<< <i>I also had a bad experience where one time I had wanted to buy a couple hundred pounds of petrified dinosaur poop but instead I got several hundred pounds of fresh camel poop. Luckily I knew someone who was in the market for camel poop and I was able to get most of my money back. Cleaning up my living room was really the hardest part and on a warm summer day I sometimes wake up from a nap dreaming I am on a caravan. Weird. >>
Maybe you can file a criminal charge against him, even if law enforement does not follow up. The guy might decide to pay up or return the coin, if he hasn't sold it already. I know from experience, small claims is a fairly straightforward procedure in NC.
Someone mentioned small claims court. At over three grand I'm thinking more like felony theft. His ignoring your many attempts to contact him speaks volumes about his culpability. If he felt there was some mistake, he would have responded by now in an attempt to resolve the situation.
I would also caution a face to face encounter with someone you don't know. Peolple get badly injured that way. Go with reporting this, with your documentation, to the police.
<< <i>I also had a bad experience where one time I had wanted to buy a couple hundred pounds of petrified dinosaur poop but instead I got several hundred pounds of fresh camel poop. Luckily I knew someone who was in the market for camel poop and I was able to get most of my money back. Cleaning up my living room was really the hardest part and on a warm summer day I sometimes wake up from a nap dreaming I am on a caravan. Weird. >>
I wish I had a nickel for everytime I heard the old I-bought-dinosaur-poop-and-received-camel-poop-instead story.
There is a person on the Forum named Johnny Mondo or something like that who runs a collection service. I would contact him for suggestions as to how to proceed.
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Currently going through something similar to this as well. I've been grossly underwhelmed by the inaction of all officials.
The best course of action is to get the police involved if they will take it. In my case both my local and the remote police would not act (no technical theft since I sent a good check to the proper address). The USPS is worthless because now they have you file an internet claim report that gets pookaed with a zillion other never to be reviewed claims. The civil suit would be a farce since your chance of recovering $$ in a judgement is minimal. Basically, your local officials would just hope that you go away.
Either go with the police or the leg breakers. Spew the person's name to every dealer you can think of in North Carolina and across the country. Advertising can't hurt.
If the person is a member of ANA, you have to be too for the ANA to take full action....otherwise they send a letter of inquiry and then let it drop after that.
Leave him a message stating that at this time you consider the coin stolen and will be contacting the police if he does not reply and pay up in X number of days. That should do it, and if he ignores that message, you should contact the police right away. Stealing a coin worth over 3 grand is not acceptable and needs to be reported.
Out the guy here and hopefully some pressure will be put on him from others that do business with him. If he is still selling on ebay I think bids on his stuff will dry up. If he is still buying he will find himself blocked by many. Collectors/dealers at shows will stop doing business with him as well. The coin community is really pretty small and the word will spread fast. I hope you out him before he gets another forum member. Outing him is probably your last resort before you turn the recovery into a full time job.
also wanted to mention I had a similier thing happen to a forum member a few years ago. I sent him a few coins on approval over a few months time and he bought them or returned them. I trusted him so I sent him a group of certified toned Morgans. After about three weeks with him not contacting me I tried to contact him but no response over the next few weeks. I searched the forum and found out he was posting here but I never got response to my PM's. I started a thread about the situation without naming him but said I would if he did not pay fo the coins or return them. He got wind of the thread and took care of things right away and had a lame excuse that he got too busy. Maybe email him a link to this thread first.
Well, I'm happy to report that after a series of written legal threats regarding Class B felony charges and civil lawsuits, the coin has been returned. I still haven't heard from this person, but at least the coin is back in my possession.
I would like to thank all who took the time and effort to provide me with reasonable suggestions to recovery my property.
<< <i>Well, I'm happy to report that after a series of written legal threats regarding Class B felony charges and civil lawsuits, the coin has been returned. I still haven't heard from this person, but at least the coin is back in my possession.
I would like to thank all who took the time and effort to provide me with reasonable suggestions to recovery my property.
Peace,
Larry >>
Larry: Please PM me with this person's name/EBAY ID so I can block him? Thanks!
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If this Board provides nothing else, it is the "peer pressure" aspect. I think he should be out-ed. I certainly don't want anything to do with someone of such low morals. Please allow us to protect ourselves.
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<< <i>Larry: Please PM me with this person's name/EBAY ID so I can block him? Thanks!
If this Board provides nothing else, it is the "peer pressure" aspect. I think he should be out-ed. I certainly don't want anything to do with someone of such low morals. Please allow us to protect ourselves. >>
The buyer certainly looks bad in this situation. To not even offer an explanation for the delay is troubling to say the least.
One question, in the OP, you mentioned that you got approval to buy the coin at a show a "few months ago" but sent the coin 6 weeks ago. Makes me wonder if the buyer fell on hard times in the interim. Doesn't excuse his conduct but might partly explain it.
