People really buy the "game used jersey" concept is real?

AlmostPerfect · February 19, 2008 2:15PM

color me befuddled

WinPitcher · February 19, 2008 2:28PM

I think if they were BS some lawyer (s) would have done class action suits.

Or maybe they feel they can't prove it? I dunno.

Steve

Guru · February 19, 2008 2:30PM

I think you're right on some of them. I've noticed that the companies are now changing how they word things on the back of the cards.

Allen · February 19, 2008 3:03PM

A lot now is worded as "event worn material". I saw on ESPN a player at a shoot and he had like 50 pairs of shoes he had to put on and take off. I was thinking, wow you don't see that many shoe cards so imagine how many jerseys he has to put on.

mrbecker712 · February 19, 2008 3:10PM

I think a lot of it is real. You gotta think a cut up jersey with the small patches they use can make a good many cards.

BobaFett72 · February 19, 2008 3:12PM

i think a lot of it is smoke and mirrors

its also a crying shame to think they would destroy a babe ruth bat, ball or jersey to slap on card. destroying real memorabilia and producing cookie cutter crap.

WinPitcher · February 19, 2008 3:19PM

I have opened up 4 or 5 boxes of 2003 bazooka where you are guaranteed 3 'relic's
I have 3 Adam Dunns' and 2 Magglio Ordonez If I have that many dupes from 4 or 5 boxes can you imagine how many shirts were used to make those cards???

Steve

metalmike · February 19, 2008 3:33PM

Operation swatchit, now closed, claimed up to 5000 pieces per worn item. This was one of GAI's first claim to fame. The Britney Pepsi commercial cards still bring 10 bucks delivered to this day. I am still looking for a Petty race suit card................. Why not Britney used cards in 2008 Americana?????? Auto's too.

yankeeno7 · February 19, 2008 3:38PM

Cuz Brittney doesnt have any underpants for the "game used" cards! She wont give up any other clothes cuz she needs her own closet full for each of the psych hospitals within a 200 mile radius.

AlmostPerfect · February 19, 2008 6:16PM

<< Cuz Brittney doesnt have any underpants for the "game used" cards! She wont give up any other clothes cuz she needs her own closet full for each of the psych hospitals within a 200 mile radius. >>

she do'nt wear pamty's

bigfische · February 19, 2008 8:22PM

A defense for GU cards-

OK, suppose all GU cards are fake. Where does that leave you? With a pretty neat looking baseball card with a peice of material in/on it. Yeah, the Jersey is meaningless, but i think they have a nice look to most of them and lot of these cards are low numbered. So, lets compare that to refractors and other low numbered cards. I think that most GU cards look better than refractors (i know not all will agree) and in the end, you have a low numbered peice of cardboard with a peice of leather, nylon, wood etc, VS. a low numbered card with a nifty printing technology.

I know that was a hard to follow ramble. But, in the end, If all GU cards are fake then they are stil nice looking baseball cards that are worthless in the sense that every other baseball card is worthless. Neither have any intrinsic value. There is no difference between these cards, and any other set of cards that is collected because of its eye appeal.

bigfische · February 19, 2008 8:24PM

double post

Ladder7 · February 19, 2008 10:10PM

When and whom it eludes me as I've zero interest in these. But I've seen footage of players changing clean jerseys after every inning, drive or line change. I believe theses GU are legit -if from an unopened pack. I'm old school I reckon, cuz it seems so darn stupid.

JeremyDie1 · February 19, 2008 10:55PM

Gu cards are for sissys and posers. Me befuddled two.

clydecoolidge · February 19, 2008 11:25PM

I don't know, but I'll tell you one thing, the morons who think it's a swell idea to cut up a game used jersey of Ruth, Mantle, etc., deserve a kick in the scrote!!!

TomGshotput · February 20, 2008 2:02AM

They are as legitimate as most autographs you see for sale

jrinck · February 20, 2008 2:08AM

If a guy is changing his shirt fifty times per game just for the sole purpose of selling them as "game used", then that's a manufactured "rarity" and really defeats the whole purpose of the concept.

It's kind of like a hooker that tells you she loves you, all the while sleeping with hundreds of other guys and telling them the same thing.

JeremyDie1 · February 20, 2008 2:41AM

There are two classifications. Event used and game used. When the player is changing jerseys fifty times for a photo shoot it would therefore be considered event used.

yankeeno7 · February 20, 2008 2:44AM

<< They are as legitimate as most autographs you see for sale >>

Are you saying that the cuts of older players or even the certified autos of currant players out of packs are not legitimate?

TomGshotput · February 20, 2008 2:45AM

<< Are you saying that the cuts of older players or even the certified autos of currant players out of packs are not legitimate? >>

No

blades3 · February 20, 2008 3:03AM

I think the idea started out legit, but during the past few years I gotta believe some stuff has been fudged. When a company is looking the total costs of putting out a product and sees the $$$ required to get all legit game-used stuff and compares it to what that would cost at foot locker I think they've probably cheated quite a few times. I even question the HOF stuff. A company can afford to buy a Ruth jersey in auction for a lot of money as a PR type of thing to show they are getting legit stuff, but the rest of the jersey could all be Mitchell & Ness for all we know.

Morgoth · February 20, 2008 3:15AM

<< Are you saying that the cuts of older players or even the certified autos of currant players out of packs are not legitimate? >>

Actually Joe Orlando said yes in an article in the SMR a year or two ago. It seems that some cut autos pulled from packs were being sent to PSA for encapsulation. There they were discovered to be fake. Joe wrote a column to warn collectors that just because a company puts these onto "official" cards the autos may themselves be fake. I believe there was a 1/1 combo card with like Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson and Cy Young cuts where 1 or 2 of the players autos were deemed fake.

