1919-S Mercury Dime "FSB" Question???

Broadstruck · April 13, 2008 12:34AM

Sorry there's some major haze on the holder... of course right on the center bands.

But what % would you call these bands?

Broadstruck · April 13, 2008 1:01AM

Wakey Wakey Eggs and Bakey

Many thanx in advance!

57loaded · April 13, 2008 1:18AM

there's no cigar for close...that's been my assumtion

ricko · April 13, 2008 1:22AM

99% In the magnified version, they appear very close to being full... Cheers, RickO

remumc · April 13, 2008 1:26AM

95% plus. Nice dime!

Regards,

Wayne

Broadstruck · April 13, 2008 1:52AM

there's no cigar for close...that's been my assumtion

OK question #2

If a FSB in 66 is worth up to $120K as per auction prices realized... what would this be worth

yellowjacket · April 13, 2008 1:56AM

I'll say 70% complete. For those who are serious about Full Bands, they are looking for "two loaves of bread" side by side. Or "two rails." To be fully split, the bands must be raised. This is why there are huge price differences on these coins, especially the 1919-S. Coins that are marginal are sold at discounts to unsuspecting buyers.

Much like "full head" SLQ, there appears to be a disconnect between what avid collectors call fully struck coins and what the TPG services recognize on their holders. This causes misconceptions among uninformed buyers.

Garrow

Edited to add: That's a pretty coin, BTW.

duck620 · April 13, 2008 2:00AM

sorry,center bands flat.nice coin for the year.

morgansforever · April 13, 2008 2:00AM

So close to FB, maybe condider resubmitting?

Price guide for a 66 is $1675.

The dime being so close to FB, may bring more who knows.

The center band does look a little flat.

I'm confident the pic below is FSB, these are the only ones I purchase.

Wish it wear a 19S, instead of a 42D.

MFH · April 13, 2008 2:05AM

Broadstruck - Nice MS 66 dime - and worth every cent of $1675.

...and no, no chance of getting it into a FB holder, IMHO. Not even accross the street.

Very nice dime though.

Broadstruck · April 13, 2008 2:08AM

Here's a saved image from a dealers site of the central bands of a 1919-D MS64 in a top TPG holder as FB sold for an ask of $6,495.00... any loaves here?

Broadstruck · April 13, 2008 2:24AM

Much like "full head" SLQ, there appears to be a disconnect between what avid collectors call fully struck coins and what the TPG services recognize on their holders. This causes misconceptions among uninformed buyers.

OK so if we are talking SLQ FH's there's 3 levels mentioned in Cline's book - Minimum FH, Sharp FH, and Ultimate FH... what's the Minimum "splitification" requirement on a Merc

As if the image below of the 19-D is what the TPG will grant a FB designation to... you could drive thru the bands on the 1919-S without hitting a road block.

Mercury10c · April 13, 2008 2:57AM

Can't tell from the pic, but if I had to bet a dollar, I'd go with yes.
If I had to bet $100, well, that's a tough one.

<< <i>sorry,center bands flat. >>

The bands do not have to be round or fully struck to earn the
FSB designation. They just have to be totally separated.

commoncents05 · April 13, 2008 3:02AM

They do not have to be "loaves of bread" or "McDonald's arches" to get the FSB designation. They can be flat but fully split and get the designation.

-Paul

ricko · April 13, 2008 3:04AM

Broadstruck..can you magnify the 19-S like the 19-D?... that would help.. Cheers, RickO

DJCoinz · April 13, 2008 3:06AM

If it's not FSB it's very very close...

Fairlaneman · April 13, 2008 3:10AM

70 to 80 percent on the 19S and about 85 percent on the 19D. The 19D is stronger on the right hand side than the 19S. Someone stated that the 19S would not make FB across the street. Actually NGC is tougher on the FB designation than PCGS. From what I have seen lately PCGS has went back to be very strick on Merc dimes again. With that said the 19S has no chance at the FB designation now and a very very very slim chance later on down the road.

Maybe fcloud will chime in with a picture of the 19S I sold him. If I remember correctly it has stronger bands than this 19S that is shown.

Price wise. Get every penny you can for the coin. This is truely one of the KEYS in the series.

Below is the reverse of a 19D I have. No Band coin.

Ken

Broadstruck · April 13, 2008 3:13AM

Broadstruck..can you magnify the 19-S like the 19-D?

No... as I can't get a close up with my point-n-shoot digital

Broadstruck · April 13, 2008 3:23AM

Here's another... these where the sellers pics.

This coin was purchased for the Mint Error, not the FSB as mostly all off centered Merc's have split bands.

However if I compare the two 1919-S Merc's central bands with a 10X loupe they are split almost about the same.

Broadstruck · April 13, 2008 3:58AM

Fairlaneman, That's a Mighty handsome 1919-D!

Fairlaneman · April 13, 2008 4:42AM

Broadstruck look at the right side of the second 19S that you posted. It appears to be much stronger than the first coin. Mercs along with roosevelts must have strong details on the outer edge before the FB designation is given. Thats my take anyway. Just a nominal split will not do it. Many people grade the series as FB with the nominal split. Wonder why?

Thanks on the 19D. It came from a forumn member via the BST forum. Recently graded by PCGS as a MS62. Yep.....

Ken

Fairlaneman · April 13, 2008 4:50AM

Heck as long as we are on FB mercs here is a perfect example of why a Merc will not, or should not, go FB with the PCGS and NGC graders. This one did not at PCGS and rightfully so. The coin is FB alll day long strike wise.

Ken

yellowjacket · April 13, 2008 7:41AM

I saw the 19-D 64FB pictured for sale. It is a good example of the point I made and why I passed (besides the distracting diagonal marks). TPG will slab marginal SLQ and Mercs as fully struck. Those that choose to buy marginally struck coins slabbed as Full Head and Full Split Bands will not attract the same number of buyers when it comes time to sell. Avid collectors of these series are looking for meat for their money. I expect to pay big money anytime I come across those I describe. And there IS a big difference between bands on a 19-D and a 42-D Merc!

Just my humble opinion.
Garrow

fcloud · May 11, 2008 1:55AM

Hey better late than never. Here is the 19-S Ken mentioned. The coin has an awesome strike, but misses full bands, not by much, but it misses. There is a bit of weakness on the right side of the center band. This is a high end MS66. If compared to the late 1930's and the 1940's coin, the coin would grade higher everytime. Enjoy!

Broadstruck · May 11, 2008 2:22AM

I didn't have the coin in hand when I posted this thread as it was locked in the SDB... here's a close-up and I guess I recall it being more split while it was housed in lock down.

Broadstruck · May 11, 2008 2:29AM

Sorry these pics are Crude as they are shot through a 10 power loupe.

fcloud · May 11, 2008 2:46AM

Definitely not full, but very nice for a very tough date! You can't tell from my photo, but there is only two very tinyl spots were the center bands barely touch.

yellowjacket · May 11, 2008 9:45AM

Nice pics!

Garrow

ILikeMercs · May 11, 2008 10:08AM

nope.

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