Signs of dipping on a morgan dollar?

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jmcu12
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If a morgan has been dipped is it possible to have a coin with white surfaces and cartwheel luster, but to also have an edge look as it there is toning?

I dont have a coin in mind, this is just for future reference.
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  • ricko
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    All things are possible.... Cheers, RickO
  • jfoot13
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    I'm not a big morgan guy but I have seen rolls of warnickels in tubes that looked totally original from the toned edges in the tube.. the coins inside were all brillant BU but under closer inspection it appeared they were cleaned with a Q-tip and dip to remove the toning on the surfaces...
    there was no progression of toning from brilliant to tone just the abrupt change and unatural configuration of the pattern..
    nice coins.. impressive display when taken out of tube but a whole roll like this didn't seem natural.

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  • 19Lyds
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    When handling collectible coins, they are always handled by the edges. As a result, they will accumulate skin oils which will impart toning to the edges which will give the coin a toned edge, yet blast white appearance.

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  • Raybob15239
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    I used to keep my Morgans in old Whitman Bookshelf Albums form the 60s. I noticed them starting to tone at the rims and when I pulled them from the album to put in new holders, I saw that the once white rims were now black. I think its from the high sulfer content of the cardboard stock used in the albums.

    I recently moved all my coins into the CoinWorld plastic slab holders (PCGS style holders) and bought the Eagle Slab pages. It makes for a much nicer presentation (although the 3-ring binders required a bigger SDB at the bank) and I can now take the coun out of the album to examine without risking damage from the plastic slide or deom removing and replacing the coin in the page.

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  • chiefbob
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    How about a more basic question: is there an easy way to tell if a Morgan has been dipped, but not mechanically cleaned (e.g., with Q-tip, etc.)?
    I've read that they would have a dull gray appearance, but also read the opposite.

    I dipped some of my Morgans years ago but now have a hard time telling which ones were dipped. One or two have unnaturally proof-like surfaces over the entire surface of the coin without any transition points. Those I believe were dipped.

    Getting back to the OP, can a dipped Morgan have cartwheel luster, etc. and be hard to pick out from the undipped ones?

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  • Rollerman
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    Getting back to the OP, can a dipped Morgan have cartwheel luster, etc. and be hard to pick out from the undipped ones? >>




    Absolutely! Only dipping too long (holding the coin in the solution too long) or dipping too often makes it more obvious that dipping has occurred. Improper rinsing can also make it more obvious that dipping has occurred.

    Dipping should never be done on circulated coins (very high end AU's might be o.k.)
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  • DJCoinz
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    << <i>Getting back to the OP, can a dipped Morgan have cartwheel luster, etc. and be hard to pick out from the undipped ones? >>




    Absolutely! Only dipping too long (holding the coin in the solution too long) or dipping too often makes it more obvious that dipping has occurred. Improper rinsing can also make it more obvious that dipping has occurred.

    Dipping should never be done on circulated coins (very high end AU's might be o.k.)
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  • Steve27
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    " How about a more basic question: is there an easy way to tell if a Morgan has been dipped, but not mechanically cleaned (e.g., with Q-tip, etc.)?"

    No, that's why PCGS has no issue slabbing dipped coins, and in some cases encourages it.
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  • chiefbob
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    << <i>" How about a more basic question: is there an easy way to tell if a Morgan has been dipped, but not mechanically cleaned (e.g., with Q-tip, etc.)?"

    No, that's why PCGS has no issue slabbing dipped coins, and in some cases encourages it. >>



    Well, the reason I asked was because PCGS BBd a Morgan of mine and said it was "harshly cleaned". The coin was a BU ( ~MS63-64) and it was never harshly cleaned. Looking at it now, it still looks like a gem BU. Not arguing with ya, Steve. Just confused over the dip/don't dip issue. Maybe I'll try ANACS and see if it comes back Net-details.
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  • dorkkarl
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    << <i>Well, the reason I asked was because PCGS BBd a Morgan of mine and said it was "harshly cleaned". >>

    did they literally use the word "harshly"??? never heard that they use that term, i thought it was simply "cleaned"...... .

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  • Walkerguy21D
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    Are there numerous hairlines present in the fields, and/or the luster dulled significantly? Those conditions may explain BB'ing, otherwise I would think if it had only been lightly dipped it should have slabbed.
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  • RWB
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    The residue depends on what you dip it in. Pizza sauce leaves bits of oregano all over the eagle and in Liberty’s hair, and BBQ makes odd stains. Hot mustard is nice since the color is an even golden yellow. Cheese sauce (aka nacho sauce) just pits the coin, and guacamole looks weird. My favorite is honey-lemon because the color is very nice. Since Morgans are mostly Bland Dollars, the right dipping sauce is important to full flavor.
  • halfhunter
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    Since Morgans are mostly Bland Dollars, the right dipping sauce is important to full flavor.

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