<< <i>No you are not anything over 200 dollars has to be sent with signature confirmation. >>
The correct figure is $250 and that includes any freight charges - if the PayPal amount is $250 even or over, it must have signature confirmation or PayPal will basically automatically side with the buyer in a dispute over not receiving an item - case closed.
The signature for the insurance will not mean anything to Paypal. I have taken that dance with Paypal before and lost about 400.00 due to believing the insurance signature would protect me. If they cannot view it online they will not consider it.
<< <i>The signature for the insurance will not mean anything to Paypal. I have taken that dance with Paypal before and lost about 400.00 due to believing the insurance signature would protect me. If they cannot view it online they will not consider it. >>
I know that I can "see" the actual signature online at the usps intranet. It's possible that I can link that sig to paypal if push comes to shove, and I would think that if the buyer files a claim and is shown a scan of his signature that he might suddenly remember receiving the box. At the very least I'm sure I can make a copy of the signature.
If I signed an online affadavit that I didn't receive something and was shown a copy of my signature and threatened with a visit from a postal inspector it wouldn't take very long for me to change my mind. USPS is busy but with something that blatant and easy to prove they just might find a spare minute or 2.
"The signature for the insurance will not mean anything to Paypal. I have taken that dance with Paypal before and lost about 400.00 due to believing the insurance signature would protect me. If they cannot view it online they will not consider it. "
<< <i>The signature for the insurance will not mean anything to Paypal. I have taken that dance with Paypal before and lost about 400.00 due to believing the insurance signature would protect me. If they cannot view it online they will not consider it. >>
I know that I can "see" the actual signature online at the usps intranet. It's possible that I can link that sig to paypal if push comes to shove, and I would think that if the buyer files a claim and is shown a scan of his signature that he might suddenly remember receiving the box. At the very least I'm sure I can make a copy of the signature.
If I signed an online affadavit that I didn't receive something and was shown a copy of my signature and threatened with a visit from a postal inspector it wouldn't take very long for me to change my mind. USPS is busy but with something that blatant and easy to prove they just might find a spare minute or 2. >>
That did not work for me. It is on the USPS internal network.. Paypal requires you to be able to view it just by typing in the confirmation numbers. I did file mail fraud charges on the person, but that was a joke.. I was told a few years back by a postmaster that if it is not over 5K the USPS inspectors will not give it a second look. Then again this is the same person who tells customers that Money Orders have to be mailed via priority mail.
<< <i> I was told a few years back by a postmaster that if it is not over 5K the USPS inspectors will not give it a second look. Then again this is the same person who tells customers that Money Orders have to be mailed via priority mail. >>
Between you and me, sometimes it seems like they find people who are incapable of delivering mail and turn them into supervisors. Not always but it happens a lot.
If the postmaster makes a call, 99% of the time something happens. The postal inspectors are very busy with more important things but when it's so incredibly easy to prove they might just take a look.
I can access the usps intranet and download/make copies etc. Done it before for people here with good success. Might not convince paypal because they're idiots, but I have to think most buyers would be concerned.
Leiascards seems to be the only voice of reason on this entire thread. I alway use registered mail beyond $900 because it is cheaper (and much more reliable) beyond that point than standard insurance.
Furthermore, the most anyone should charge for shipping is $9.00 for flat rate Priority Mail. That will easily ship 11 cards.
I've dealt with this buyer with no problems whatsoever.
I'll just close by saying if any of you don't want to quibble over $4 with a guy who has just given you $1300 worth of business, by all means block him from bidding on your auctions and please send him my way.
Can someone answer these questions please. No big run ons just answers please. Thanks in advance. 1. For a card worth $500 it would have to be insured with signature confirmation to satisfy PAYPAL. Yes or No. 2. How about insurance with delivery confirmation to satisfy Paypal. Yes or No. 3. How about registered mail to satisfy Paypal. Yes or No.
