<< <i>Frank, I know you don't care but you do realize that your continued push for crap really sets you out as a dealer to avoid for good coins and ethics, right? I know that I have ZERO desire to deal with you on coins seeing how you push for items that are really not good. >>
I am just telling you what a non-numismatist judge and jury are likely to rule, based on the law, where trade restrictions, however well intentioned to protect buyers, are almost always struck down.
If Superman could swoop down and throw all the crooked ebay sellers into a black hole, that would be great. Unfortunately we have to work within the legal system. When people think making rules and restrictions are the quick fix, one often ends up being sued by the "bad guys" and often losing. >>
Holy cr@p, Frank is telling us what a judge is "likely" to do! I've never had a REAL lawyer with big enough cojones to tell me what a judge was "likely" to do >>
And, this is different from the rest of the posters attempts to do the same thing in what way???
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Good to hear, I guess. How perchance did the name get on the complaint? >>
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Good to hear, I guess. How perchance did the name get on the complaint? >>
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Good to hear, I guess. How perchance did the name get on the complaint? >>
Civil libertarianism is a strain of political thought that emphasizes the supremacy of individual rights and personal freedoms. Civil libertarianism is not a complete ideology; rather, it is merely a collection of views on the specific issues of civil liberties and civil rights. Because of this, a civil libertarian outlook is compatible with many other political philosophies, and civil libertarianism is found on both the right and left of modern politics.
The primary concern of the civil libertarian is the relationship of the government to the individual. The civil libertarian seeks, in theory, to restrict this relationship to an absolute minimum in which the state can function and provide basic services and securities without excessively interfering in the lives of its citizens. One key cause of civil libertarianism is upholding free speech. Specifically, civil libertarians oppose bans on pornography, hate speech, and obscenity. Although they may or may not personally condone behaviors associated with these issues, civil libertarians hold that the advantages of unfettered public discourse outweigh all disadvantages.
In the United States, libertarianism is claimed to be the philosophy advocated by Thomas Jefferson and several of the Founding Fathers, it often being bundled with American conservatism, because many conservatives aim to retain the ideas of the Founders (although many conservatives are not comfortable with libertarianism)
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Civil libertarianism is a strain of political thought that emphasizes the supremacy of individual rights and personal freedoms. Civil libertarianism is not a complete ideology; rather, it is merely a collection of views on the specific issues of civil liberties and civil rights. Because of this, a civil libertarian outlook is compatible with many other political philosophies, and civil libertarianism is found on both the right and left of modern politics.
The primary concern of the civil libertarian is the relationship of the government to the individual. The civil libertarian seeks, in theory, to restrict this relationship to an absolute minimum in which the state can function and provide basic services and securities without excessively interfering in the lives of its citizens. One key cause of civil libertarianism is upholding free speech. Specifically, civil libertarians oppose bans on pornography, hate speech, and obscenity. Although they may or may not personally condone behaviors associated with these issues, civil libertarians hold that the advantages of unfettered public discourse outweigh all disadvantages.
In the United States, libertarianism is claimed to be the philosophy advocated by Thomas Jefferson and several of the Founding Fathers, it often being bundled with American conservatism, because many conservatives aim to retain the ideas of the Founders (although many conservatives are not comfortable with libertarianism) >>
Civil libertarianism is a strain of political thought that emphasizes the supremacy of individual rights and personal freedoms. Civil libertarianism is not a complete ideology; rather, it is merely a collection of views on the specific issues of civil liberties and civil rights. Because of this, a civil libertarian outlook is compatible with many other political philosophies, and civil libertarianism is found on both the right and left of modern politics.
The primary concern of the civil libertarian is the relationship of the government to the individual. The civil libertarian seeks, in theory, to restrict this relationship to an absolute minimum in which the state can function and provide basic services and securities without excessively interfering in the lives of its citizens. One key cause of civil libertarianism is upholding free speech. Specifically, civil libertarians oppose bans on pornography, hate speech, and obscenity. Although they may or may not personally condone behaviors associated with these issues, civil libertarians hold that the advantages of unfettered public discourse outweigh all disadvantages.
In the United States, libertarianism is claimed to be the philosophy advocated by Thomas Jefferson and several of the Founding Fathers, it often being bundled with American conservatism, because many conservatives aim to retain the ideas of the Founders (although many conservatives are not comfortable with libertarianism) >>
Let us not kid ourselves; the ACLU may have been a noble venture when it was started but it is anything but noble today. In my humble opinion, the ACLU is probably responsible for most of the moral decay in this Country. It is obvious that they don’t look out for everyone’s Civil Rights, you can’t have a Cross or a “moment of silence” in a public school, but you can have a “prayer rug” and “foot bath”. You can’t have a “nativity scene” on public grounds but you can have other symbols from different religions. Most Universities still have to have “quotas” even thou white males have to be in a minority by now.
