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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sounds like there is some confusion as to "upper case U" vs. "lower case U."

    The "U" used in "UNITED" in 2007 DOES NOT have a serif or tail in the lower right corner.
    The "U" used in "UNITED" in 2008 DOES have a srif or tail in the lower right corner.

    I don't know whether any given person is calling the style with the serif the "upper case U" or the "lower case U," so let's just say "Without Serif" to refer to the "Style of 2007," and "With Serif" to refer to the "Style of 2008." This way there can be no confusion.

    TD
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  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    yes, there certainly could be more with the lower case U. They were all minted, tons of them, back in 2007. edit: Weren't they?

    The Mint has fiddled around with a number of things, not the least of which is this ASE lower case U situation. Who in the world ever learned to write the United States of America, beginning with a lower case letter? Some commie?!!!

    Look at the fiasco on issuing the Sacs. Nobody knew wtf was going on for the longest about the 2008 Sacs being approved for mintage, edge-lettered or not, yada yada yada. What else was there? I've lost count. The ASE deal, the Sac issuance, ...?


  • << <i>Sounds like there is some confusion as to "upper case U" vs. "lower case U."

    The "U" used in "UNITED" in 2007 DOES NOT have a serif or tail in the lower right corner.
    The "U" used in "UNITED" in 2008 DOES have a srif or tail in the lower right corner.

    I don't know whether any given person is calling the style with the serif the "upper case U" or the "lower case U," so let's just say "Without Serif" to refer to the "Style of 2007," and "With Serif" to refer to the "Style of 2008." This way there can be no confusion.

    TD >>



    OK then, just searched 62 08 (non W) eagles. All with serif!

    +1
  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    Are kids taught about serifs in 1st grade?

    NO



    edit: quit feeding the PROBLEM; it's upper case and lower case





  • << <i>so let's just say "Without Serif" to refer to the "Style of 2007," and "With Serif" to refer to the "Style of 2008." This way there can be no confusion. TD >>

    "without serif"-- correct term is "sans serif".
  • mach19mach19 Posts: 4,002 ✭✭
    Any proofs without the serifs or sans serifs or 2007 reverse...
    TIN SOLDIERS & NIXON COMING image
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,715 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Are kids taught about serifs in 1st grade?

    NO



    edit: quit feeding the PROBLEM; it's upper case and lower case >>



    OK, so do you call the U with the serif upper case or lower case?
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  • Henway's correct-- it's not a lower case U. It's a sans serif U.
  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    TD, this use of the proper U began as a question (01/10/08) about it being lower case or upper case.

    This particular thread began talking about font, a foot on a letter, capitalization, and ...lower case letters!

    when did serifs come up? page 3?



    edit: I started many of my sentences on this forum with lower case letters following 01/10/08 because of this very problem about lower case vs. upper case. I find it amusing and I love raking the Mint around about it. The ASE in 2008 looked like a big mistake to me since it had already been out a while. I could've understood the quarter's font being a design change timed with the state quarter program.

    This thread is here for our entertainment, regardless of how well we type or spell. Our nation's coinage is another thing entirely. Who doesn't capitalize "The United States of America"? Come on.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,715 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>so let's just say "Without Serif" to refer to the "Style of 2007," and "With Serif" to refer to the "Style of 2008." This way there can be no confusion.

    TD >>




    "without serif"-- correct term is "sans serif". >>



    I know the term, but was afraid that others might not. That's why I used with and without. Less likely to be misunderstood.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,715 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>just searched 62 08 (non W) eagles. All lower case. >>



    Maybe there's more of the lower case U type than the correct type, lol. >>



    This is the confusion I was referring to.
    The lower case U, with the serif, IS the correct type for 2008.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,715 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>yes, there certainly could be more with the lower case U. They were all minted, tons of them, back in 2007. edit: Weren't they?

    The Mint has fiddled around with a number of things, not the least of which is this ASE lower case U situation. Who in the world ever learned to write the United States of America, beginning with a lower case letter? Some commie?!!!

