<< <i>In order to reproduce battle creek type coins, the conditions need to be specific for toning, and coins need to be undisturbed for many years. >>
Decades they say if i recalled the article correctly. I don't think i can wait decades. Just me two cents.
<< <i>In order to reproduce battle creek type coins, the conditions need to be specific for toning, and coins need to be undisturbed for many years. >>
Decades they say if i recalled the article correctly. I don't think I can wait decades. Just me two cents. >>
On contrary if a foreign substance was introduced IE dynamite ingredients, then these are indeed AT.. you may be surprised that decades can be reduced to much much less.
I have seen the results of such coins, from snakes, that try to con you into believing they are natural. Lets face it AT gets slabbed all the time, if you know what your doing..
The article I read was for coin bags toning under natural conditions.
10 to 50 years..
Humblepie
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It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
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I don't really know for asure but I do know that the bag I bought from the US Mint is a different type of material than the bag my 1972 IKE's came in. The older bag had a smaller tighter weave while the newer bag larger looser weave.
I think the optimal place to store them for a short period of time would be somewhere in the Old Faithful Lodge in Yellowstone National Park!
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Last year I bought a bag of the 2001 P&D Kennedy's and some of them had starting toning. Not a pretty tone but they did have some so I would have to say a minimum of 6 years.
Always 'pushing the envelope' on toning..... 'What if I put the bag in a box, and by accident, my kid dropped a couple of hard boiled egg yolks in... and the box just happened to get moved into the sun.... would that then be NT? Huh? Would it?'.... Cheers, RickO
On contrary if a foreign substance was introduced IE dynamite ingredients, then these are indeed AT.. you may be surprised that decades can be reduced to much much less. >>
Which ingredients?? Can one use their household equivalents? What methods do you recommend? acetic acid vinegar aluminum oxide alumia aluminum potassium sulfate alum aluminum sulfate alum ammonium hydroxide ammonia carbon carbonate chalk calcium hypochloride bleaching powder calcium oxide lime calcium sulfate plaster of paris carbonic acid seltzer carbon tetrachloride cleaning fluid ethylene dichloride Dutch fluid ferric oxide iron rust glucose corn syrup graphite pencil lead hydrochloric acid muriatic acid hydrogen peroxide peroxide lead acetate sugar of lead lead tetrooxide red lead magnesium silicate talc magnesium sulfate Epsom salts naphthalene mothballs phenol carbolic acid potassium bicarbonate cream of tartar potassium chromium sulf. chrome alum potassium nitrate saltpeter sodium dioxide sand sodium bicarbonate baking soda sodium borate borax sodium carbonate washing soda sodium chloride salt sodium hydroxide lye sodium silicate water glass sodium sulfate glauber's salt sodium thiosulfate photographer's hypo sulferic acid battery acid sucrose cane sugar zinc chloride tinner's fluid
Always 'pushing the envelope' on toning..... 'What if I put the bag in a box, and by accident, my kid dropped a couple of hard boiled egg yolks in... and the box just happened to get moved into the sun.... would that then be NT? Huh? Would it?'.... Cheers, RickO
Ricko, I'd have to say "no" on that one, because we all know that your kid has long held a devious plot to flood the market with toners, and therefore the egg thing would have to be considered as "no accident", which would sully the "intent" part of the equation and render any such toners as AT.
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You can try such things as Phosphorus, potassium chlorate, sulfur, and sugar, some of the ingredients in match heads.
What made certain coin albums, paper rolls, and old time envelopes good for toning, was actually a result of the processes used to make paper. The making of cardboard, and paper back in the day, specifically the acids, and bleaching solutions that were used to reduce the wood pulp into paper.
Small amounts of sulfur was introduced as a preservative. The stronger acids used in the early going of the paper industry, left more of these reacting agents as a residue in the final product. Old paper, and cardboard did a great job toning coins.
Humblepie
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
I put a proof Jefferson nickel in one of those new US Mint $25 canvas bags for quarters for over a year. It toned but is ugly. It has a sickly yellow kind of haze.
Things were certainly made differently many years ago.
Back when I was in college, I was charged with going through my Grandmother's old trunks after she had passed.
Many of the items dated back as far as the 1880s.
What I consistently noted was that thicker papers, cardstock and such and even cardboard had toned, as opposed to an aged parchment look with pulp writing paper. They did have onion paper back then and it remained pristine. Something to think about if you are considering a document you want to last for at least a century or more.
