<< <i>I would be more interested to hear from PCGS than Heritage. If they checked it out and gave it the green light, why were so many people here convinced it is fake? Is the guideline for looking at the fonts incorrect? >>
And if they checked it out and green lit it, why didn't they correct the cert information in the database??? Something still smells fishy.
I bought the coin last night. I sold a fake one I got off of Ebay to Conder along time ago. It was a $20 guadens. Here is the reverse of the slab I sold to him. He authenticated the $20 as a bogus slab in my presence. The reverse labels look identical. I want the slab just cause its counterfiet, and hope thats what I get.
If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?
<< <i>I bought the coin last night. I sold a fake one I got off of Ebay to Conder along time ago. It was a $20 guadens. Here is the reverse of the slab I sold to him. He authenticated the $20 as a bogus slab in my presence. The reverse labels look identical. I want the slab just cause its counterfiet, and hope thats what I get.
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Wow! I knew there was a market for these things, and if you need it for your collection, I hope you get it........but, the question remains why did Ron and Greg think it was fine to put back in the auction?
<< <i>........but, the question remains why did Ron and Greg think it was fine to put back in the auction? >>
Poof >>
it is a simple question after all; Greg himself said that Ron Guth was helping to evaluate. Just wondering what the outcome was, since so many seem to think (or know?) it is a counterfeit slab and the number isn't coming up in PCGS's system.
COIN INFORMATION Cert Verification #: 7008396 PCGS Coin #: 7360 Date, mintmark: 1923 Denomination: $1 Variety: Pedigree: Country: The United States of America Grade: MS65 >>
The printing on the letters looks both more modern and clean
Being extremely new to coin collecting, I for one will be watching with extreme interest on what the answers to all the veteran's questions are to this semi-mystery.... I think I will lose alot of interest in coin collecting if it is not explained how this made it back to auction....I came in believing certain things and their integrity, you know?
Doublegoldeagles, to restore your faith in PCGS. When the first phony $20 gaudens I had was known on the board to be a fake, pcgs contacted me promptly and requested that I send them the coin so they could eliminate the coin from the market and reimburse me for my trouble. These bogus slabs cost them alot of grief and cash.
I opted to sell it to conder for what I paid for the coin via ebay. He is a die hard slab collector and it really meant alot for him to be able to add that coin to his collection. Their were several other board members hot after that coin as well. When I met him he told me he never thought he would of ever had the chance to own one. They truly are rare and I doubt you will ever encounter one in your collecting days. The first coin was found 2004 and this only the 2nd example I have seen since. And of course this maybe a genuine slab, but who knows? It was worth the gamble for me.
If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?
<< <i>Just an fyi heritage cancelled the sale and won't allow me to buy the coin. >>
Bummer...I need one for my collection as well. I have had no luck in finding one, which is good for PCGS, of course. I guess I will have to be satisfied with an image.
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<< <i>Doublegoldeagles, to restore your faith in PCGS. When the first phony $20 gaudens I had was known on the board to be a fake, pcgs contacted me promptly and requested that I send them the coin so they could eliminate the coin from the market and reimburse me for my trouble. These bogus slabs cost them alot of grief and cash.
I opted to sell it to conder for what I paid for the coin via ebay. He is a die hard slab collector and it really meant alot for him to be able to add that coin to his collection. Their were several other board members hot after that coin as well. When I met him he told me he never thought he would of ever had the chance to own one. They truly are rare and I doubt you will ever encounter one in your collecting days. The first coin was found 2004 and this only the 2nd example I have seen since. And of course this maybe a genuine slab, but who knows? It was worth the gamble for me. >>
You say the first coin was found in 2004, but as per my original post, I got this information out of the aforementioned book which was published in 1996, 2001. Also, in the book I remembered reading the fakes appeared on the market shortly after the real ones started (in 1986). And that's why PCGS had to change their holder style to include a hologram.
Maybe the Double Eagle in 2004 was the first fake YOU found, but it sure sounds like the battle of these fakes has been going on for 20 years.
This Peace Dollar in question is the first fake rattler I have found. I've been at it for 2.5 years now. No doubt these fakes are rare.
A lie told often enough becomes the truth. ~Vladimir Lenin
Sorry for the confusion. My post was about my coin not about the timing of when the fake rattlers hit the market. You are correct the fakes starting appearing not long after the first pcgs slabs got released. I just assumed that was common knowledge, thus the confusion.
