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I'm fairly sickened by many of you....
CDsNuts
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I'm calling this like I see it.:
The selfishness of the people who have posted their complaints throughout the day, although while expected, is simply disgusting. It's apparent now, more than ever that all people really care about is themselves and their collection. This so-called community of people who supposedly like to see everybody else's collection, and truly care for the good of the hobby really only care about their own cards and their own interests, and screw everybody else. Registry guys who are now concerned that their PSA 9 that was selling for $500 while a PSA 8 sold for $25 will be devalued because of the 8.5's that are going to hit the market. Do you really think it's a good thing that PSA 9's are selling for 2000% of what an 8 sells for? This is your idea of rational and logical?
You know what? Screw the value of your collection right now. Don't even think about it. Instead, think about the facts and the bigger picture:
- PSA is the industry leader, and probably will continue to be for at least another decade.
- Their previous grading scale led to wide-spread crack and resubs because of the example that I mentioned above, coupled with PSA's inconsistent ability to grade cards and people who take advantage of this (myself included).
- The .5 scale will lead to fewer crack and resubs because while an 8 might bring $25, an 8.5 will bring $40 and it's not worth the grading fee to give it a shot, and a 9 is now out of the question.
- Real people with limited budgets will now be able to afford nicer cards than they would have previously. "Well, I can't afford the Dominique Wilkins RC in PSA 9 because it will cost $200, and all the PSA 8's are off center. But look, this centered 8.5 is $40!." You will see this situation a lot because previously, a well-centered PSA 8 Wilkins (=$20) would never hit ebay. They would keep cracking and resubmitting in the hopes of a 9.
- PSA is clearly inconsistent. It's pointed out here thread after thread- "The worst PSA 9 ever", "Is this really an 8?"....... Well, now they have that tweener grade which leaves less room for them to over or undergrade. This is a bad thing?
PSA is a company run to make money. Often, they will implement a policy that is good for them and bad for collectors. This is not one of them, and in fact may hurt them financially because of far fewer crack and resubs. You all really need to get your head out of your ass and realize this is a good thing for the hobby overall. The value of your collection might take a hit right now, but the hobby is better off for it. Stop being so freaking selfish. Clearly all you collectors who buy cards "for the love of the hobby" really only care about what your cards are worth and nothing more.
Love,
Lee
Edit to say that "many" of you sicken me, not "most" of you.
The selfishness of the people who have posted their complaints throughout the day, although while expected, is simply disgusting. It's apparent now, more than ever that all people really care about is themselves and their collection. This so-called community of people who supposedly like to see everybody else's collection, and truly care for the good of the hobby really only care about their own cards and their own interests, and screw everybody else. Registry guys who are now concerned that their PSA 9 that was selling for $500 while a PSA 8 sold for $25 will be devalued because of the 8.5's that are going to hit the market. Do you really think it's a good thing that PSA 9's are selling for 2000% of what an 8 sells for? This is your idea of rational and logical?
You know what? Screw the value of your collection right now. Don't even think about it. Instead, think about the facts and the bigger picture:
- PSA is the industry leader, and probably will continue to be for at least another decade.
- Their previous grading scale led to wide-spread crack and resubs because of the example that I mentioned above, coupled with PSA's inconsistent ability to grade cards and people who take advantage of this (myself included).
- The .5 scale will lead to fewer crack and resubs because while an 8 might bring $25, an 8.5 will bring $40 and it's not worth the grading fee to give it a shot, and a 9 is now out of the question.
- Real people with limited budgets will now be able to afford nicer cards than they would have previously. "Well, I can't afford the Dominique Wilkins RC in PSA 9 because it will cost $200, and all the PSA 8's are off center. But look, this centered 8.5 is $40!." You will see this situation a lot because previously, a well-centered PSA 8 Wilkins (=$20) would never hit ebay. They would keep cracking and resubmitting in the hopes of a 9.
- PSA is clearly inconsistent. It's pointed out here thread after thread- "The worst PSA 9 ever", "Is this really an 8?"....... Well, now they have that tweener grade which leaves less room for them to over or undergrade. This is a bad thing?
PSA is a company run to make money. Often, they will implement a policy that is good for them and bad for collectors. This is not one of them, and in fact may hurt them financially because of far fewer crack and resubs. You all really need to get your head out of your ass and realize this is a good thing for the hobby overall. The value of your collection might take a hit right now, but the hobby is better off for it. Stop being so freaking selfish. Clearly all you collectors who buy cards "for the love of the hobby" really only care about what your cards are worth and nothing more.
Love,
Lee
Edit to say that "many" of you sicken me, not "most" of you.
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not bad at all!
CDsNuts, 1/9/15
In the end, people who collect PSA will still do so. I think your numbers are grossly off. I think PSA 8.5 will sell closer to PSA 9 value than you think they will.