6. For a card worth $200 it would only need delivery confirmation to satisfy Paypal. Yes or No. 7. For a card worth $200 it would need insurance and del. confirmation to satisfy Paypal. Yes or No. 8. If President Bush delivers the card on national tv to the CEO of Paypal does that satisfy Paypal. Bush did not use sig con. and the card was worth $350. Yes or No.
I can understand the points that people are making regarding the seller charging too much etc.
However, I think the real point here is that the buyer KNEW what the shipping charges were and tried to stiff the seller AFTER he won the auction. Everything else is irrelavant. As a buyer, if you don't like the stated terms, DON'T BID, or ASK for a discount BEFORE you bid. Just wait until May 1st. ALL shipping charges will be negotiable then, you know, as ebay says, just like a real marketplace, where buyers at auctions negotiate fees, shipping, taxes etc.
<< <i>I can understand the points that people are making regarding the seller charging too much etc.
However, I think the real point here is that the buyer KNEW what the shipping charges were and tried to stiff the seller AFTER he won the auction. Everything else is irrelavant. As a buyer, if you don't like the stated terms, DON'T BID, or ASK for a discount BEFORE you bid. Just wait until May 1st. ALL shipping charges will be negotiable then, you know, as ebay says, just like a real marketplace, where buyers at auctions negotiate fees, shipping, taxes etc. >>
Who charged too much? I don't understand. The bill at the post office along with the packaging materials didn't cover what he paid me. I guarantee that 90% of the sellers who charge less also don't do as considerate and protective packaging job as I do. I bought over 3,000 cards on Ebay. I've paid more quite a bit and recieved poor packaging jobs. I was charges less and received a poor packaging jobs. The only fella on this thread who has bought a card from me raved about the card and the job I did packaging...and had no problem with the $4 he was charged for shipping.
...and the last couple fellas are right. He knew what he was supposed to pay and held me hostage for it. That was the point of the thread that I started (by the way). I figured that the board would find it interesting. I'm not whining in my soup over $4. It was the way the douche handled the situation that was problematic. He certainly could have asked for shipping break since he bought so many cards and I probably would have hooked him up if he was NICE about it...but he wasn't...and he hasn't been to other sellers in the past. THAT was MY point.
I also agree with you the buyer is a jerk... I was also trying to make the point there might be better ways to ship cards... + 20 bucks sounds like a lot to ship 11 cards out, I mean PSA does not even charge me that to ship all my cards back to me.
You have the right to charge what ever you want for shipping and the buyer new that, if he had a problem with that he should have ask the question before bidding.
good luck and I hope everything works out and you are able to put it behind you.
Thanks. Just for clarification though...one last time. The $20+ for shipping of the ELEVEN cards also included $1300 worth of insurance. That is not expensive. That is the exact cost.
I think a big part of the problem is that the seller doesn't put a ceiling on his postage - which I believe one would be wise to do. Why keep charging your best customer?
Hypothetically, if I bought 50 cards from a dealer and had to pay $53 in postage alone, based on the rates in question (and that's not including insurance), and received them in a Flat Rate Priority box that cost around $8 to $9 to mail I would not be a happy customer.
I wasn't going to throw my hat into this ring, but I just wanted to offer a hypothetical situation.
Let say this buyer only really needed 10 of your cards and not 11, and the 11th card was a high dollar item whose bid increases by $25 increments. I'm not sure where that stars, but lets say its at the $250 level. If he doesn't bid that item stays at $250, but if he bids $275, and the other bidders max is well over that, now your item is at $300 because of him, and he just made you an extra $50 without even winning it. It is very possible he bid on more than just the 11 cards he won and made you some extra bucks without winning.
Im not saying this guy isn't a pain in the rear, or that he should demand anything, but bending a little from the rigidity of your shipping structure wouldnt have hurt you too bad.
What the auction said----> what the buyer should pay.
I have no problem with the sellers adding a little handling costs to the shipping charges. So many people on ebay think that YOU as a seller are there to build their collection and you should do it at little or no cost. I love the guys that get $3k in cards for a buy price of $1.5k and then complain about the shipping. If you think shipping cost are too high...call the USPS and do it, not to a seller whose rates are clearly listed.