My fake $20 was my first fake holder coin, and was hoping to get a second. Sadly I can't have the peace dollar.
If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?
<< <i>My fake $20 was my first fake holder coin, and was hoping to get a second. Sadly I can't have the peace dollar. >>
Was the $20 fake or just the holder? When the fake rattler slabs came out, the coins were real but overgraded (eg slidder in a 65 holder).
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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<< <i>Would be interesting to hear from Heritage about this recent info. >>
I agree. I wonder if the owner had something to do with this new sale.
<< <i>I would be more interested to hear from PCGS than Heritage. If they checked it out and gave it the green light, why were so many people here convinced it is fake? Is the guideline for looking at the fonts incorrect? >>
And if they checked it out and green lit it, why didn't they correct the cert information in the database??? Something still smells fishy.
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<< <i>I bought the coin last night. I sold a fake one I got off of Ebay to Conder along time ago. It was a $20 guadens. Here is the reverse of the slab I sold to him. He authenticated the $20 as a bogus slab in my presence. The reverse labels look identical. I want the slab just cause its counterfiet, and hope thats what I get.
Wow! I knew there was a market for these things, and if you need it for your collection, I hope you get it........but, the question remains why did Ron and Greg think it was fine to put back in the auction?
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<< <i>........but, the question remains why did Ron and Greg think it was fine to put back in the auction? >>
Poof
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<< <i>........but, the question remains why did Ron and Greg think it was fine to put back in the auction? >>
Poof
it is a simple question after all; Greg himself said that Ron Guth was helping to evaluate. Just wondering what the outcome was, since so many seem to think (or know?) it is a counterfeit slab and the number isn't coming up in PCGS's system.
<< <i>Interesting.
The cert verification shows this:
COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 7008396
PCGS Coin #: 7360
Date, mintmark: 1923
Denomination: $1
Variety:
Pedigree:
Country: The United States of America
Grade: MS65 >>
The printing on the letters looks both more modern and clean
I opted to sell it to conder for what I paid for the coin via ebay. He is a die hard slab collector and it really meant alot for him to be able to add that coin to his collection. Their were several other board members hot after that coin as well. When I met him he told me he never thought he would of ever had the chance to own one. They truly are rare and I doubt you will ever encounter one in your collecting days. The first coin was found 2004 and this only the 2nd example I have seen since. And of course this maybe a genuine slab, but who knows? It was worth the gamble for me.
<< <i>Just an fyi heritage cancelled the sale and won't allow me to buy the coin. >>
Bummer...I need one for my collection as well. I have had no luck in finding one, which is good for PCGS, of course. I guess I will have to be satisfied with an image.
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
<< <i>Doublegoldeagles, to restore your faith in PCGS. When the first phony $20 gaudens I had was known on the board to be a fake, pcgs contacted me promptly and requested that I send them the coin so they could eliminate the coin from the market and reimburse me for my trouble. These bogus slabs cost them alot of grief and cash.
I opted to sell it to conder for what I paid for the coin via ebay. He is a die hard slab collector and it really meant alot for him to be able to add that coin to his collection. Their were several other board members hot after that coin as well. When I met him he told me he never thought he would of ever had the chance to own one. They truly are rare and I doubt you will ever encounter one in your collecting days. The first coin was found 2004 and this only the 2nd example I have seen since. And of course this maybe a genuine slab, but who knows? It was worth the gamble for me. >>
You say the first coin was found in 2004, but as per my original post, I got this information out of the aforementioned book which was published in 1996, 2001. Also, in the book I remembered reading the fakes appeared on the market shortly after the real ones started (in 1986). And that's why PCGS had to change their holder style to include a hologram.
Maybe the Double Eagle in 2004 was the first fake YOU found, but it sure sounds like the battle of these fakes has been going on for 20 years.
This Peace Dollar in question is the first fake rattler I have found. I've been at it for 2.5 years now. No doubt these fakes are rare.
Sorry for the confusion. My post was about my coin not about the timing of when the fake rattlers hit the market. You are correct the fakes starting appearing not long after the first pcgs slabs got released. I just assumed that was common knowledge, thus the confusion.
My fake $20 was my first fake holder coin, and was hoping to get a second. Sadly I can't have the peace dollar.
<< <i>My fake $20 was my first fake holder coin, and was hoping to get a second. Sadly I can't have the peace dollar. >>
Was the $20 fake or just the holder? When the fake rattler slabs came out, the coins were real but overgraded (eg slidder in a 65 holder).
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire