**REAL** Confederate Cent on ebay
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Quick, sell the house!
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All in all, this in indeed a very great rarity. The last one I know of that was offered for sale was to Ira Stein for about 100K last year.
There is an excellent well researched book on these coins, , The Lovett Cent, A Confederate Story by Harold Levi and George Corell. Good reading!!!
(Im at a loss to explain the PF61 grade, since this coin has obvious wear. Last I heard it was graded XF)
<< <i>What is the history behind these? >>
Check out the text of the eBay auction and RebelStatesCurrency.com. I believe Haseltine is the only one that was promoting the story and that no one has corroborated it. There's also no documentation as to who ordered the pieces and when they were made. Some people consider Haseltine's word and examination of the pieces enough to classify these as patterns. Others need more evidence and consider them to be fantasy coins. In any event, they are very cool pieces from a well known figure. Lovett also made and struck many tokens.
For posterity, here's the info from eBay:
<< <i>From the Old Roswell Mill Collection. Although this claim cannot be proven at this time, we believe that the offered coin is Robert Lovett, Jr.'s pocket piece that he accidentally spent at a tavern one winter night in 1873. Lovett, a jeweler and engraver from Philadelphia, was approached by agents of the Confederacy before the war began in 1861. He was contracted out to design a one cent piece for circulation in the Confederacy, but after fear of being caught and convicted for treason, Lovett buried his dies and handful of coins in his cellar. However, Lovett kept one as a pocket piece which he accidentally spent in 1873 while he was inebriated at a bar. The bartender allegedly sold the coin to a collector who passed it along to Capt. John W. Hazeltine. The former Civil War captain recognized the handiwork as Lovett's and proceeded to locate the jeweler and visit him until Lovett sold the captain the remaining coins and the dies. With that story, we believe that the presently offered coin has Lovett's pocket piece spent at the tavern. The coin has a sweated appearance, consistent with the nature of a pocket piece as well as the appearance of being used for a number of years. Whether or not it can be proven, the present specimen is nonetheless an exciting and significant piece of numismatic history that will be most assuredly appreciated by generations to come. >>
RebelStatesCurrency.com says that Haseltine had Peter Kinder of Philadelphia create the set of First Restrikes. Later on, Robert Bashlow had August C. Frank & Co. of Philadelphia create transfer dies and create Second Restrikes.
<< <i>the war of northern aggression >>
This is also called The War of Southern Arrogance by some. Both are nicknames for the Civil War.
Probably as close as Ill come to owning an original csa cent.......if I dont use my reading glasses, this comes pretty close! PS one of these just sold on ebay for $111
They accidentally picked up the 1804 dollar grading guide, wherein XF/AU cleaned = PF-61.
TD
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Nice coin and a good piece of history.
K
<< <i>Well if anyone is hesitating don't forget that they have a layaway plan to ease the pain! Layaway Plans: We offer layaway plans for purchases over $2,000. >>
Excellent. $1000 down and $150 a month for 100 years ought to cover it.
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
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<< <i>I know grade is irrelevant on a piece like this - but PF-61?!? >>
So, I guess by extrapolatiojn the ones that aren't circulated are all Proof-70's????
This coin woud make a great start to a CSA registry set.....you'd need this one, a copper, gold and silver Haseltine restrike, and the two halves, the liberty seated and the scott token.
I dont know if anyone has that set.
The spot pattern and toning marks are a clear match.
<< <i>I know grade is irrelevant on a piece like this - but PF-61?!? >>
Look at the grades assigned by the major grading services to some of the 1804 silver dollars.
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<< <i>(Im at a loss to explain the PF61 grade, since this coin has obvious wear. Last I heard it was graded XF) >>
That's because a proof is always a proof, even with wear.
It is not like an business strike coin that has wear. That would make it not MS, not not Proof.
Jonathan
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<< <i>(Im at a loss to explain the PF61 grade, since this coin has obvious wear. Last I heard it was graded XF) >>
That's because a proof is always a proof, even with wear.
