If the Fed goes under. I for one, will be dancing in the street! As RR has pointed out they are an illegitimate org whose main contribution has been to run the $ into the ground. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned.
It will not to be economy that dooms but the environment. Also maintaining are superpower status could also be are downfall. Half the budget goes to defense. I have to work until March just to pay my share for the Iraq blunder. What kind of twisted upside down bizzaro world are we living in.
From what I understand, if the FEDs fail, the general economy would go way before them as they own this country! Interest rates would rise to unprecedented levels and every company in the country would be on the brink of bankrupcty. Jobs would simply not exist and the country would be thrown into a severe depression similar to the 1930's!
The Federal Reserve Bank is a privately owned Bank that lends money to the Federal Government on an "as needed basis" and they are no more a part of the Federal Government than Federal Express is.
<< <i>Good God, how many apocalyptic predictions can we possibly have? >>
It's not apocalyptic, it's simply a reality.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
From what I understand, if the FEDs fail, the general economy would go way before them as they own this country! Interest rates would rise to unprecedented levels and every company in the country would be on the brink of bankrupcty. Jobs would simply not exist and the country would be thrown into a severe depression similar to the 1930's!
The Federal Reserve Bank is a privately owned Bank that lends money to the Federal Government on an "as needed basis" and they are no more a part of the Federal Government than Federal Express is.
<< <i>Good God, how many apocalyptic predictions can we possibly have? >>
Member banks are required to own shares of the Federal Reserve and keep a sum of money on deposit (Fed Reserve Requirement) which is in proportion to the amount of money each member bank has in circulation.
<< <i>The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, ; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year. owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan >>
What happens if the sun flares up and then we all get cooked? What happens if a meteorite crashes down and we all die? What happens to the PM market if the bird flu kills off billions?
I would most humbly suggest that you get you head out and quick!
heh, mrearlygold - I was speaking about your 'nice' dream of how things 'could' be if someone like Ron Paul was prez. I completely wish the same thing, but we know we won't be that lucky.
p.s. I don't drink, so guess no meeting are necessary eh?
<< <i>heh, mrearlygold - I was speaking about your 'nice' dream of how things 'could' be if someone like Ron Paul was prez. I completely wish the same thing, but we know we won't be that lucky.
p.s. I don't drink, so guess no meeting are necessary eh? >>
Then I confess to being a Dreamer Mr Moonshine and good to meet a fellow dreamer like yourself
Radical Muslims and born again Christians are a little too much for me. Those that do not drink may be better off health-wise but they, in my view, are afraid of what they might say with a little alcohol in them. Alcohol lets it all out, good and bad (do I really have to go through all this, hell, look at me) and I have been screwed in my business by those that were TOO GOOD to drink but not too good not to try to swindle me. Like I said, non-drinkers are NEVER to be trusted. Ever! Period! End of story! They will sell you undergraded coins to your face and sell you crap if you happen to smell of booze. Beware!!!
Dustycoinbox said it and if you think about it its true. The Federal Reserve Bank is owned by "bankers". Their sole job is to make money and the Federal Government enables them to do just that.
They typically are allowed to loan more money than the actually have on deposit. For me, it would be illegal if I were to have say a million on tap and then loan out 10 million of it via printing my own currency bu that is exactly what the Federal Reserve Bank does except it's primary customer is the Federal Government. As a matter of fact, private citizens can no longer do transactions with the Federal Reserve Bank, only member banks are allowed this luxury.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
You can trust me way more now than when I used to drink. >>
Why? Because you are SO MUCH better?
You are who you are and rarely does someone truly repent. Only if it makes them "seem" to be a "better" person in the eyes of those they respect. Anyone that was controlled by this beast and has since conquered this has my total respect and more so. If this is not the case then don't preach to me as a little firewater keeps the sinuses’ clear.
Each bank that becomes a member has to buy shares of stock in the fed. The 12 Federal reserve banks are quasi-public banks which blend private ownership and public control. Each Federal Reserve Bank is owned by the private commercial banks in it's district.
I guess if the FED gets real desperate they can always bring in the cash kahunas (like Exxon and Chevron) to consolidate those troubled investment bankers!
What a deal! Just imagine making a pit stop at your local neighborhood Exxon/Chase/BearStearns Station--> A Full Service Station providing nearly all the necessities of life: Loans & Liquor, Food & Fuel, Coins & Currency.
As them politicians say, "All options should be on the table."
What kind of twisted upside down bizzaro world are we living in.
Um, you DO have a point. We've been on a slippery slope long enough that when you start thinking about where we are in relation to where we started, it seems bizzare.