    Look at the fiasco on issuing the Sacs. Nobody knew wtf was going on for the longest about the 2008 Sacs being approved for mintage, edge-lettered or not, yada yada yada. What else was there? I've lost count. The ASE deal, the Sac issuance, ...? >>



    Are you referring to 2007-dated coins struck in 2007, or 2008-dated coins, with the lower case u, struck early (i.e., in 2007)?
    The 2007-dated coins would have had the upper case u.
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  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    yes, er uh, NO!

    your other left!


    So sorry, I was talking about the 2008s all minted back in 07. Tons of them, weren't there? Come on you pros, help me out here!!!


  • CORRECTION: If you look at the 08-W image, the U does indeed have serifs. What's missing is the 'tail' on the U. So should we now call it the "tail-less U variety"? image
  • Or maybe the "sans tail variety", LOL.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I see your point. The 2007 reverse does have faint serifs at the tops of the letter. The 2008 reverse does not, but it does have the tail on the U.
    So, I guess we should say "No Tail U" and "With Tail U."
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  • halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
    This didn't seem so complicated in the beginning! image
    Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set:
    1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
    Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ttt
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  • They ALL may be low mintage. This from the Voy board:


    THIS NEWS out today on my COINNET dealer network: -- Norwester, 19:16:49 04/17/08 Thu [1]

    "THE US MINT HAS MADE AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT; THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT ON MONDAY, THEY WILL RESUME SALES OF 2008 SILVER EAGLES. NOW THE BAD NEWS.
    EFFECTIVE MONDAY, AND UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE, THE US MINT WILL BE RATIONING THE SALE OF 2008 SILVER EAGLES TO THE AP'S. THERE WILL ONLY BE 1 MILLLION COINS A
    VAILABLE MONDAY, WITH ORDERS FROM AP'S OVER 2.5 MILLION.
    WE WILL SHIP ALL CONFIRMED AND PAID FOR ORDERS NEXT WEEK, IF BRINKS GETS HERE BEFORE FRIDAY, AND WE ARE WITHDRAWING ALL FUTURE SALES OF 2008 SILVER EAGLES UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. THE PREMIUMS ARE GOING UP.
    ANY OF YOU THAT HAVE CONFIRMED 2008 SILVER EAGLES, PLEASE SEND FINAL PAYMENT ON MONDAY.

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    The ABOVE was posted by one of the "AP's" (Approved
    Principals....or suppliers)late today.....SOUNDS like
    the Mint is fecking with us.....so IF you own any 2008
    dated Eagles, they'll liable to end up being THE lowest
    mintage to date if the Mint continues this 'slowdown'....

    image
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, they still have 8+ months to make more, so I wouldn't put too much stock in "low mintage."
    The reason that they suspended sales in the first place was that they had sold so many coins they ran out of planchets. That is not a scenario likely to end up in a "low mintage" in the long run.
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    Why don;t we just refer to this coin as the Reverse of 2007 which is really what it is?

    BTW, the folks across the street are now designating these as 2008-W Reverse of 2007.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,715 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why don;t we just refer to this coin as the Reverse of 2007 which is really what it is?

    BTW, the folks across the street are now designating these as 2008-W Reverse of 2007. >>



    I can live with that.
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  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How about

    "with kickstand" and "without kickstand"

    What?!image

    R
  • halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
    Just wanted to say THANKS to everyone that responded to this thread.
    The responses here that helped sort this thing out made the folks here the first to discover that there was indeed more than one '08 reverse, days before the NGC announcement.

    It's great that CU keeps this venue for sharing knowledge and making discoveries open to the collecting community.


    THANKS CU

    Best Regards,

    John
    Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set:
    1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
    Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sot the Serif, but I swear it was in self defense

    image
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Thank's for a trip down memory lane.
  • DuPapaDuPapa Posts: 495 ✭✭
    78
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>78 >>

    Thanks for the walk down Memory Lane.

    Every now and again, amidst the bad eBay listings, bad eBay sellers, whining about the US Mint and complaining about TPG's and their grades/slabs/labels, a thread pops up that has REAL value to collectors.

    This was one of them! It underscored the importance of actually looking at your coins through a collectors eyes and discussing the differences observed.

