What do you think of this Saint?

saintguru · February 17, 2008 7:47AM

tightbudget · February 17, 2008 7:49AM

66?

commoncents05 · February 17, 2008 7:49AM

Looks very clean, and I like that color.

-Paul

fcloud · February 17, 2008 7:50AM

Smoeone punched her in the nose?

Nice coin.

Broadstruck · February 17, 2008 7:51AM

Where's the Reverse... you looking for 1/2 an opinion?

P.S. Nice to see your Wife let you come out to play on the weekend!

ahooka454 · February 17, 2008 7:51AM

As to grade, I have no idea. I love the color around the top. Thats one purrty Saint, Saint.

saintguru · February 17, 2008 7:52AM

I am interested in comments on the color, surfaces and grade.

Broadstruck · February 17, 2008 7:55AM

Is it more pumkiny orange in hand?

Connecticoin · February 17, 2008 7:57AM

BB for staple scratch on the sun.

jdillane · February 17, 2008 7:57AM

Color looks very nice (I am assuming that the lower obv is catching the light in an untoward manner). Very few nicks for a big hunk o' gold.

I'd venture she's a 66 with some claim to 67.

PerryHall · February 17, 2008 7:57AM

Nice coin. MS66?

dragon · February 17, 2008 7:58AM

AU, not 100% original.

saintguru · February 17, 2008 7:58AM

<< AU, not 100% original. >>

You're joking, right?

pontiacinf · February 17, 2008 8:00AM

Jay am I seeing corrosion spots on the rev?

Im not trying ta be funny here, its just I see spots on the rev and I am not sure what it is I am seeing.

ahooka454 · February 17, 2008 8:02AM

grade wise Id say a 64-65. Like I said, I dont know the series as well as some. I love the color and the black eyes.

saintguru · February 17, 2008 8:03AM

<< Jay am I seeing corrosion spots on the rev? >>

No. Not at all.

Goldbully · February 17, 2008 8:04AM

<< Jay am I seeing corrosion spots on the rev?

Im not trying ta be funny here, its just I see spots on the rev and I am not sure what it is I am seeing. >>

Me either, copper spotting perhaps????

Beautiful strike!!!

Broadstruck · February 17, 2008 8:04AM

Kindly enter me in the giveaway!

Connecticoin · February 17, 2008 8:06AM

MS-66+

Those Heritage images suck. Do you have any Mike Printz images yet?

Connecticoin · February 17, 2008 8:07AM

double post

pontiacinf · February 17, 2008 8:11AM

well if thats not corrosive spots then I like that one. Id venture a 66 but I am in no way versed in gold. I do however see something maybe? I love gold, and I have seen many with what appears to be splotches or patches of orange color, which IMHO looks so good on gold.

anyhow, If your interested in this puppy, Im sure its spectacular

Broadstruck · February 17, 2008 8:12AM

What do you think of this Saint?

Digital images are no fun on this one... you need to mail it out for show-n-tell!

ahooka454 · February 17, 2008 8:13AM

BTW, thanks for the great giveaway. What a guy you are...

ricko · February 17, 2008 8:17AM

The color looks a bit washed out... some marks on both sides... I would say 65... could be low, but looking at it with that magnification makes the marks jump out. Cheers, RickO

Coxe · February 17, 2008 8:30AM

Admittedly, I am not very knowledgeable in grading this particular series, let alone the particular date. However, I'll relate how I see the coin. Foirst thing that I noted was that the obverse was weak: the ray ends, hair ends, center, ... Could be a weaker strike. But then there is the coloration and surface roughness on the upper obverse. Could be the planchet and the uneven alloy toning found often enough on gold. In hand, I would definitely check the luster for breaks. The nose also looks like it took a good hit. The fact that it (edit>> it=the nose) is not toned much at all makes me wonder if it was mishandled. I would WAG it as AU55.

saintguru · February 17, 2008 8:34AM

The 1908-S is a very common copper spotted coin and it is NOT a takeaway at all...however this one has no coper spots.

Coxe....you're way off, bit that's OK.

This is a picture that Heritage took of this coin. It's an MS66 and I have seen ALL of the 66's and this is the finest. I was intrigued at the was it photo'ed.

here's Mike's pic....and I guarantee you this coin could be in a 67 holder as easily as a 66.

STONE · February 17, 2008 9:09AM

Jay, well of course I figured it was a 66 coin, but knowning you this coin had to be PQ and possibly upgrade potential.

With that said, it seems my assumptions correspond with yours. W/out the scratch on the sun, it would b an easy 67.

ahooka454 · February 17, 2008 9:13AM

Is that mark on the sun, there or just in the pic? I think its a damn nice example.

Weiss · February 17, 2008 9:17AM

The glossy surface made me think you'd thrown in GAE to throw us off.

jdillane · February 17, 2008 9:25AM

I win! I'll PM my mailing address. Wow....I never win anything! Must be my lucky day!!!!

tradedollarnut · February 17, 2008 9:26AM

Printz can make any coin look good - even a Saint!

rgCoinGuy · February 17, 2008 9:26AM

Wow, way above my paygrade, but thanks for sharing the pics, very nice!

saintguru · February 17, 2008 9:27AM

You have to realize that the markon the sun is about 1/32 of an inch. It has no effect on the grade.