However, in terms of relativity - when we compare where we are now with where we were yesterday, it seems pretty normal.
So, does that mean nobody has enough common sense left to be truly scared of what is now the status quo?
Or, does it mean that the status quo is simply the normal progression of societal development?
In answer to that hypothetical question, I can only say that I continue to buy PMs. I guess that means that I am not only a conservative, but a reactionary.
Who'd have ever guessed?
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
Actually, the bailouts of wall street investment banks as well as people who for one reason or another have become upside down in their houses/properties is happening without so much as a peep from our "representatives" in Congress.
Hence, everyone here WILL work more years of their lives now to pay the taxes ( whther directly or indirectly ) which will be implemented to support a whole new wave of strangers and companies with this even deeper thrust into a more socialist environment here in the US.
That's not capiltalism or freedom or within the basic ideas that formed this country.
hence, everyone here WILL work more years of their lives now to pay the taxes ( whther directly or indirectly ) which will be implemented to support a while new wave strangers and companies
I believe we are in the "me generation". This is exactly what Congress is conveying through their fiscal policies. We won't be paying for our mistakes but it will be the next generation that will take on the burden we are causing now.
<< <i>hence, everyone here WILL work more years of their lives now to pay the taxes ( whther directly or indirectly ) which will be implemented to support a while new wave strangers and companies
I believe we are in the "me generation". This is exactly what Congress is conveying through their fiscal policies. We won't be paying for our mistakes but it will be the next generation that will take on the burden we are causing now. >>
We won't? So "we"re" not paying more in taxes? Not having to deal with a higher cost of living because of fed policy? Really?
I feel so relieved now. Thank you for illuminating that
IF the Fed were to go under, I would assume that Walras law would become reality.
In short, folks will not worry about portable wealth as defined by gold or silver. Exchange items or bartar would be things like, water, food, fuel, guns etc
The circumstances for the FED to go under would cause an incredible public reaction.
<< <i>Actually, the bailouts of wall street investment banks as well as people who for one reason or another have become upside down in their houses/properties is happening without so much as a peep from our "representatives" in Congress.
Hence, everyone here WILL work more years of their lives now to pay the taxes ( whther directly or indirectly ) which will be implemented to support a while new wave strangers and companies
That's not capiltalism or freedom or within the basic ideas that formed this country. >>
Precisely. People don't like numbers. All that stuff is soooooo boring compared to watching The Biggest Loser.
The way to profit from this current economic situation that the country is in is to........
Have assets that are undervalued and are desirous of those with strengthening foreign currencies to buy.
Identifying those assets, acquiring them and disposing of them will take a little skill.
Quite a few asset classes look real cheap from abroad. And they are getter more affordable by the day. We just do not see it from up close in many cases.
Retailers in this country who depend on imports better start watching out. Many will probably take a hit if they sit still.
<< <i>The way to profit from this current economic situation that the country is in is to........
Have assets that are undervalued and are desirous of those with strengthening foreign currencies to buy.
Identifying those assets, acquiring them and disposing of them will take a little skill.
Quite a few asset classes look real cheap from abroad. And they are getter more affordable by the day. We just do not see it from up close in many cases.
Retailers in this country who depend on imports better start watching out. Many will probably take a hit if they sit still.
jmho >>
Well if the future is anything like the present then you can't do better than modern darkside coins.
Member banks are required to own shares of the Federal Reserve and keep a sum of money on deposit (Fed Reserve Requirement) which is in proportion to the amount of money each member bank has in circulation.
<< <i>The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, ; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year. owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan >>
Yeah, I figured it was something like that. When people say that it's a privately owned company and so forth, the implication is that it's being run by the gnomes of Zurich or some secret cabal bent on world conquest. The reality, as is usually the case, is much more banal.
the federal reserve really won't go under, because central banks run the world, they control governments, and have for a very, very long time now.
The problem won't get blamed on fractional reserve central banking, it will be blamed on us for taking on too much debt.. after all, nobody held a gun to our heads and forced us to take on debt.
But we are bankrupt.... if you've got money in banks and think the FDIC is going to save your ass.. well short term treasuries are your friend.. or perhaps foreign currencies.
The FED is probably already bankrupt just like all the other large banks and investment brokerages. They just won't admit it yet. So how can the FED go under again???
In any case since the FED prints worthless money for our obligations, why not just do this ourselves and keep the interest? What difference does it make? We can print up a few hundred billion dollars for ourselves just as good as the FED tells the treasury to do. We can hit the same key strokes at US banks to provide instant money as well. What's the big deal? The FED doesn't operate for profit? That may be true if you don't consider taking over all the world's financial assets and gold to be be "profitable?" FED=JPM=Goldman=Barrick=Bilderbergs=Carlyle Group=...........????
