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Why is there all this talk about melting gold and platinum coins. Melting costs money. Why would you pay $$ when they are easy to sell as a coin. Please help me understand this logic.
RD Cooper

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  • << <i>Why is there all this talk about melting gold and platinum coins. Melting costs money. Why would you pay $$ when they are easy to sell as a coin. Please help me understand this logic. >>




    End users need metal, not bullion coins to plate electronics, and make catalytic converters.
  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some of the new investment vehicles, like ETFs, require that metals be in bar form. To the extent people invest in these, coins will have to be melted. I think this is quite interesting and something that could make it " different this time".
    ANA-LM, NBS, EAC
  • Major purchasers tend to purchase bullion in standard 400 oz ingots.


  • << <i>Major purchasers tend to purchase bullion in standard 400 oz ingots. >>



    That's usually what I do when I cash in my piggy bank at the end of every year image


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    << <i>Major purchasers tend to purchase bullion in standard 400 oz ingots. >>



    That's usually what I do when I cash in my piggy bank at the end of every year image >>



    You must have one big-honkin piggy bank.
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    Some of the older ones have little to no premium above melt. They were bought at a fraction of melt and people are having a hard time selling. Hence the melting option.

    oh and the above stuff sounds good too.
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why is there all this talk about melting gold and platinum coins. Melting costs money. Why would you pay $$ when they are easy to sell as a coin. Please help me understand this logic. >>



    Sometimes the term "melt" is used as a way to describe what the coins will value at, not their eventual destiny.

    E.g. "I paid him 5% back of melt for those ex-jewelry $5 Libs, but I had to go 5 over melt for the $10 Indians"

    This applies to silver, too - but normally only on pre-1965 90%, non-numismatic silver.

    Make sense?



    Edited for a dropped t
  • pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461
    Jewelers have melted tons of gold coins.
    Natural gas heat is all it takes--cheap.
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,733 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Generally the melting occurs when the premium for the metal in bars is sufficiently
    high to warrant the destruction of coin. Coins are a convenient way to own metal
    and can be melted for other reasons such as their general availability or because
    they get redeemed for their high face values. Many world gold coins have face val-
    ues well in excess of their metallic value and these have been getting destroyed for
    decades now.

    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.

  • About 16-17 years ago I did 1000 pc orders for Home Shopping Club in my garage, nothing fancy, just ladies colored stone rings, it was cheaper to melt bullion coins and alloy it ourselves then it was to pay a premium for 14 karat casting grain,

    We melted a hell of a lot of coins back then.......all bullion....eagles....maple leaf.
  • HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Why is there all this talk about melting gold and platinum coins. Melting costs money. Why would you pay $$ when they are easy to sell as a coin. Please help me understand this logic. >>



    it's just a rough estimate of the inherent value of the coin. I wouldn't get hung up on the semantics.

    if there's any aspect remotely collectable about the coin, or even how pretty the design is why people would argue "why can I only get melt for this thing, look how pretty!"
  • HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭
    I gotta start reading all replies before adding my (duplicate) .02
  • YaHaYaHa Posts: 4,220
    I melt my metals in bars. I want to be prepared when China invades the U.S.
  • Right now, the primary gold coins that are being melted are the modern commemoratives.

    The $5 and $10 face value coins that were sold in sets by the US Mint.

    Used to be, you could buy them for right at melt on the Bay they were so common. I know I bought an awful lot of them a few years ago. That may still be true, I haven't looked in a while.

    Those are currently being melted at alarming rates, but there were so many of them minted that it will be a long, long time before they gain any numismatic value due to their rarity. If they ever do become rare.

    I can buy them at below melt from local B&M shops as they are being overloaded with short sighted sellers wanting to cash in on the small amounts of gold they own and the dealers have a great deal of capital tied up in them. I saw a bag with over 300 $5 commems in it just last Saturday. All of them were still in their tiny clear plastic Mint holders.

    I often wonder just what sort of older US Coins are actually in the Silver Eagles, since the Mint is buying on the open market to produce those, I'm sure they consist of coins, jewelry and old tea sets, etc.
    "Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff

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