You think an 8.5 can't be a 9 or an 8 on any given day? These are the same people who have always graded your cards. The crack-and-resubmit game will be bigger than it ever has been.
PSA's only goal is to make $$$$, and they will.
However, it's people like you that will get screwed by them in order for them to do so.
Meet me at the Regal Beagle, beer is on me tonight.
- When you buy a PSA 8.5 off ebay, you have a much better idea of what you'll be getting, than previously buying an 8 or 9.
<< <i>You all really need to get your head out of your ass and realize this is a good thing for the hobby overall. The value of your collection might take a hit right now, but the hobby is better off for it. Stop being so freaking selfish. Clearly all you collectors who buy cards "for the love of the hobby" really only care about what your cards are worth and nothing more. >>
Lee, dont hold back, tell us how you really think....
Seriously, Good post....
<< <i>: standing ovation : >>
Good post man!
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i'm glad i didn't bother reading all of those other threads, i didn't think it was such a big deal.
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Don't leave us hanging.
In what?!?!
<< <i>I'm not sure what this is all about, but I'm definately quitting the hobby because of it. >>
I was waiting for that one BlackBorder.
Now can the adults proceed with the discussing the impact of a very big change to a grading system that has been in pace for years?
Thanks.
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I had planned on avoiding the boards for awhile but you spoke up! Cheers!
Things change and PSA needs to do things to stay competive. I know it does screw with some peoples collections as well as mine but we just have to take one for the hobby. This will be a good thing in the long run.
If anyone is seriously getting out of the hobby because of the new grading system,, I will take .5 of your collection off your hands.
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Now can the adults proceed with the discussing the impact of a very big change to a grading system that has been in pace for years?
Has there been a discussion? I all hear is complaining ...
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<< <i>Hey nuts...nice tantrum...
Now can the crybabies proceed with the discussing the impact of a very big change to a grading system that has been in pace for years?
Thanks. >>
It seems to me that alot of people on these boards are in collecting for the money and not the hobby. I am in it for the hobby, have been and always will be.
You are entitled to your opinion and its not a uneducated one but...
Answer me this and I will concede to your point;
As grading is subjective and graders miss by whole grades (or more) now; don't you think that having half point grades only serves to further dilute the clarity between grades, especially between half point grades? I mean, it is an absolute certainty that the subjective nature of card grading can lead a solid NM-MT card to grade anywhere between PSA 7 and 9 but add in that it could now be certified as 7, 7.5, 8, 8.5 or even 9. Does this not seem like it will add to MORE crack and resubmits or reviews or whatever PSA wants to call this revenue producing review of the same card.
Just tell me that the graders will be more accurate and the grades will be more accurate.
I just don't see it.
I expect they will be human and subjective and in the end it will lead to more submissions.
I don't even have a problem with paying more, just raise prices, but don't make me submit the same card numerous times. That's just not right.
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<< <i>Clearly all you collectors who buy cards "for the love of the hobby" really only care about what your cards are worth and nothing more. >>
Lee, this isn't true. Maybe for some but not for me. I don't like this move as it has been suggested that PSA may change flips which will drive me nuts (i.e., mismatched cards in my collection). I don't sell my cards. I may have sold five cards in the last five years. I have given away 20 times that number of cards. Heck, I currently have no less than 16 1977 Pete Roses graded in PSA 8 and 5 in PSA 9. And for some obsessive-compulsive reason, I like them to all be holdered the exact same way. In addition, I don't want to have two different grading scales used to evaluate my collection (i.e., future submissions). It is not about what my cards are worth. It is about my need for consistency and accuracy. It will cost me quite a bit of money to re-evaluate (or Lord forbid, reholder to new flips). How many of the aforementioned 77 Roses might be 8.5s? I guess there's only one way for me to find out and it is going to cost me. I think you are using far too broad of a paintbrush with your analysis here. There are other ramifications to this move by PSA aside from the perceived value of the cards.
Don't ya think?
clay- It's like this: If you want to go for the 8.5 on your Puckett 8, go for it, but it's probably not worth it money-wise. If you're doing it to get higher in the regisrty competition, then that's your perrogative, but paying money to grade specifically for the registry defies logic. If that's what you're standing on, we just can't have a rational debate about this. Presumably with the new system, a NM/MT card will have a shorter variance of grade and monetary value, because where previously it could've been anything from a 7-9, now it will most likely end up being between 7.5-8.5. They've basically shortened the range, so now the value goes from originally being a $20-$200 card to a $30-$100 card, depending on the grade. It basically gives graders a crutch to stand on when they can't decide where a card should grade. Bottom line- you will not be seeing nearly as many BS 9's and undergaded 7's. This is a good thing.
bobby- I respect that, but the grading scale and consistency of the look are two different animals. I understand you wanting uniformity in your collection, but your issue is clearly with changing the flips and/or slabs, which they really don't need to do. If they do change, I think it's a huge mistake because of the reasons you mention.
