Does any this relate back to the story of rejected planchets back in Feb.? Especially regarding the pictures showing the thickness issues. Could the 'rejected' planchets cause finish contrasts?
I think the thread about the different finishes last year died because no one provided pictures, and the comment was made that it looked like worn dies making the difference. case solved, nothing to see. These 2008 shiny ASEs arent from worn dies, and we have all either seen them in hand or in the pictures provided--and there is nothing worn about them. this case isnt solved yet.
I checked my '07-Ws last nite - Same thing. Some with more matte, some with less. The more shiny ones also have more detail. Kind'a leads me to believe that it is variations in the die finishing/preperation. Possible some dies receive more bead blasting than others resulting in a deeper matte finish but with detail being sacrificed in the process. Just a thought.
With all the tens of thousands of these things that have been graded, i wonder why the TPGs haven't been concerned with it?
Regards, John
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
Mitch might be right, John Maben might be right, but I know i made an offer several nights ago that I would trade a matte finish coin (2008/Rev 2007 variety) for anyone with a shiny/shiny version, and no one has offered one up.
Mitch has said he has not been following the thread, and his comments mentioned prior year coins with shiny versions, with no difference ever acknowledged .
DCarr has said that in his experience that when dies are worn, they could produce the shiny effect.
John Maben has mentioned that the variety that counts has been found and NGC and PCGS will probably pass on recognizing these.
These gentlemen are all experts in the field. They might be right.
But Mitch hasnt seen the coins in hand yet.
The coins dont look like the results of worn out dies. ( I would love to see side by side pictures of prior year examples to see if they are worn die examples or like this years coins)
And collectors may voice an opinion on whether these coins are different enough to warrent them desiring an example.
I know when I first heard of weak edge lettering coins, I laughed. But i started finding them fast, when collectors decided they wanted them. Can you believe weak edge lettered coins have sold for more than most of the doubled edged or missing edge variety coins?
A few years ago, on the end of a roll I had received from the mint, I had a Sacagawea cointhat was visibly different. I took it to Fred Weinberg, and he said it was an experimental rinse. The only one from 2006 he had ever seen, and to this day its still the only one ever graded. Its key to the Sacagawea set. It looked different. It was different. maybe these are too, but im not going to just ignore them.
<< <i>I checked my '07-Ws last nite - Same thing. Some with more matte, some with less. The more shiny ones also have more detail. Kind'a leads me to believe that it is variations in the die finishing/preperation. Possible some dies receive more bead blasting than others resulting in a deeper matte finish but with detail being sacrificed in the process. Just a thought.
With all the tens of thousands of these things that have been graded, i wonder why the TPGs haven't been concerned with it?
Regards, John >>
Good point. That is a very plausible theory. TD
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These gentlemen are all experts in the field. They might be right.
Yes, the odds are in the experts' favor.
But Mitch hasnt seen the coins in hand yet.
Even on these boards, few seem to have, either (including me!)
The coins dont look like the results of worn out dies. ( I would love to see side by side pictures of prior year examples to see if they are worn die examples or like this years coins)
Me too!
And collectors may voice an opinion on whether these coins are different enough to warrent them desiring an example.
Right they may, and if the photos and descriptions on these threads are accurate, these "shiny" 2008 ASE's have the greater eye-appeal, if not an unusual explanation and/or mintage as well.
<< <i>Mitch is right on with his post. Just go to the link below and scroll down. Wondercoin (Mitch) IMHO as well, after it is all said and done, no one will really care. >>
Except that Mitch would be singing a different tune if he had a bunch to sell. These are unfinished dies, I don't believe that there are different letters, that is a lighting effect IMO but the coins rom these are higher relief and have not gone through all the processes that the satins have. Prehaps unfinished proof dies? I have gone through as many coins as anyone on this board and these are definate standouts.
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I contacted Mr. Ron Guth about the issue. I have asked him to consider the variety and have PCGS examine the variety. We'll see what happens. I hereby Copyright this issue and any variety involved(Image)
I hate when a thread like this dies without a answer.