Heck, there was even a case in CA where the ACLU fought for illegal aliens (undocumented workers) to get state aid and education. The poor residences of CA wonder why they are over taxed and the State is in the red. I thought the ACLU stood for American Civil Liberties Union, not the Foreign Civil Liberties Union.
Just to make this post coin related, how many times have the ACLU tried to get the motto of “IN GOD WE TRUST” removed from our coinage?
Again, anyone that donates time or money to a chapter of the ACLU needs to reconsider their decision.
while I certainly agree that the ACLU has taken things way too far, citing "sources" that are blogs of some guy in his mother's basement isn't exactly to be taken seriously. Little Green Footballs? c'mon
<< <i>The American Civil Liberties Union is neither American, nor civil. Stop the ACLU! >>
They have every right to free speech as you have. >>
Bingo! while i'm not a fan of the ACLU, i am a fan of letting a person/group share their views. I find it funny that groups like 'stop the ACLU' tries to minimize and relegate the ACLU (and groups like it) to some sort of "fringe element", when in fact they are the real fringe group. Irony is a funny thing
<< <i>The American Civil Liberties Union is neither American, nor civil. Stop the ACLU! >>
They have every right to free speech as you have. >>
Bingo! while i'm not a fan of the ACLU, i am a fan of letting a person/group share their views. I find it funny that groups like 'stop the ACLU' tries to minimize and relegate the ACLU (and groups like it) to some sort of "fringe element", when in fact they are the real fringe group. Irony is a funny thing >>
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I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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"...I blew it!"?
Set yourself up, and still didn't get it. That's a whiff.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
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<< <i>Might as well say... >>
"...I blew it!"?
Set yourself up, and still didn't get it. That's a whiff.
You cheated! You snuck in on my cheating!
And you were 100 off before the edit
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i>Frank, I know you don't care but you do realize that your continued push for crap really sets you out as a dealer to avoid for good coins and ethics, right?
I know that I have ZERO desire to deal with you on coins seeing how you push for items that are really not good. >>
I am just telling you what a non-numismatist judge and jury are likely to rule, based on the law, where trade restrictions, however well intentioned to protect buyers, are almost always struck down.
If Superman could swoop down and throw all the crooked ebay sellers into a black hole, that would be great. Unfortunately we have to work within the legal system. When people think making rules and restrictions are the quick fix, one often ends up being sued by the "bad guys" and often losing. >>
Holy cr@p, Frank is telling us what a judge is "likely" to do! I've never had a REAL lawyer with big enough cojones to tell me what a judge was "likely" to do
And, this is different from the rest of the posters attempts to do the same thing in what way???
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>What do you think about the legal action that has been filed, Ken? >>
*Sounds of crickets chirping*
And no, I'm not stalking you
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No member at SEGS talked to or corresponded with the representing law firm, nothing was signed or authorized, nor was any money paid.
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Good to hear, I guess. How perchance did the name get on the complaint? >>
I wonder if this Fairy Tale came true?
Chance favors the prepared mind.
<< <i>What do you think about the legal action that has been filed, Ken? >>
Considering our judicial system, I have to think that it's a ...............
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>Thanks for playing! >>
Heads or tails???
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
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<< <i>This message is being posted for SEGS Grading Service.
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No member at SEGS talked to or corresponded with the representing law firm, nothing was signed or authorized, nor was any money paid.
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Good to hear, I guess. How perchance did the name get on the complaint? >>
I wonder if this Fairy Tale came true? >>
Chance favors the prepared mind.
<< <i>Past president of an ACLU chapter >>
Enough said.
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<< <i>Past president of an ACLU chapter >>
Enough said.
When I saw that, I wasn't surprised.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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Enough said. >>
When I saw that, I wasn't surprised. >>
It explained a lot of things!
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<< <i>This message is being posted for SEGS Grading Service.
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No member at SEGS talked to or corresponded with the representing law firm, nothing was signed or authorized, nor was any money paid.
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Good to hear, I guess. How perchance did the name get on the complaint? >>
I wonder if this Fairy Tale came true? >>
Chance favors the prepared mind.