WOW!! I could see if he had a heart attack or something serious but evidently this is not the case. Theft still isn't ok even if the merchandise is returned at a later date.
<< <i>Larry: Please PM me with this person's name/EBAY ID so I can block him? Thanks!
If this Board provides nothing else, it is the "peer pressure" aspect. I think he should be out-ed. I certainly don't want anything to do with someone of such low morals. Please allow us to protect ourselves. >>
Wow. Glad to hear to received the coin back and hope you can be made whole in the original purchase and all too. I have a couple bigger buyer associates in NC and hope it is neither of them.
Glad to hear this story had a happy ending. Must have been the popcorn. Anyway, isn't there an old rule that unsolicited items received in the mail do not need to be returned? Under the rendition of facts I can see why the seller was worried. It was not as though the buyer initated the mailing of the coin. There was apparently a huge gap in time between when the seller talked to the buyer and when he eventually sent it to him.
<< <i>Well, I'm happy to report that after a series of written legal threats regarding Class B felony charges and civil lawsuits, the coin has been returned. I still haven't heard from this person, but at least the coin is back in my possession.
I would like to thank all who took the time and effort to provide me with reasonable suggestions to recovery my property.
Peace,
Larry >>
Larry: Please PM me with this person's name/EBAY ID so I can block him? Thanks! >>
XXXXXXXXXXXXX Good the coins is back. And I hope the guy isn't a jerk but jut ran into some major emergencies
(wife with uterine cancer, son out on $300000bail for drugs, etc===stiff that's private that took all
his awaking hours.
At least in Washington DC he would have commited a fraud or theft by deception, and " DC Bunco"
would vigerouslly persue him. The case is too large for small claims buy if you have your check/purchase draft
and the registered mail reciepy, in the future if this happens
your attorney files what's called a "motion for comversion" followed by a summery judgement in either binding arbitration
or a bench ruling. In no case can you just take take coins without ending up like OJ Simpson in jail
for just grabbing his memorabilia in a Vegas hotel.
What really happens is the judge issue judgement yo you or a clerk escrow to protect them. Then a date is set for U.S. Marshalls to enter the man's house . If not given the coins, they take him intread, for contempt of Court, and he rots in jail until
you either get the coin or he pays in cash for the coin and interest you payed for businees capatal loans.
#######Note: I just prevailed in a conversion suit for coins taken by a relative.
Checks, reciepts, and certification serial numbers was ownership proof to preponderance of the evidence.
<< <i>Well, I'm happy to report that after a series of written legal threats regarding Class B felony charges and civil lawsuits, the coin has been returned. I still haven't heard from this person, but at least the coin is back in my possession.
I would like to thank all who took the time and effort to provide me with reasonable suggestions to recovery my property.
Peace,
Larry >>
That is fantastic, would you send it to me on approval?
I've actually listed the coin on eBay already, so I wouldn't want to be accused of spamming the boards.
The bottom line is that if he ran into financial trouble, etc., all he needed to do was let me know. Just maintain contact and it would have been fine. But he didn't. He disappeared. He didn't reply to any of the half dozen e-mails I sent. He didn't answer his "business" phone number (the one registered with eBay {invalid contact information can be reported by anybody.. hint, hint}) any of the over 100 times I've tried to call in the last 2 weeks or so. I've even had people try to call the phone number from Florida, Nevada, and North Carolina and there has been no answer every time.
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<< <i>I also had a bad experience where one time I had wanted to buy a couple hundred pounds of petrified dinosaur poop but instead I got several hundred pounds of fresh camel poop. Luckily I knew someone who was in the market for camel poop and I was able to get most of my money back. Cleaning up my living room was really the hardest part and on a warm summer day I sometimes wake up from a nap dreaming I am on a caravan. Weird.
Sure...sure. I think your full of poop
Watch his eBay ads closely...
Good luck, sorry you ran into this situation.
I would also caution a face to face encounter with someone you don't know. Peolple get badly injured that way. Go with reporting this, with your documentation, to the police.
Good luck and let us know what happens.
Garrow
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<< <i>I also had a bad experience where one time I had wanted to buy a couple hundred pounds of petrified dinosaur poop but instead I got several hundred pounds of fresh camel poop. Luckily I knew someone who was in the market for camel poop and I was able to get most of my money back. Cleaning up my living room was really the hardest part and on a warm summer day I sometimes wake up from a nap dreaming I am on a caravan. Weird.
I wish I had a nickel for everytime I heard the old I-bought-dinosaur-poop-and-received-camel-poop-instead story.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
The best course of action is to get the police involved if they will take it. In my case both my local and the remote police would not act (no technical theft since I sent a good check to the proper address). The USPS is worthless because now they have you file an internet claim report that gets pookaed with a zillion other never to be reviewed claims. The civil suit would be a farce since your chance of recovering $$ in a judgement is minimal. Basically, your local officials would just hope that you go away.