I ran across this thread while looking for other information.
Was a die variety designation ever given to this issue?
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I started reading this thread and remembered the two different finishes on the 08...and then realized this IS the thread from 10+ years ago....kinda messed my mind up a bit
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Well, good luck and have fun!
Your format for labeling the different '08 ASE's was interesting.
I am curious to know what distribution people are seeing personally.
So I started the following thread: Starting a rough census
The more shiny ones also have more detail.
Kind'a leads me to believe that it is variations in the die finishing/preperation. Possible some dies receive more bead blasting than others resulting in a deeper matte finish but with detail being sacrificed in the process. Just a thought.
With all the tens of thousands of these things that have been graded, i wonder why the TPGs haven't been concerned with it?
Regards, John
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
Just go to the link below and scroll down.
Wondercoin (Mitch)
IMHO as well, after it is all said and done, no one will really care.
Mitch has said he has not been following the thread, and his comments mentioned prior year coins with shiny versions, with no difference ever acknowledged .
DCarr has said that in his experience that when dies are worn, they could produce the shiny effect.
John Maben has mentioned that the variety that counts has been found and NGC and PCGS will probably pass on recognizing these.
These gentlemen are all experts in the field. They might be right.
But Mitch hasnt seen the coins in hand yet.
The coins dont look like the results of worn out dies. ( I would love to see side by side pictures of prior year examples to see if they are worn die examples or like this years coins)
And collectors may voice an opinion on whether these coins are different enough to warrent them desiring an example.
I know when I first heard of weak edge lettering coins, I laughed. But i started finding them fast, when collectors decided they wanted them. Can you believe weak edge lettered coins have sold for more than most of the doubled edged or missing edge variety coins?
A few years ago, on the end of a roll I had received from the mint, I had a Sacagawea cointhat was visibly different. I took it to Fred Weinberg, and he said it was an experimental rinse. The only one from 2006 he had ever seen, and to this day its still the only one ever graded. Its key to the Sacagawea set. It looked different. It was different. maybe these are too, but im not going to just ignore them.
<< <i>I checked my '07-Ws last nite - Same thing. Some with more matte, some with less.
The more shiny ones also have more detail.
Kind'a leads me to believe that it is variations in the die finishing/preperation. Possible some dies receive more bead blasting than others resulting in a deeper matte finish but with detail being sacrificed in the process. Just a thought.
With all the tens of thousands of these things that have been graded, i wonder why the TPGs haven't been concerned with it?
Regards, John >>
Good point. That is a very plausible theory.
TD
Yes, the odds are in the experts' favor.
But Mitch hasnt seen the coins in hand yet.
Even on these boards, few seem to have, either (including me!)
The coins dont look like the results of worn out dies. ( I would love to see side by side pictures of prior year examples to see if they are worn die examples or like this years coins)
Me too!
And collectors may voice an opinion on whether these coins are different enough to warrent them desiring an example.
Right they may, and if the photos and descriptions on these threads are accurate, these "shiny" 2008 ASE's have the greater eye-appeal, if not an unusual explanation and/or mintage as well.
<< <i>Mitch is right on with his post.
Just go to the link below and scroll down.
Wondercoin (Mitch)
IMHO as well, after it is all said and done, no one will really care. >>
Except that Mitch would be singing a different tune if he had a bunch to sell. These are unfinished dies, I don't believe that there are different letters, that is a lighting effect IMO but the coins rom these are higher relief and have not gone through all the processes that the satins have. Prehaps unfinished proof dies? I have gone through as many coins as anyone on this board and these are definate standouts.
the second batch had the more shiny obverse but all have the satin finish on the reverse.
i`m guessing unfinished dies.
I hate when a thread like this dies without a answer.
I ran across this thread while looking for other information.
Was a die variety designation ever given to this issue?
Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up!
Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
I started reading this thread and remembered the two different finishes on the 08...and then realized this IS the thread from 10+ years ago....kinda messed my mind up a bit
I do not recall ever seeing a definitive answer on this issue....might have missed it....Cheers, RickO