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Enough said. disgust >>
You should try it sometime
Civil libertarianism is a strain of political thought that emphasizes the supremacy of individual rights and personal freedoms. Civil libertarianism is not a complete ideology; rather, it is merely a collection of views on the specific issues of civil liberties and civil rights. Because of this, a civil libertarian outlook is compatible with many other political philosophies, and civil libertarianism is found on both the right and left of modern politics.
The primary concern of the civil libertarian is the relationship of the government to the individual. The civil libertarian seeks, in theory, to restrict this relationship to an absolute minimum in which the state can function and provide basic services and securities without excessively interfering in the lives of its citizens. One key cause of civil libertarianism is upholding free speech. Specifically, civil libertarians oppose bans on pornography, hate speech, and obscenity. Although they may or may not personally condone behaviors associated with these issues, civil libertarians hold that the advantages of unfettered public discourse outweigh all disadvantages.
In the United States, libertarianism is claimed to be the philosophy advocated by Thomas Jefferson and several of the Founding Fathers, it often being bundled with American conservatism, because many conservatives aim to retain the ideas of the Founders (although many conservatives are not comfortable with libertarianism)
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Enough said. >>
When I saw that, I wasn't surprised. >>
It explained a lot of things!
I agree. The guy knows coins, and I respect that, but the ACLU is a bunch of slimy Anti-American commies.
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Enough said. disgust >>
You should try it sometime
Civil libertarianism is a strain of political thought that emphasizes the supremacy of individual rights and personal freedoms. Civil libertarianism is not a complete ideology; rather, it is merely a collection of views on the specific issues of civil liberties and civil rights. Because of this, a civil libertarian outlook is compatible with many other political philosophies, and civil libertarianism is found on both the right and left of modern politics.
The primary concern of the civil libertarian is the relationship of the government to the individual. The civil libertarian seeks, in theory, to restrict this relationship to an absolute minimum in which the state can function and provide basic services and securities without excessively interfering in the lives of its citizens. One key cause of civil libertarianism is upholding free speech. Specifically, civil libertarians oppose bans on pornography, hate speech, and obscenity. Although they may or may not personally condone behaviors associated with these issues, civil libertarians hold that the advantages of unfettered public discourse outweigh all disadvantages.
In the United States, libertarianism is claimed to be the philosophy advocated by Thomas Jefferson and several of the Founding Fathers, it often being bundled with American conservatism, because many conservatives aim to retain the ideas of the Founders (although many conservatives are not comfortable with libertarianism) >>
Well said Frank!!!
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Enough said. >>
When I saw that, I wasn't surprised. >>
It explained a lot of things!
I agree. The guy knows coins, and I respect that, but the ACLU is a bunch of slimy Anti-American commies. >>
And they'll defend your right to say so to the very end.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
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Enough said. >>
When I saw that, I wasn't surprised. >>
It explained a lot of things!
I agree. The guy knows coins, and I respect that, but the ACLU is a bunch of slimy Anti-American commies. >>
And they'll defend your right to say so to the very end.
As long as you are taking a Liberal stand, poor or a minority. If you are a rich, white right-winger, you need not apply for their help
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I agree. The guy knows coins, and I respect that, but the ACLU is a bunch of slimy Anti-American commies. >>
And they'll defend your right to say so to the very end.
You bet. But the moderator would appreciate keeping this on topic.
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As long as you are taking a Liberal stand, poor or a minority. If you are a rich, white right-winger, you need not apply for their help
Does Rush Limbaugh count?
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I agree. The guy knows coins, and I respect that, but the ACLU is a bunch of slimy Anti-American commies. >>
I guess I got brainwashed looking at coins for 40 years that proclaim "Liberty"
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As long as you are taking a Liberal stand, poor or a minority. If you are a rich, white right-winger, you need not apply for their help
Does Rush Limbaugh count? >>
No.
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Enough said. disgust >>
You should try it sometime
Civil libertarianism is a strain of political thought that emphasizes the supremacy of individual rights and personal freedoms. Civil libertarianism is not a complete ideology; rather, it is merely a collection of views on the specific issues of civil liberties and civil rights. Because of this, a civil libertarian outlook is compatible with many other political philosophies, and civil libertarianism is found on both the right and left of modern politics.
The primary concern of the civil libertarian is the relationship of the government to the individual. The civil libertarian seeks, in theory, to restrict this relationship to an absolute minimum in which the state can function and provide basic services and securities without excessively interfering in the lives of its citizens. One key cause of civil libertarianism is upholding free speech. Specifically, civil libertarians oppose bans on pornography, hate speech, and obscenity. Although they may or may not personally condone behaviors associated with these issues, civil libertarians hold that the advantages of unfettered public discourse outweigh all disadvantages.