It is not like an business strike coin that has wear. That would make it not MS, not not Proof.
Jonathan >>
I've seen PCGS PF45 before. In fact, I thinkI've even seen a PF8!
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Originals:
Copper-Nickel - 12 struck
Restrikes from unbroken dies:
Copper - 55 struck
Gold - 7 struck
Silver - 12 struck
Restrikes from broken dies:
Aluminum - 50 struck
Bronze - 5,000 struck
Gold - 3 struck
Goldine - 5,000 struck
Lead - 50 struck
Nickel Silver - 50 struck
Platinum - 3 struck
Red Fiber - 50 struck
Silver - 5,000 struck
Tin - 50 struck
Zinc - 50 struck
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<< <i>(Im at a loss to explain the PF61 grade, since this coin has obvious wear. Last I heard it was graded XF) >>
That's because a proof is always a proof, even with wear.
It is not like an business strike coin that has wear. That would make it not MS, not not Proof.
Jonathan >>
Since proof is a method of manufacture, an impaired (worn) proof would grade PF45, or PF03 or whatever else depending on how much wear. The only time I really have seen this is with proof only issues of trade dollars.
the grade is totally accurate. NGC graded it and therefore you have no opinion worth
sharing that could make me think otherwise.
experts indeed. ;-)
Restrikes from broken dies:
Aluminum - 50 struck
Bronze - 5,000 struck
Gold - 3 struck
Goldine - 5,000 struck
Lead - 50 struck
Nickel Silver - 50 struck
Platinum - 3 struck
Red Fiber - 50 struck
Silver - 5,000 struck
Tin - 50 struck
Zinc - 50 struck
Obverse Hub Trial
Reverse Hub Trial
<< <i>Based on "The Lovett Cent, A Confederate Story" By Harold Levi and George Corell, this coin for sale is referenced as Coin number 2, photographed on page 252. It is one of three coins thought to be Lovetts pocket piece. Last sale record was Stacks Ford 1 Lot 322 and was graded as XF.
The spot pattern and toning marks are a clear match. >>
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FYI .. attached is photo Bashlow Gold .. ex Kagin Collection.
I've collected Bashlows for about 45 years ..
always gald to see another collector's items .. tj
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NGC Registry AOEDAD sets:
Set #1 Major Expositions
Set #2 So-called Dollar Collections
So-called $50 Slug Facsimiles
Bashlow re-strikes
<< <i>Very Nice Hub .. well worth $1000.00 !
FYI .. attached is photo Bashlow Gold .. ex Kagin Collection.
I've collected Bashlows for about 45 years ..
always gald to see another collector's items .. tj
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<< <i>If it has wear it can't be a "61" anything. >>
It can if it's market graded, which is becoming a more common practice.
<< <i>If it has wear it can't be a "61" anything. >>
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<< <i>If it has wear it can't be a "61" anything. >>
It can if it's market graded, which is becoming a more common practice. >>
Agree only if the "wear" is the barest trace of rub.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Compare the auction picture with the Lovett storecard I posted, and the heavy wear on the lower hair is very evident.
Dont get me wrong Im not bashing this coin....but IF I were the new owner, Id submit it to PCGS, take the whack in the grade and at least be honest with it. (also Id start that Confederate Coin registry set)
I nearly had a partner for half the buy...but his "Loving Thoughtful Wife" (who already has a 5 bedroom/4 bath house 1 block off the beach and a Jaguar) is Scairt of investing in coins. (arrrgggghhhhh)
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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He also done the Marshall House Allebach and Idler store cards.
I think they are the only ones, at least that is according to the book aforementioned. so in all he done his own storecard, Idler, Allebach Marshall house and Biern hotel. And of course the CSA cent. There are many other examples of his work, Im only mentioning the french liberty head design.
Get the book if these interest you, its a great read.
Snagged a cheapo example: linky dinky
Will fill one of the empty holes in my IH¢ Dansco
morris
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