On the flip side:
I can see where a competitive registry collector and dealers who have thousands of dollars invested already in subs would be steaming about this! I think they have a right to be as well.
As far as Im concerned though, I like it and have always thought this should be the standard way of grading.
<< <i>bobby- I respect that, but the grading scale and consistency of the look are two different animals. I understand you wanting uniformity in your collection, but your issue is clearly with changing the flips and/or slabs, which they really don't need to do. If they do change, I think it's a huge mistake because of the reasons you mention >>
I hear ya. I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with my view on this, I just wanted you to know that some of us are not unhappy due to monetary consequences. Thanks for the reply. Maybe the flips won't change anyway...
<< <i>If it was such a great idea, can anyone explain why the 'industry leader' was so far behind the curve on this one then? >>
Maybe it was an ACE in the whole? Who knows? they might have regretted not doing this from the get go and decided to put it in play when their standings in the hobby were secured enough to take the gamble...
As far as the registry goes, if you're going to competitively take part in something like that, then you really have no leg to stand on when it comes to thinking about card grading and collecting rationally and logically because all you're trying to do is win a card-collecting contest. You should not let your registry sets cloud your view of what's good for the hobby.
Edit- gosteelers- I told Joe in his thread that he won't ever see again that he should've admitted his oversight in 2003. That "Things have changed in 5 years" crap was complete BS. He was wrong back then and he should be man enough to admit it.
<< <i>- PSA is clearly inconsistent. It's pointed out here thread after thread- "The worst PSA 9 ever", "Is this really an 8?"....... Well, now they have that tweener grade which leaves less room for them to over or undergrade. This is a bad thing? >>
Ah, I see. PSA grading will be better because it will go half-grades. This solves the inconsistency! Grades will be more consistent as a result. Stupendous! How simple!!!!! Gee Golly!!!
Yipee!!!!! All our problems are solved!!!
<< <i>As far as the registry goes, if you're going to competitively take part in something like that, then you really have no leg to stand on when it comes to thinking about card grading and collecting rationally and logically because all you're trying to do is win a card-collecting contest. You should not let your registry sets cloud your view of what's good for the hobby. >>
I've got a couple grand invested but not losing any sleep over it. In the long run, it's a good thing.
+1 for drama
I like you and respect your opinion, but I think it is unfair to lump a person like myself who has spent thousands and thousands of dollars on cards as someone who only thinks about money. No matter what you collect, when you are throwing that kind of cash around of course you care about money. I don't believe in pissing money away and I would hope people can respect a different opinion too.
<< <i>Hey nuts...nice tantrum...
Now can the adults proceed with the discussing the impact of a very big change to a grading system that has been in pace for years?
Thanks. >>
You've gotta be kidding me! All I've read about this change is crybabying from those so-called adults while they throw tantrums because their cardboard portfolio isn't as pretty today. Change is never easy, but all of these empty threats of "I'm selling all of my cards" and "I'm never submitting again" are foolish. Frankly, I highly doubt they'd miss the few that would leave over such an inconsequential - and in the long run GOOD - change.
<< <i>It seems to me that alot of people on these boards are in collecting for the money and not the hobby. I am in it for the hobby, have been and always will be. >>
It's not necessarily collecting for the money. To me it is a hobby first. However, it is an investment at the same time. I didn't get into this hobby thinking baseball cards were going to make me rich some day. However, I've been collecting for 22 years and usually spend about $4-5K a year on my collection - alot of that in PSA graded cards. You do the math. Now is it an investment? I really don't think people who have a $300 Albert Pujols (or fill in the name) collection could even begin to understand this.
To tell people that they are selfish is probably the truth. However, if wanting to protect something that I have tens of thousands of dollars in makes me selfish, then I guess that I am selfish. Go tell all the ex-Enron workers and investors who lost everything that they are selfish for only being concerned about their investment.
<< <i>If it was such a great idea, can anyone explain why the 'industry leader' was so far behind the curve on this one then? >>
Such a simple yet GREAT question!!!
There's a reason why people shouldn't panic sell and this is a great example.
I have yet to hear one negative effect that this change will have on the hobby as a whole. If someone can come forward with one then I'm all ears. The adjustment period will be tough and it would've been nice if PSA gave some leniency in terms of re-grading, but once this is all said and done it will be a better hobby and safer marketplace.
<< <i>No one has lost any money. What you perceive your cards' value to be may have changed but until you sell, there is no loss.
There's a reason why people shouldn't panic sell and this is a great example. >>
<< <i>I'm not panic selling, I'm "P-Od" selling. >>
I'll take your high end 7 and up '55 TAAs.