Either go with the police or the leg breakers. Spew the person's name to every dealer you can think of in North Carolina and across the country. Advertising can't hurt.
If the person is a member of ANA, you have to be too for the ANA to take full action....otherwise they send a letter of inquiry and then let it drop after that.
roadrunner
That should do it, and if he ignores that message, you should contact the police right away. Stealing a coin worth over 3 grand is not acceptable and needs to be reported.
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I would like to thank all who took the time and effort to provide me with reasonable suggestions to recovery my property.
Peace,
Larry
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<< <i>Well, I'm happy to report that after a series of written legal threats regarding Class B felony charges and civil lawsuits, the coin has been returned. I still haven't heard from this person, but at least the coin is back in my possession.
I would like to thank all who took the time and effort to provide me with reasonable suggestions to recovery my property.
Peace,
Larry >>
Larry: Please PM me with this person's name/EBAY ID so I can block him? Thanks!
If this Board provides nothing else, it is the "peer pressure" aspect. I think he should be out-ed. I certainly don't want anything to do with someone of such low morals. Please allow us to protect ourselves.
<< <i>Larry: Please PM me with this person's name/EBAY ID so I can block him? Thanks!
If this Board provides nothing else, it is the "peer pressure" aspect. I think he should be out-ed. I certainly don't want anything to do with someone of such low morals. Please allow us to protect ourselves. >>
Ebay handle is gameshobbies1
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An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
One question, in the OP, you mentioned that you got approval to buy the coin at a show a "few months ago" but sent the coin 6 weeks ago. Makes me wonder if the buyer fell on hard times in the interim. Doesn't excuse his conduct but might partly explain it.
I could see if he had a heart attack or something serious but evidently this is not the case.
Theft still isn't ok even if the merchandise is returned at a later date.
I'm glad you got your coin back.
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<< <i>Larry: Please PM me with this person's name/EBAY ID so I can block him? Thanks!
If this Board provides nothing else, it is the "peer pressure" aspect. I think he should be out-ed. I certainly don't want anything to do with someone of such low morals. Please allow us to protect ourselves. >>
Ebay handle is gameshobbies1 >>
blocked, thanks!
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
<< <i>I'd like to see the coin now. Got pics ? >>
Vam Guy told me he's never going to show that coin to anybody ever again.
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<< <i>
<< <i>Well, I'm happy to report that after a series of written legal threats regarding Class B felony charges and civil lawsuits, the coin has been returned. I still haven't heard from this person, but at least the coin is back in my possession.
I would like to thank all who took the time and effort to provide me with reasonable suggestions to recovery my property.
Peace,
Larry >>
Larry: Please PM me with this person's name/EBAY ID so I can block him? Thanks!
XXXXXXXXXXXXX Good the coins is back. And I hope the guy isn't a jerk but jut ran into some major emergencies
(wife with uterine cancer, son out on $300000bail for drugs, etc===stiff that's private that took all
his awaking hours.
At least in Washington DC he would have commited a fraud or theft by deception, and " DC Bunco"
would vigerouslly persue him. The case is too large for small claims buy if you have your check/purchase draft
and the registered mail reciepy, in the future if this happens
your attorney files what's called a "motion for comversion" followed by a summery judgement in either binding arbitration
or a bench ruling. In no case can you just take take coins without ending up like OJ Simpson in jail
for just grabbing his memorabilia in a Vegas hotel.
What really happens is the judge issue judgement yo you or a clerk escrow to protect them. Then a date is set for U.S. Marshalls to enter the man's house
. If not given the coins, they take him intread, for contempt of Court, and he rots in jail until
you either get the coin or he pays in cash for the coin and interest you payed for businees capatal loans.
#######Note: I just prevailed in a conversion suit for coins taken by a relative.
Checks, reciepts, and certification serial numbers was ownership proof to preponderance of the evidence.
to belong to me
via reciepts to be my property.
<< <i>Well, I'm happy to report that after a series of written legal threats regarding Class B felony charges and civil lawsuits, the coin has been returned. I still haven't heard from this person, but at least the coin is back in my possession.
I would like to thank all who took the time and effort to provide me with reasonable suggestions to recovery my property.
Peace,
Larry >>
That is fantastic, would you send it to me on approval?
<< <i>I'd like to see the coin now. Got pics ? >>
I've actually listed the coin on eBay already, so I wouldn't want to be accused of spamming the boards.
The bottom line is that if he ran into financial trouble, etc., all he needed to do was let me know. Just maintain contact and it would have been fine. But he didn't. He disappeared. He didn't reply to any of the half dozen e-mails I sent. He didn't answer his "business" phone number (the one registered with eBay {invalid contact information can be reported by anybody.. hint, hint}) any of the over 100 times I've tried to call in the last 2 weeks or so. I've even had people try to call the phone number from Florida, Nevada, and North Carolina and there has been no answer every time.
That's just not the proper way to do business.
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Done deal. Thread is over. Nuff said!