Most were in the blue to purple category with the occasional rainbow effect here and there.
I did find a few coins in the bottom, common circulated Barbers and Indian Cents, for the most part.
Few had any sort of toning and those that did were black.
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located old dynamite boxes finders fee wanted. 154 extremely rare to some more common Dynamite,wooden boxes empty of course. They date from 1870's to 1950's.
interested?
Humblepie
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It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
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In order to reproduce battle creek type coins, the conditions need to be specific for toning, and coins need to be undisturbed for many years.
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
<< <i>In order to reproduce battle creek type coins, the conditions need to be specific for toning, and coins need to be undisturbed for many years. >>
Decades they say if i recalled the article correctly. I don't think i can wait decades. Just me two cents.
<< <i>
<< <i>In order to reproduce battle creek type coins, the conditions need to be specific for toning, and coins need to be undisturbed for many years. >>
Decades they say if i recalled the article correctly. I don't think I can wait decades. Just me two cents.
On contrary if a foreign substance was introduced IE dynamite ingredients, then these are indeed AT..
you may be surprised that decades can be reduced to much much less.
I have seen the results of such coins, from snakes, that try to con you into believing they are natural.
Lets face it AT gets slabbed all the time, if you know what your doing..
The article I read was for coin bags toning under natural conditions.
10 to 50 years..
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
I think the optimal place to store them for a short period of time would be somewhere in the Old Faithful Lodge in Yellowstone National Park!
The name is LEE!
On contrary if a foreign substance was introduced IE dynamite ingredients, then these are indeed AT..
you may be surprised that decades can be reduced to much much less.
>>
Which ingredients?? Can one use their household equivalents? What methods do you recommend?
acetic acid vinegar
aluminum oxide alumia
aluminum potassium sulfate alum
aluminum sulfate alum
ammonium hydroxide ammonia
carbon carbonate chalk
calcium hypochloride bleaching powder
calcium oxide lime
calcium sulfate plaster of paris
carbonic acid seltzer
carbon tetrachloride cleaning fluid
ethylene dichloride Dutch fluid
ferric oxide iron rust
glucose corn syrup
graphite pencil lead
hydrochloric acid muriatic acid
hydrogen peroxide peroxide
lead acetate sugar of lead
lead tetrooxide red lead
magnesium silicate talc
magnesium sulfate Epsom salts
naphthalene mothballs
phenol carbolic acid
potassium bicarbonate cream of tartar
potassium chromium sulf. chrome alum
potassium nitrate saltpeter
sodium dioxide sand
sodium bicarbonate baking soda
sodium borate borax
sodium carbonate washing soda
sodium chloride salt
sodium hydroxide lye
sodium silicate water glass
sodium sulfate glauber's salt
sodium thiosulfate photographer's hypo
sulferic acid battery acid
sucrose cane sugar
zinc chloride tinner's fluid
Ricko, I'd have to say "no" on that one, because we all know that your kid has long held a devious plot to flood the market with toners, and therefore the egg thing would have to be considered as "no accident", which would sully the "intent" part of the equation and render any such toners as AT.
I knew it would happen.
What made certain coin albums, paper rolls, and old time envelopes good for toning, was actually a result of the processes used to make paper.
The making of cardboard, and paper back in the day, specifically the acids, and bleaching solutions that were used to reduce the wood pulp into paper.
Small amounts of sulfur was introduced as a preservative. The stronger acids used in the early going of the paper industry, left more of these reacting agents as a residue in the final product. Old paper, and cardboard did a great job toning coins.
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.
of the following reasons.
1. The coins were 90% silver
2. The canvas bags were impregnated
with sulfur. Possibly to keep vermin away
3. For the most part, the bagged coins were
left unmolested for 100 years, in a rather stable
temperature and humidity environment.
Camelot
Back when I was in college, I was charged with going through my Grandmother's old trunks after she had passed.
Many of the items dated back as far as the 1880s.
What I consistently noted was that thicker papers, cardstock and such and even cardboard had toned, as opposed to an aged parchment look with pulp writing paper. They did have onion paper back then and it remained pristine. Something to think about if you are considering a document you want to last for at least a century or more.
Most were in the blue to purple category with the occasional rainbow effect here and there.
I did find a few coins in the bottom, common circulated Barbers and Indian Cents, for the most part.
Few had any sort of toning and those that did were black.
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
interested?
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
.