra goddess Wadjet.
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Portrayed as a vulture, Nekhbet was the principal goddess of Upper Egypt.
Therefore the link between Germany with its hunger for power, and America for its same influences as a police state ties all the way back to
Egypt, were they get there roots. we need a Rosetta stone to erase all the corruption from previous presidents.. Text
Uncanny resemble, notice the vertical lines in the wings, and again at the stamps.
did you look at this photo, download, then zoom in. look for the Lincoln type memorial in the back ground, the one with the statue on top?
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.