Who owns the FED?
Big....Old-time.....Money. Think Rothschilds, Warburgs, Morgans, Old London town, Rockefellers, etc. This is the real money behind the Federal Reserve. Europe and England in general were tickled pink to get control over the US's currency in 1913 after losing it in the 18th century.
Jobs would simply not exist and the country would be thrown into a severe depression similar to the 1930's!
Let's not forget that without the FED, there would have been no massive over-indulgence in liquidity and credit in the 1916-1929 period and hence no great depression. The FED caused it. So to suggest that losing the FED at this point would result in a depression is truly ironic. Things are so hosed up because of their antics over the past 15 years that we get to a depression/severe deflation with them or without them. How strange is that?
Interesting article with some great quotes by Warburg (1935), President Garfield, and American Banker's Assoc. president (1956) about the evils of the FED. It is quite striking on what Garfield stated in the 1800's as it perfectly foretold what a FED-entity could and would do. Who'd have thunk a yellow cat could be so smart? Even some snippets from FDR before he got in office that hinted that he talked out the side of his mouth about gold only to do just the opposite once in office (didn't even wait 90 days to can gold).
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<< <i>Forget the bread and the rice......SOYLENT GREEN!
Three per day per person.
Actually I think that Harrison Bergeron is more precise. But that's my opinion.
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US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
Box of 20
<< <i>What happens if the FED goes under? >>
From what I understand, if the FEDs fail, the general economy would go way before them as they own this country! Interest rates would rise to unprecedented levels and every company in the country would be on the brink of bankrupcty. Jobs would simply not exist and the country would be thrown into a severe depression similar to the 1930's!
The Federal Reserve Bank is a privately owned Bank that lends money to the Federal Government on an "as needed basis" and they are no more a part of the Federal Government than Federal Express is.
<< <i>Good God, how many apocalyptic predictions can we possibly have? >>
It's not apocalyptic, it's simply a reality.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>
<< <i>What happens if the FED goes under? >>
From what I understand, if the FEDs fail, the general economy would go way before them as they own this country! Interest rates would rise to unprecedented levels and every company in the country would be on the brink of bankrupcty. Jobs would simply not exist and the country would be thrown into a severe depression similar to the 1930's!
The Federal Reserve Bank is a privately owned Bank that lends money to the Federal Government on an "as needed basis" and they are no more a part of the Federal Government than Federal Express is.
<< <i>Good God, how many apocalyptic predictions can we possibly have? >>
It's not apocalyptic, it's simply a reality. >>
Who owns the Fed?
Maybe we should outsource the FED, to FEDEX?
Camelot
I got a recipe for boot, too
Practice makes perfect & nobody is perfect. So, practice being nobody and be perfect !
<< <i>At least FEDEX seems to know what its doing.
Maybe we should outsource the FED, to FEDEX? >>
Nah, the Chinese are even better counterfeiters than the FED. And at least they've been creating/manufacturing things other than funny money.
They're now doing GOLD.
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US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
and mrearlygold and roadrunner are dreamers
uh oh!
<< <i>I'm sorry Bear but that wasn't even funny.
and mrearlygold and roadrunner are dreamers >>
Don't drink and go to meetings moonshine
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
<< <i>Who owns the Fed? >>
Member banks are required to own shares of the Federal Reserve and keep a sum of money on deposit (Fed Reserve Requirement) which is in proportion to the amount of money each member bank has in circulation.
<< <i>The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, ; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year. owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan >>
Source: Federal Reserve Board FAQ
History of the US Constitution Coin Set
I would most humbly suggest that you get you head out and quick!
p.s. I don't drink, so guess no meeting are necessary eh?
The Government will not fail
The Nation will continue to exist
The sun will rise tomorrow , to be followed
by increasing darkness as night falls.
The stock market will fall and then it will rise
Gold and silver will fluctuate, quiver, rattle shake
and role.
ALL, WILL IN TIME, BE WELL!
Camelot
<< <i>heh, mrearlygold - I was speaking about your 'nice' dream of how things 'could' be if someone like Ron Paul was prez. I completely wish the same thing, but we know we won't be that lucky.
p.s. I don't drink, so guess no meeting are necessary eh? >>
Then I confess to being a Dreamer Mr Moonshine and good to meet a fellow dreamer like yourself
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
both Roosevelts, Truman and Eisenhower, our form of
government seems to be inconsistent with rational, honest,
caring and intelligent, elected officials.