In the United States, libertarianism is claimed to be the philosophy advocated by Thomas Jefferson and several of the Founding Fathers, it often being bundled with American conservatism, because many conservatives aim to retain the ideas of the Founders (although many conservatives are not comfortable with libertarianism) >>
Let us not kid ourselves; the ACLU may have been a noble venture when it was started but it is anything but noble today. In my humble opinion, the ACLU is probably responsible for most of the moral decay in this Country. It is obvious that they don’t look out for everyone’s Civil Rights, you can’t have a Cross or a “moment of silence” in a public school, but you can have a “prayer rug” and “foot bath”. You can’t have a “nativity scene” on public grounds but you can have other symbols from different religions. Most Universities still have to have “quotas” even thou white males have to be in a minority by now.
Heck, there was even a case in CA where the ACLU fought for illegal aliens (undocumented workers) to get state aid and education. The poor residences of CA wonder why they are over taxed and the State is in the red. I thought the ACLU stood for American Civil Liberties Union, not the Foreign Civil Liberties Union.
Just to make this post coin related, how many times have the ACLU tried to get the motto of “IN GOD WE TRUST” removed from our coinage?
Again, anyone that donates time or money to a chapter of the ACLU needs to reconsider their decision.
Just to make this post coin related, how many times have the ACLU tried to get the motto of “IN GOD WE TRUST” removed from our coinage?
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Never
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<< <i>Oh yeah, the ACLU is there, watching out for all of us. Or rather, some of us. Actually, usually very small fringe groups of us. >>
while I certainly agree that the ACLU has taken things way too far, citing "sources" that are blogs of some guy in his mother's basement isn't exactly to be taken seriously. Little Green Footballs? c'mon
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Enough said. >>
When I saw that, I wasn't surprised. >>
It explained a lot of things!
I agree. The guy knows coins, and I respect that, but the ACLU is a bunch of slimy Anti-American commies. >>
I've heard rumors that you're German. Care to elaborate?
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Enough said. >>
When I saw that, I wasn't surprised. >>
It explained a lot of things!
I agree. The guy knows coins, and I respect that, but the ACLU is a bunch of slimy Anti-American commies. >>
I've heard rumors that you're German. Care to elaborate? >>
I'm part German, my great-great grandfather made stoves in Brooklyn after he emigrated in the 1850's.
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<< <i><< << Past president of an ACLU chapter >>
Enough said. >>
When I saw that, I wasn't surprised. >>
It explained a lot of things!
I agree. The guy knows coins, and I respect that, but the ACLU is a bunch of slimy Anti-American commies. >>
I've heard rumors that you're German. Care to elaborate? >>
I'm part German, my great-great grandfather made stoves in Brooklyn after he emigrated in the 1850's. >>
Some of my relatives came from Germany via Switzerland.
<< <i>Oh yeah, the ACLU is there, watching out for all of us. Or rather, some of us. Actually, usually very small fringe groups of us. >>
Yeah, they sure want limited government intrusion all right: ACLU in Michigan
<< <i>The American Civil Liberties Union is neither American, nor civil. Stop the ACLU! >>
They have every right to free speech as you have.
<< <i>Restraint of trade?
Steve >>
That would be my best guess...although as its been stated i don't see their case holding much water.
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<< <i>The American Civil Liberties Union is neither American, nor civil. Stop the ACLU! >>
They have every right to free speech as you have. >>
Bingo! while i'm not a fan of the ACLU, i am a fan of letting a person/group share their views. I find it funny that groups like 'stop the ACLU' tries to minimize and relegate the ACLU (and groups like it) to some sort of "fringe element", when in fact they are the real fringe group. Irony is a funny thing
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<< <i>The American Civil Liberties Union is neither American, nor civil. Stop the ACLU! >>
They have every right to free speech as you have. >>
Bingo! while i'm not a fan of the ACLU, i am a fan of letting a person/group share their views. I find it funny that groups like 'stop the ACLU' tries to minimize and relegate the ACLU (and groups like it) to some sort of "fringe element", when in fact they are the real fringe group. Irony is a funny thing >>
Zackly!!
<< <i>There's free speech, and then there's doing anything possible to destroy the very country that allows them that free speech. >>
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Even you!!
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<< <i>I've lost track. What is this thread about? >>
The Silver market!!
<< <i>I've lost track. What is this thread about? >>
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Chance favors the prepared mind.