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1967 SMS with a cameo half...Not a bad deal for $22 on Ebay! PICTURES ADDED 2-4-08!

Well, a few days ago, I saw this 1967 SMS on Ebay....not a very good picture, but I could tell the half was at least a little cameo. The set came in today and I can see I was right! However, it appears a little hazy...is there any way to get that off? Acetone? Also, what would you guys grade it?

UPDATE: PCGS GRADED IT MS66 DCAM!!

Thanks!

-Paul
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  • Maybe Russ will tell you his secret formula. image
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Oh, and I realize it might not be worth all that much, but I like it....so...yeah =p
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Oh, and pictures in a sec.
  • You can try and acetone it, it usually will fix it right up. With those sometimes frost isnt enough for them to be graded as a cameo, They will also need nice mirror fields as well. Can you take a better pic of the half so we can get a better look?


  • << <i>Well, a few days ago, I saw this 1967 SMS on Ebay....not a very good picture, but I could tell the half was at least a little cameo. The set came in today and I can see I was right! However, it appears a little hazy...is there any way to get that off? Acetone? Also, what would you guys grade it?

    Thanks!

    -Paul >>



    NCS
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Ouch... lol

    Acetone won't do the trick?


  • << <i>Ouch. lol Acetone won't do the trick? >>



    That appears to be a pretty good find. Why attempt to do what you haven't done before on a good coin?? NCS is a cheap way of having it done professionally.
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the good advice.....so if I send it in, it will be "conserved" for $15 and that includes grading by NGC (If it is conserved well enough)?


    Oh, and I didn't realize it was all that good of a find....could it possibly be worth more than the $25-50 I think it's worth?
  • Looks like under all that haze that baby has some nice mirrors! I would put it in an acetone bath for 5 min and let soak and then take it out and see first. It wont damage the coin or anything and may save ya from having it conserved.
  • That half looks frosty! I don't think acetone will help. I know some guys here are pretty good at dipping coins - perhaps you can do a search - I believe instructions have been posted before. I failed when I tried so you might want to practice on a low value coin. Your coin might be worth something depending on if there are hairlines or other issues.
  • mirabelamirabela Posts: 5,196 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are those who will crucify me for saying so, but when it comes to hazy proofs & suchlike, MS70 cleaner is the shiznits! All it is, is a very strong detergent. You swab the coin with that stuff on a Q-tip, rinse it off, and presto! Beautiful black mirrors. No abrasion, no acid etching (i.e. dip), no residue. IMO you don't want to go screwing up a nice original older coin with this junk -- worst thing you could ever do, for instance, to an old golden-grey Shield nickel or something -- but for spotty 50's proofs, hazy SMS coins, and so on, it is the best stuff in the world.

    Fire away, boys.
    mirabela
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Ouch. lol Acetone won't do the trick? >>



    That appears to be a pretty good find. Why attempt to do what you haven't done before on a good coin?? NCS is a cheap way of having it done professionally. >>



    image NCS fees are based on the value of the coin. The value of the coin, now, is around $20. So the fee will probably be the minimum, plus shipping. Even Russ uses NCS for this type of service.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for all the advice guys!...but no one has really told me...If this coin IS worth NCS...how much could it be worth after conservation?


  • << <i>Thanks for all the advice guys!...but no one has really told me...If this coin IS worth NCS...how much could it be worth after conservation? >>



    You won't really know until it's conserved. There could be hairlines or mirror breaks you can't see because of the haze.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Neither acetone nor MS70 will work on that coin. A real dip such as eZest would be most effective. In addition, some of what appears in the fields cannot be removed regardless of method. It's a nice find, but NCS is a waste of money in this value range.

    Russ, NCNE
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the advice Russ!
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i would suggest that you try to hook up with one of us who would be willing to dip the coin for you, or else you should just put it away till you've had some time to develop a method of your own which will be effective. until that time, just don't do anything stupid. as Russ said, acetone and MS70 as suggested by others will be inneffective and only hold the promise of adding something onto an already impaired coin. judging from the pictures is kind of hard, so do the prudent thing and set this coin aside till you can get help, both in assessing it and/or conserving it.

  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Good point keets. Hey Russ, Wanna dip this coin for me =p?
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    also, just dipping in eZest isnt all there is to it if your serious about conserving a good coin.
    you,ll need pure water, acetone,and or otherwise, thoughtful procedures to do it like a pro.

    overall its yucky working with all these toxic chemicals to restore/conserve,,,properly clean your uncircs.
    so use caution where noted.
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Wait....I just thought of something guys...you don't think there's a deep cameo half hiding under the haze, do you?...Does the cameo have to be stronger?
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162


    << <i>also, just dipping in eZest isnt all there is to it if your serious about conserving a good coin.
    you,ll need pure water, acetone,and or otherwise, thoughtful procedures to do it like a pro.

    overall its yucky working with all these toxic chemicals to restore/conserve,,,properly clean your uncircs.
    so use caution where noted. >>


    So, so true. I found out the hard way: image


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  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    actually yes, the contrast should be higher.
    the die-state i,m thinking needs to be new or very new
    before the fields become less and less mirror-like.
    the pic aint too good to say for sure but it doesnt look dcam from here


  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Ouch Lee! That stinks!!