Camelot
Radical Muslims and born again Christians are a little too much for me. Those that do not drink may be better off health-wise but they, in my view, are afraid of what they might say with a little alcohol in them. Alcohol lets it all out, good and bad (do I really have to go through all this, hell, look at me) and I have been screwed in my business by those that were TOO GOOD to drink but not too good not to try to swindle me. Like I said, non-drinkers are NEVER to be trusted. Ever! Period! End of story! They will sell you undergraded coins to your face and sell you crap if you happen to smell of booze. Beware!!!
Camelot
You can trust me way more now than when I used to drink.
<< <i>Who owns the Fed? >>
Dustycoinbox said it and if you think about it its true. The Federal Reserve Bank is owned by "bankers". Their sole job is to make money and the Federal Government enables them to do just that.
They typically are allowed to loan more money than the actually have on deposit. For me, it would be illegal if I were to have say a million on tap and then loan out 10 million of it via printing my own currency bu that is exactly what the Federal Reserve Bank does except it's primary customer is the Federal Government. As a matter of fact, private citizens can no longer do transactions with the Federal Reserve Bank, only member banks are allowed this luxury.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Griv oh Griv - get a grip.
You can trust me way more now than when I used to drink. >>
Why? Because you are SO MUCH better?
You are who you are and rarely does someone truly repent. Only if it makes them "seem" to be a "better" person in the eyes of those they respect. Anyone that was controlled by this beast and has since conquered this has my total respect and more so. If this is not the case then don't preach to me as a little firewater keeps the sinuses’ clear.
Most of us are simply shadows and dust anyway.
Each bank that becomes a member has to buy shares of stock in the fed. The 12 Federal reserve banks are quasi-public banks which blend private ownership and public control. Each Federal Reserve Bank is owned by the private commercial banks in it's district.
<< <i>Listen people, the Fed will not go broke >>
I guess if the FED gets real desperate they can always bring in the cash kahunas
(like Exxon and Chevron) to consolidate those troubled investment bankers!
What a deal! Just imagine making a pit stop at your local neighborhood
Exxon/Chase/BearStearns Station--> A Full Service Station providing nearly
all the necessities of life: Loans & Liquor, Food & Fuel, Coins & Currency.
As them politicians say, "All options should be on the table."
Um, you DO have a point. We've been on a slippery slope long enough that when you start thinking about where we are in relation to where we started, it seems bizzare.
However, in terms of relativity - when we compare where we are now with where we were yesterday, it seems pretty normal.
So, does that mean nobody has enough common sense left to be truly scared of what is now the status quo?
Or, does it mean that the status quo is simply the normal progression of societal development?
In answer to that hypothetical question, I can only say that I continue to buy PMs. I guess that means that I am not only a conservative, but a reactionary.
Who'd have ever guessed?
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Our kids will be learning Chinese? >>
The next 50 years..China will own the US .....they now have many hundreds of billions $$$$ of US debt now , and more piling up each year
Hence, everyone here WILL work more years of their lives now to pay the taxes ( whther directly or indirectly ) which will be implemented to support a whole new wave of strangers and companies with this even deeper thrust into a more socialist environment here in the US.
That's not capiltalism or freedom or within the basic ideas that formed this country.
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
I believe we are in the "me generation". This is exactly what Congress is conveying through their fiscal policies. We won't be paying for our mistakes but it will be the next generation that will take on the burden we are causing now.
Box of 20
<< <i>hence, everyone here WILL work more years of their lives now to pay the taxes ( whther directly or indirectly ) which will be implemented to support a while new wave strangers and companies
I believe we are in the "me generation". This is exactly what Congress is conveying through their fiscal policies. We won't be paying for our mistakes but it will be the next generation that will take on the burden we are causing now. >>
We won't? So "we"re" not paying more in taxes? Not having to deal with a higher cost of living because of fed policy? Really?
I feel so relieved now. Thank you for illuminating that
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
Box of 20
In short, folks will not worry about portable wealth as defined by gold or silver. Exchange items or bartar would be things like, water, food, fuel, guns etc
The circumstances for the FED to go under would cause an incredible public reaction.
<< <i>Its a given that we are paying higher taxes that is obvious. But it will be worse for the next generation. >>
Cry me a river
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US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
<< <i>
<< <i>Its a given that we are paying higher taxes that is obvious. But it will be worse for the next generation. >>
Cry me a river
LMAO
interesting debate topic, i suppose but IF it did there would be anarchy and a surge in militia sales.
...so buy bullet related commodities with either Euros, PM's or barter with pints of gasoline.