If someone wants to charge $100 to send a package, let them, but dont bid and expect them to lower it. The buyer in this instance is a real douche. He's the same guy that goes into a buffet, eats three plates of food and then complain to the owner that there wasnt a good enough selection and wants a refund.
All of you are making a mistake if you don't place this menace on your blocked bidder lists. He has been on mine for more than a year after a friend warned me about him. He hands out one malicious negative for every 10 transactions. Plug his ID into Toolhaus and check out the havoc he has wreaked with feedback. When the new feedback policy takes place, this is one of those guys that will not only engage in feedback extortion, but he probably give you a straight 1 on DSR across the board, even if the transactions goes smoothly. Why? Because he can.
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<< <i>No you are not anything over 200 dollars has to be sent with signature confirmation. >>
The correct figure is $250 and that includes any freight charges - if the PayPal amount is $250 even or over, it must have signature confirmation or PayPal will basically automatically side with the buyer in a dispute over not receiving an item - case closed.
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<< <i>The signature for the insurance will not mean anything to Paypal. I have taken that dance with Paypal before and lost about 400.00 due to believing the insurance signature would protect me. If they cannot view it online they will not consider it. >>
I know that I can "see" the actual signature online at the usps intranet. It's possible that I can link that sig to paypal if push comes to shove, and I would think that if the buyer files a claim and is shown a scan of his signature that he might suddenly remember receiving the box. At the very least I'm sure I can make a copy of the signature.
If I signed an online affadavit that I didn't receive something and was shown a copy of my signature and threatened with a visit from a postal inspector it wouldn't take very long for me to change my mind. USPS is busy but with something that blatant and easy to prove they just might find a spare minute or 2.
that dance with Paypal before and lost about 400.00 due to believing the insurance
signature would protect me. If they cannot view it online they will not consider it. "
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It continues to amaze me that so MANY experienced sellers
simply do not understand how the thing works.
We have had this discussion here countless times. Yet, sellers
continue to risk their money by not following the rules.
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<< <i>The signature for the insurance will not mean anything to Paypal. I have taken that dance with Paypal before and lost about 400.00 due to believing the insurance signature would protect me. If they cannot view it online they will not consider it. >>
I know that I can "see" the actual signature online at the usps intranet. It's possible that I can link that sig to paypal if push comes to shove, and I would think that if the buyer files a claim and is shown a scan of his signature that he might suddenly remember receiving the box. At the very least I'm sure I can make a copy of the signature.
If I signed an online affadavit that I didn't receive something and was shown a copy of my signature and threatened with a visit from a postal inspector it wouldn't take very long for me to change my mind. USPS is busy but with something that blatant and easy to prove they just might find a spare minute or 2. >>
That did not work for me. It is on the USPS internal network.. Paypal requires you to be able to view it just by typing in the confirmation numbers. I did file mail fraud charges on the person, but that was a joke.. I was told a few years back by a postmaster that if it is not over 5K the USPS inspectors will not give it a second look. Then again this is the same person who tells customers that Money Orders have to be mailed via priority mail.
<< <i> I was told a few years back by a postmaster that if it is not over 5K the USPS inspectors will not give it a second look. Then again this is the same person who tells customers that Money Orders have to be mailed via priority mail. >>
Between you and me, sometimes it seems like they find people who are incapable of delivering mail and turn them into supervisors. Not always but it happens a lot.
If the postmaster makes a call, 99% of the time something happens. The postal inspectors are very busy with more important things but when it's so incredibly easy to prove they might just take a look.
I can access the usps intranet and download/make copies etc. Done it before for people here with good success. Might not convince paypal because they're idiots, but I have to think most buyers would be concerned.
Furthermore, the most anyone should charge for shipping is $9.00 for flat rate Priority Mail. That will easily ship 11 cards.
I've dealt with this buyer with no problems whatsoever.