    Cam, even though Russ said I shouldn't, I think I might send the coin in to NCS...I really think there are some DEEP mirrors hiding under the haze.... And as you said, the pictures aren't very good. In hand the fields look much deeper....

  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    there ya go
    go for it
    it may turn out great for you.
    image
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Lol....hmm...i really do respect all of your opinions, but...I still kinda wanna try... Do you want me to try to take better pictures?

  • coinkid855

    You beat me on that one by 22 cents, I can't remember if I tried to snipe it or not...congrats on a nice coin !
  • Maybe ms65cam, at best. It would not be worth getting conserved at NCS. I agree with Russ. Dip it in ezest.
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    ya, no, dont use that coin as your first subject, unless you dont care if you mess it up.
    image
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Ahhhh! Too many conflicting opinions!! haha....Perhaps I'll buy some of that coin dip and try it out on a few Washington Quarters first....any tips guys?
  • Good idea, try it out on some cheap throw away proofs. The problem I had when I tried was I didn't rinse the coin well enough. Some people talk about using distilled water ane then acetone after that. Any dip residue will make the coin end up like Lee's (and mine). Any tap water residue can leave mineral spots.
  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is a lot to learn about doing this right and not every coin should be done the same way.
    The hard part is learning to spot a coin that can be helped.
    Some can't and will only look worse.
    Larry

  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    next,,,you just stripped the original skin off the coin.
    guess what that means.
    it now has a really good chance of developing
    some type of toning, maybe a little sooner than it normally would
    despite measures to eliminate that as it were, coins in slabs have been known
    to turn, quite possibly due to a previous little acid bath



  • << <i>Thanks for the good advice.....so if I send it in, it will be "conserved" for $15 and that includes grading by NGC (If it is conserved well enough)?


    Oh, and I didn't realize it was all that good of a find....could it possibly be worth more than the $25-50 I think it's worth? >>



    Russ told me this would be worth maybe $80 after a bath. I don't know how to do that though.
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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Russ told me this would be worth maybe $80 after a bath. I don't know how to do that though.

    this is great!!!!! image

    just when i thought the forum had pretty much agreed in principal that you can't grade from a picture, we are now assessing impaired coins still in Mint packaging, determining what the outcome will be when they are conserved and then assigning a value to them. man-oh-man, what a great way to help the newcomers.
  • key word bro..........."maybe."
    imageDo not taunt Happy Fun Ball image
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Yeah, I wouldn't be going so crazy on Ilikemercs...he was just trying to help....
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    image
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    coins with mirrored fields sure are tough to image well.
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  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    You can say that again....I always end up in the picture....lol


  • << <i>You can say that again....I always end up in the picture....lol >>



    I ain't even gonna touch that one.image
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Russ told me this would be worth maybe $80 after a bath. I don't know how to do that though.

    this is great!!!!!

    just when i thought the forum had pretty much agreed in principal that you can't grade from a picture, we are now assessing impaired coins still in Mint packaging, determining what the outcome will be when they are conserved and then assigning a value to them. man-oh-man, what a great way to help the newcomers. >>



    Actually, Keets, I made no judgment about the grade or the value of his coin. My exact words were:



    << <i><< It's worth a little somethin in 67DC and 67CAM. >>

    It won't grade DCAM even after a dip. The fields are too shallow. At 67CAM, it would be worth about $80.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Responding to his comment in this thread.

    Russ, NCNE
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    GRADE POSTED!!!



    PCGS MS 66 DCAM!!!!



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  • Very nice! So you went with NCS first or dipped yourself?
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  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pcgs Rare Coin market report for Jan. shows a value of $325 in 66dcam.Way to go!image
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  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    Thanks a lot guys!


    Oh and Jeff, a board member did the dipping for me, but I'll let him reveal himself if he wishes to.



    -Paul
  • Nice find, I think your going to get a pleasant surprise here............image
  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice find, I think your going to get a pleasant surprise here............image >>



    Thanks, but I'm not sure what you mean...



    -Paul
  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,099 ✭✭✭
    You may want to put the grade in the OP to avoid confusion.

    -Paul
    Many Quality coins for sale at http://www.CommonCentsRareCoins.com
  • DJCoinzDJCoinz Posts: 3,856
    You suck! Very nice job. image I'm guessing Russ dipped it for you...image
    Be sure and post photos when you get it back.
    aka Dan

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