Why isn;t it a MS67?

My guess is that the 67's tend to be flashy. This coin has the classic "early date" look, that is not so flashy but carpeted with an amazing orange skin. It's very similar to the best 1909's in that respect.

The 1908-S was one of the best struck dates of the entire series. It was the first year of SF Saints and they did an amazing job. I have seen one in particular that could have been the 1st coin to be minted. I say this because it's the most dramatic Saint I've ever seen! Brilliant headlight lustre, a blood red copper ring around the periphery and a strike like a proof. It's graded MS67 and it should be a MS68, IMO. My guess is that this coin was taken right from the dies by the director of the mint, possibly for John Clapp or another prominent collector..

ChrisRx · February 17, 2008 9:44AM

Looks dipped. Lack of lustre.

Edited to add: Two pubic hairs on the reverse (7 and 8 o'clock) that cuts it down two grades.

Coxe · February 17, 2008 9:47AM

Those shots show the coin almost completely differently, even better struck. Still, the marks on the breasts and sun are mildly distracting. But it is gold and it marks really easily. You know your saints. I expected it would be a high grade. BTW, what was with the nose, as seen bette rin the first pic you posted? Is that a hit or what?

ahooka454 · February 17, 2008 9:52AM

Now remember, I dont know the series. That mark on the sun was the first thing I saw on the reverse. I thought that on MS coins every mark counted.

Im not trying to be a pain but I just want to learn. Why would a mark on a focal point like that, not carry any weight on the grade? even if its small.

I personally love this coin and the color. I even like the black eyes. I just want to learn about the grading aspect here.

saintguru · February 17, 2008 10:00AM

A mark on the sun does count, in the context of the entire coin. Maybe that's why it's not a 67...who knows?

IAgain...I was more interested in the photo by HAG than anything else.

ahooka454 · February 17, 2008 10:06AM

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I knwo this series is very fun, but may be a bit outta my price range right now. As to the pictures, I have no idea. Im just learning how to shoot coins. I like the first one better.

I like when a pic shows all of the +'s and the -'s.

DJCoinz · February 17, 2008 10:29AM

Heritage's images suck.

I like that coin as an MS66 very much.

Mercury10c · February 17, 2008 11:02AM

I like the new avatar. It is totally you.

saintguru · February 17, 2008 1:03PM

Please refer to me as Senator Blutarsky for now on

lloydmincy · February 17, 2008 1:08PM

What do you think of my PCGS 66, Jay???

Guess I need Mike to take my pics...

saintguru · February 17, 2008 1:15PM

second nicest I've ever seen.

jmj3esq · February 17, 2008 1:26PM

A mark on the sun does count

Does not count!!?? Why do Saints have an entirely different grading standard than any other coin? Any mark, I dont care the issue, should have an effect on the grade. The mark an the reverse makes this coin a MS66 and not better.

I keep telling myself the bag mark in the field of my Antietam Commem Half should not keep it from a MS66, but PCGS has told me im wrong. I dont think it should count because that coin is too damn beautifull.

Besides the mark on the sun and a couple light spots on the reverse, it is has beautiful color and the obverse is as good as the come. I would be happy with the MS66.

I know you will tear me apart for what I have said, but I dont care.

tradedollarnut · February 17, 2008 1:40PM

<< A mark on the sun does count

Does not count!!?? Why do Saints have an entirely different grading standard than any other coin? Any mark, I dont care the issue, should have an effect on the grade. The mark an the reverse makes this coin a MS66 and not better.

I keep telling myself the bag mark in the field of my Antietam Commem Half should not keep it from a MS66, but PCGS has told me im wrong. I dont think it should count because that coin is too damn beautifull.

Besides the mark on the sun and a couple light spots on the reverse, it is has beautiful color and the obverse is as good as the come. I would be happy with the MS66. >>

Nice rant, but you failed 'Comprehension 101'.

<< I know you will tear me apart for what I have said, but I dont care. >>

MrEureka · February 17, 2008 10:38PM

I'm glad I didn't see this thread until after Mike's image was posted because otherwise I would have commented on the unnatural bluish haze seen on the image in the OP, and the possibility that the coin wasn't quite right.

(Mike - Do you acetone all coins before shooting them, or only the ones that need it?

)

IGWT · February 17, 2008 10:45PM

(Mike - Do you acetone all coins before shooting them, or only the ones that need it? )

It's not the acetone; the trick is in the lighting . . . .

a039 · February 17, 2008 11:40PM

A wonderful 66-67 Saint, I see 66's with lots of hits and that one is clean.

Nice coin Jay!

MacCrimmon · February 17, 2008 11:56PM

Since MP imaged it, I'll offer you 10 ounces of platinum in trade.

You know, I'd bet your syrupy gold would look far, far better in even a dimly lit steakhouse than under Heritage's cameras.

laserart · February 18, 2008 12:03AM

Jay, I'll give you 31 quarts of maple syrup for it.

anablep · February 18, 2008 12:36AM

I love toned gold.

Love that coin.

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