I'll just close by saying if any of you don't want to quibble over $4 with a guy who has just given you $1300 worth of business, by all means block him from bidding on your auctions and please send him my way.
1. For a card worth $500 it would have to be insured with signature confirmation to satisfy PAYPAL. Yes or No.
2. How about insurance with delivery confirmation to satisfy Paypal. Yes or No.
3. How about registered mail to satisfy Paypal. Yes or No.
6. For a card worth $200 it would only need delivery confirmation to satisfy Paypal. Yes or No.
7. For a card worth $200 it would need insurance and del. confirmation to satisfy Paypal. Yes or No.
8. If President Bush delivers the card on national tv to the CEO of Paypal does that satisfy Paypal. Bush did not use sig con. and the card was worth $350. Yes or No.
However, I think the real point here is that the buyer KNEW what the shipping charges were and tried to stiff the seller AFTER he won the auction. Everything else is irrelavant. As a buyer, if you don't like the stated terms, DON'T BID, or ASK for a discount BEFORE you bid. Just wait until May 1st. ALL shipping charges will be negotiable then, you know, as ebay says, just like a real marketplace, where buyers at auctions negotiate fees, shipping, taxes etc.
<< <i>I can understand the points that people are making regarding the seller charging too much etc.
However, I think the real point here is that the buyer KNEW what the shipping charges were and tried to stiff the seller AFTER he won the auction. Everything else is irrelavant. As a buyer, if you don't like the stated terms, DON'T BID, or ASK for a discount BEFORE you bid. Just wait until May 1st. ALL shipping charges will be negotiable then, you know, as ebay says, just like a real marketplace, where buyers at auctions negotiate fees, shipping, taxes etc. >>
Ding ding ding ding
Winner!!!!
My latter posts only tried to be of some help
in telling you that boxes are free and flat rate is cheaper.
I have no idea where some of these other statements are coming from.
The bottom line is the guy bid and you told everyone upfront what to expect.
He may have won some cards because of your shipping policy for all we know.
Some people may not bid if a seller charges X.
Steve
I also agree with you the buyer is a jerk... I was also trying to make the point there might be better ways to ship cards... + 20 bucks sounds like a lot to ship 11 cards out, I mean PSA does not even charge me that to ship all my cards back to me.
You have the right to charge what ever you want for shipping and the buyer new that, if he had a problem with that he should have ask the question before bidding.
good luck and I hope everything works out and you are able to put it behind you.
No need to clarify, most of us knew that.
I think only one person didn't and he mentioned that registered mail
would have been the way to go.
However registered mail can take up to 14 days to get from point A to point B
so we can all imagine this buyer freaking everyday!
Steve
Hypothetically, if I bought 50 cards from a dealer and had to pay $53 in postage alone, based on the rates in question (and that's not including insurance), and received them in a Flat Rate Priority box that cost around $8 to $9 to mail I would not be a happy customer.
Let say this buyer only really needed 10 of your cards and not 11, and the 11th card was a high dollar item whose bid increases by $25 increments. I'm not sure where that stars, but lets say its at the $250 level. If he doesn't bid that item stays at $250, but if he bids $275, and the other bidders max is well over that, now your item is at $300 because of him, and he just made you an extra $50 without even winning it. It is very possible he bid on more than just the 11 cards he won and made you some extra bucks without winning.
Im not saying this guy isn't a pain in the rear, or that he should demand anything, but bending a little from the rigidity of your shipping structure wouldnt have hurt you too bad.
I have no problem with the sellers adding a little handling costs to the shipping charges. So many people on ebay think that YOU as a seller are there to build their collection and you should do it at little or no cost. I love the guys that get $3k in cards for a buy price of $1.5k and then complain about the shipping. If you think shipping cost are too high...call the USPS and do it, not to a seller whose rates are clearly listed.
If someone wants to charge $100 to send a package, let them, but dont bid and expect them to lower it. The buyer in this instance is a real douche. He's the same guy that goes into a buffet, eats three plates of food and then complain to the owner that there wasnt a good enough selection and wants a refund.