    It also took the SAE out of the field of "mundane"!

    image
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Happy New Year. Some classics are worth a "To The Top" for the new people.
  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Happy New Year. Some classics are worth a "To The Top" for the new people. >>



    Those were the good ol days! Thanks for the tip halfhunter! I ordered a few after the discovery and ended up with about a dozen of the 08 rev 07, several of those I still have.

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Ditto on the great opportunity halfhunter.

    Have sold all of mine and now have been selling the Wddr 009's like crazy in the past month.

    We all move on with different coins.
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,234 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wish I had paid more attention to this thread when it was happening! But I didn't. :(

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    I wish I had paid more attention to this thread when it was happening! But I didn't. :(

    I wasn't slumming on this board until the 25th ASE set, and didn't even know about the error until like 2010.

    I bought three uncircs in 2008, two had the '07 reverse. Graded 69 and 70 ATS. (Free coupon I had to use up. :smile: )

    Talk about being in the right place at the right time...

    (And yes, this is an oooooold thread. Ah, 10 year anniversary. I get it. :) )

  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭✭

    The best find of the Forum.... Friend bought a new house just from the proceeds of the 2008/2007 Eagle

  • Not a house but still a good day..................

    Line Items Cert # PCGS # Description Grade Country
    1 1 11404002 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 2 11404003 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 3 11404004 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 4 11404005 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 5 11404006 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 6 11404007 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 7 11404008 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 8 11404009 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 9 11404010 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 10 11404011 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 11 11404012 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 12 11404013 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 13 11404014 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 14 11404015 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 15 11404020 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 16 11404019 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    2 1 11404016 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP70 USA
    2 2 11404017 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP70 USA
    2 3 11404018 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP70 USA

  • TheRavenTheRaven Posts: 4,148 ✭✭✭✭

    I remember this thread.

    Remember getting my hands on one of these coins as quickly as I could. Good $200 purchase.

    Collection under construction: VG Barber Quarters & Halves
  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭✭

    @2manycoins2fewfunds said:
    Not a house but still a good day..................

    Line Items Cert # PCGS # Description Grade Country
    1 1 11404002 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 2 11404003 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 3 11404004 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 4 11404005 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 5 11404006 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 6 11404007 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 7 11404008 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 8 11404009 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 9 11404010 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 10 11404011 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 11 11404012 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 12 11404013 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 13 11404014 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 14 11404015 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 15 11404020 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    1 16 11404019 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP69 USA
    2 1 11404016 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP70 USA
    2 2 11404017 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP70 USA
    2 3 11404018 396411 2008-W $1 Burnished Eagle, Rev '07 SP70 USA

    He bought 310 @2008 W Eagles .. got almost 200 Rev of 07s ,,,,,in small 5 , 10 coin orders ,,,,,,nice return

  • bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,970 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I only got one with my US Mint subscription and it was just a regular one. :'( Lol

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,817 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Close enough for gubmint work.

  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭✭

    @bsshog40 said:
    I only got one with my US Mint subscription and it was just a regular one. :'( Lol

    $29.95 was Mint issue price

  • Mr Lindy Mr Lindy Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Red Book says 47,000 of the 2008 have 2007 reverse

  • TwobitcollectorTwobitcollector Posts: 3,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 19, 2018 2:55AM

    I had 2 one was a 69 by NGC which I sold, the other is in my Dansco.!

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  • halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭

    @LindyS said:
    Red Book says 47,000 of the 2008 have 2007 reverse

    That was the number thrown out to the press. The actual mintage from die strike count was 46,318.
    what is not known is the number found and destroyed by the Mint before release.

    Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set:
    1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
    Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do love a modern find doesn’t end with people concluding “machine doubling, no value..”

    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭

    @bestday said:

    @bsshog40 said:
    I only got one with my US Mint subscription and it was just a regular one. :'( Lol

    $29.95 was Mint issue price

    My records clearly show $25.95 as the original issue price. This represented a $4.00 increase over the 2007-W ($21.95) which had a $2.00 increase over the 2006-W ($19.96).

    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!

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