JeremyDie1 · February 20, 2008 3:20AM

I agree with the last two posters comments(blades and morgoth). Good points.

Tabe · February 20, 2008 4:13AM

<< 

<< They are as legitimate as most autographs you see for sale >>

Are you saying that the cuts of older players or even the certified autos of currant players out of packs are not legitimate? >>

There have been many examples of this, yes. One that got talked about quite a bit on the Beckett boards was an Eddie Plank cut autograph that was, in fact, Ed Plank who played in the 1970s and is not a HOF'er like Eddie.

Tabe

Goot · February 20, 2008 8:18AM

I personally think that some is real and some are fake. Honestly, I don't really care either. I agree with bigfische, they happen to be some of the coolest cards out there. Plus there are so many different products and variations out there that it's a pain in the butt to collect all of those and those base cards don't hold any value at all. Game used cards are nice, cheap, alternatives that draw kids to the hobby. However, I tend to try and stay away from a lot of the game used stuff, unless it's a very nice looking card of one of my favorite players, and focus on autos mainly.

Most importantly......
Collect what you like, last time I checked we were all collectors here and that's all that matters. It's our (each individuals) hobby, and just because someone does something a different way doesn't mean you need to bash them. I could say a lot of stuff about you guys on here, but keep my mouth shut because it's what YOU want to collect, not what I want.

F1ferrari · February 20, 2008 8:25AM

Myself, I don't care if they're real or fake. I don't plan on buying any, and if I find any in a pack I open, it'll be for sale very shortly. I can't imagine how they will ever be deemed 'rare' if a player changes jersey 2-3 times per game, and with baseball's 162 game schedule, plus batting practice, spring training, etc. that could easily be 1000 jersey's per year that could be cut into 1"X1" squares.

I also agree that destroying a legend's jersey, bat, etc. to put in a card is ridiculous. There are only so many Babe Ruth jerseys, so many Cy Young autographs, etc. out there, and cutting them up to put into a card is an insult to the memory of the game.

WinPitcher · February 20, 2008 8:28AM

I agree it is an insult to the game, that is unless I get one from a pack.

Steve

Ladder7 · February 20, 2008 8:29AM

Wish I still had a pic. scary stuff;

SP, 4 in 1 cuts

muchuckwagon · February 20, 2008 9:46AM

Collectors have this misconception that a pristine jersey, bat or document is harvested to create a vintage era game used or autograph card. That is simply not the case.....and it is pure economics.

Most of the "vintage" era material is torn, tattered, cracked or stained and lacks eye appeal. These flaws are not apparent when a jersey or bat is cut into tiny swatches for a game used card. Based on the condition many people would not be interested in having (paying) or displaying such items in their collection.....and the materials might not even be recongizable as a jersey or bat because the item has not been preserved.

The damaged materials are obtained at a discount while pristine items demand a premium and it is not cost effective to purchase such items.

swartz1 · February 20, 2008 10:54AM

some of the credibility for me went out the window when I saw santa clause "game used" right next to Mickey mantle "game used" or estate find right next to each other at Target....makes me go ...

yankeeno7 · February 20, 2008 2:34PM

Yeah, I knew about that 4 on 1 auto with Ruth and Johnson. I understand how some of those get through. Shame on any company to not be absolutely sure they are not real. Maybe one of the reasons they hired Spence?

As for the modern players, I dont think there is any reason to believe any of them are ghost signatures or autopen. I love opening autos from packs.

As far as game used, I agree it sucks that the limited vintage stuff gets destroyed. As far as the modern players go, Im all for it!

AlmostPerfect · February 20, 2008 5:58PM

<< I don't know, but I'll tell you one thing, the morons who think it's a swell idea to cut up a game used jersey of Ruth, Mantle, etc., deserve a kick in the scrote!!! >>

totally

hofautos · February 20, 2008 10:57PM

All i know is that it makes a WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE TO ME to collect all cards (including game used) of a well known player than people who collect complete sets including cards of players that no one has ever heard of, someone that never made an impact on the sport, and no one cares except the person that is trying to get all the cards of a set.

Anyone who rags on what anyone else collects, is a hippocritical idiot, because they collect cardboard, which 99% of america would find ludicrous. So stop complaining or worrying about what others collect and collect what you enjoy collecting.

PS - I collect it all

Vintage
Reprint Autos
PSA/DNA cards
Game Used
Rookies
Minors
Oddball

Tvac897 · February 20, 2008 11:03PM

Yeah this is super confusing....wonder why they do this?

TNTonPMS · February 21, 2008 1:44AM

"its also a crying shame to think they would destroy a babe ruth bat, ball or jersey to slap on card. "

In one way I see it that way, back in those days the players were not issued 1/10th as many uniforms/bats or baseballs for the team as it is today .

A Gehrig Jersey would be an extremely rare piece , you would cut that up ?

At the same time doing so puts a little piece of this history into the hands that otherwise would never be able to afford one ,
{Of course you have to be lucky enough pull one } or still pay out the nose for just a little piece .

I believe it draws many people to their product though . . .

Is it real ?

Who the hell could prove it now ?

If they are saying it is and the price reflects it being so do we really need to investigate it any futher ?

People really buy the &quot;game used jersey&quot; concept is real?

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People really buy the "game used jersey" concept is real?