<< <i>Actually, the bailouts of wall street investment banks as well as people who for one reason or another have become upside down in their houses/properties is happening without so much as a peep from our "representatives" in Congress.
Hence, everyone here WILL work more years of their lives now to pay the taxes ( whther directly or indirectly ) which will be implemented to support a while new wave strangers and companies
That's not capiltalism or freedom or within the basic ideas that formed this country. >>
Precisely. People don't like numbers. All that stuff is soooooo boring compared to watching The Biggest Loser.
NSDR - Life Member
SSDC - Life Member
ANA - Pay As I Go Member
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
The Government puts on a dog and pony show
The average working folks are left out in the cold
The talking heads and investment gurus say buy stocks
Nothing much has changed in 5,000 years.
Camelot
<< <i>You have a greater possibility of being eaten by a chupacabra than the FED going under. >>
chupacabra
To some, there are similarities. FED chairman = chupacabra
The U.S. Treasury might be in better shape.............
I knew it would happen.
Have assets that are undervalued and are desirous of those with strengthening foreign currencies to buy.
Identifying those assets, acquiring them and disposing of them will take a little skill.
Quite a few asset classes look real cheap from abroad. And they are getter more affordable by the day.
We just do not see it from up close in many cases.
Retailers in this country who depend on imports better start watching out. Many will probably take a hit if they sit still.
jmho
Go Phillies
<< <i>The way to profit from this current economic situation that the country is in is to........
Have assets that are undervalued and are desirous of those with strengthening foreign currencies to buy.
Identifying those assets, acquiring them and disposing of them will take a little skill.
Quite a few asset classes look real cheap from abroad. And they are getter more affordable by the day.
We just do not see it from up close in many cases.
Retailers in this country who depend on imports better start watching out. Many will probably take a hit if they sit still.
jmho >>
Well if the future is anything like the present then you
can't do better than modern darkside coins.
What, Me Worry?
What happens if the FED goes under?
They will be FedEx?
<< <i>
<< <i>Who owns the Fed? >>
Member banks are required to own shares of the Federal Reserve and keep a sum of money on deposit (Fed Reserve Requirement) which is in proportion to the amount of money each member bank has in circulation.
<< <i>The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, ; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year. owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan >>
Source: Federal Reserve Board FAQ >>
Yeah, I figured it was something like that. When people say that it's a privately owned company and so forth, the implication is that it's being run by the gnomes of Zurich or some secret cabal bent on world conquest. The reality, as is usually the case, is much more banal.
Who will ship the Presidential dollars to member banks?
Steve
The problem won't get blamed on fractional reserve central banking, it will be blamed on us for taking on too much debt.. after all, nobody held a gun to our heads and forced us to take on debt.
But we are bankrupt.... if you've got money in banks and think the FDIC is going to save your ass.. well short term treasuries are your friend.. or perhaps foreign currencies.
LINK
In any case since the FED prints worthless money for our obligations, why not just do this ourselves and keep the interest? What difference does it make? We can print up a few hundred billion dollars for ourselves just as good as the FED tells the treasury to do. We can hit the same key strokes at US banks to provide instant money as well. What's the big deal? The FED doesn't operate for profit? That may be true if you don't consider taking over all the world's financial assets and gold to be be "profitable?" FED=JPM=Goldman=Barrick=Bilderbergs=Carlyle Group=...........????
Who owns the FED?
Big....Old-time.....Money. Think Rothschilds, Warburgs, Morgans, Old London town, Rockefellers, etc. This is the real money behind the Federal Reserve. Europe and England in general were tickled pink to get control over the US's currency in 1913 after losing it in the 18th century.
Jobs would simply not exist and the country would be thrown into a severe depression similar to the 1930's!
Let's not forget that without the FED, there would have been no massive over-indulgence in liquidity and credit in the 1916-1929 period and hence no great depression. The FED caused it. So to suggest that losing the FED at this point would result in a depression is truly ironic. Things are so hosed up because of their antics over the past 15 years that we get to a depression/severe deflation with them or without them. How strange is that?
Dr. Fekete chimes in on the FED and the great depression
Interesting article with some great quotes by Warburg (1935), President Garfield, and American Banker's Assoc. president (1956) about the evils of the FED. It is quite striking on what Garfield stated in the 1800's as it perfectly foretold what a FED-entity could and would do. Who'd have thunk a yellow cat could be so smart?
Even some snippets from FDR before he got in office that hinted that he talked out the side of his mouth about gold only to do just the opposite once in office (didn't even wait 90 days to can gold).
roadrunner
100?