Okay Kennedy collectors, here's your chance at those upgrades that rarely come along.

Russ · October 24, 2007 2:04AM

Coming up in the Heritage January FUN Signature sale are some pop top early dates that haven't come to market in public auction for several years.

1964 PCGS PR68DCAM Accented Hair, pop 8/0
1965 PCGS MS67DCAM SMS, pop 8/0
1966 PCGS MS68DCAM SMS, pop 4/0
1967 PCGS MS68DCAM SMS, pop 6/0

Not only has it been several years since any of these have come up for sale, it's been several years since PCGS has graded any of them.

This will be a fun sale to watch!

Russ, NCNE

SanctionII · October 24, 2007 2:30AM

Just curious Russ, of the four listed cins, how many of the PCGS top pops have you made; and how many of the top pops do you personally own at this time?

I recall that you made two of the 8 1964 DCAM AH halves after buying two proof sets containing the halves at a EBay auction some years back.

A further curiosity is whether the four coins that will be sold at the January FUN show have been consigned by one collector that owns all four coins or by multiple collectors. A further curiosity is the identity of the consignor. Does he or she post on the forums?

Russ · October 24, 2007 2:37AM

<< Just curious Russ, of the four listed cins, how many of the PCGS top pops have you made; and how many of the top pops do you personally own at this time? >>

Just one, a PR68DCAM Accented Hair. The other coin made on that submission was a PR65DCAM. The coins were struck from the same die pair, but the PR65 was hairlined. I've also crossed two 66DCAMs.

The best I've done in the SMS coins is one MS65DCAM for 1965, two MS66DCAM for 1966 and five MS67DCAM for 1967.

<< A further curiosity is whether the four coins that will be sold at the January FUN show have been consigned by one collector that owns all four coins or by multiple collectors. A further curiosity is the identity of the consignor. >>

I'd bet it's one consignor. Once images post of the coins, it'll be pretty easy to narrow down who it is. The possibilities are rather limited. Two of the sets that contain all four of these coins have been inactive for a while now.

Russ, NCNE

SanctionII · October 24, 2007 2:45AM

Thanks for the information Russ. I can only imagine the "top of the world feeling" you had when you made the 1964 AH 68DCAM and when you made the other coins you mentioned. Quite an accomplishment for you and a personal reward [for lots of hard work and time devoted to finding Kennedy short set silvers].

jmj3esq · October 24, 2007 3:31AM

Russ, would you have a link to the auctions?

grabba · October 24, 2007 3:35AM

Great! I need to go to the bank and refinance my house. Do you think I have enough time to do that if I start today?

That will be fun to watch!

IrishMike · October 24, 2007 3:37AM

<< Russ, would you have a link to the auctions? >>

Go to Heritage and click on the "coming soon" button. You'll see the FUN auction tab.

SFDukie · October 24, 2007 3:42AM

<< Russ, would you have a link to the auctions? >>

I'm not Russ

but here's the Pr 68 AH. once you're at heritage if you search kennedy in the signature sale area, they all come up...
Don

Russ · October 24, 2007 3:45AM

They don't have images up yet, so right now it's just words.

Russ, NCNE

Mark · October 24, 2007 3:47AM

Russ:

Given that I look at you as the resident in-house Kennedy expert, would you care to hazard even an order-of-magnitude guess about the prices these coins will realize?

Russ · October 24, 2007 3:56AM

<< Given that I look at you as the resident in-house Kennedy expert, would you care to hazard even an order-of-magnitude guess about the prices these coins will realize? >>

Assuming that the coins are tone, haze, and spot-free - and not all the examples at this grade level are - this is the ranges of what I think they'll bring:

1964 PR68DCAM Accented Hair - $8500-$9500
1965 MS67DCAM SMS - $9500-$10,500
1966 MS68DCAM SMS - $12,000-$13,000
1967 MS68DCAM SMS - $9500-$10,500

I'd note, though, that Rick Tomaska, who is arguably the most knowledgeable guy on the planet when it comes to these, has quoted higher potential numbers in the past.

Russ, NCNE

SanctionII · October 24, 2007 4:01AM

It will be very interesting to see what these coins sell for. Hopefully they will meet any reserves that will be in place for the coins.

It will also be interesting to see how many different bidders participate in the auction of the coins.

Smittys · October 24, 2007 4:15AM

<< 

<< Given that I look at you as the resident in-house Kennedy expert, would you care to hazard even an order-of-magnitude guess about the prices these coins will realize? >>

Assuming that the coins are tone, haze, and spot-free - and not all the examples at this grade level are - this is the ranges of what I think they'll bring:

1964 PR68DCAM Accented Hair - $8500-$9500
1965 MS67DCAM SMS - $9500-$10,500
1966 MS68DCAM SMS - $12,000-$13,000
1967 MS68DCAM SMS - $9500-$10,500

I'd note, though, that Rick Tomaska, who is arguably the most knowledgeable guy on the planet when it comes to these, has quoted higher potential numbers in the past.

Russ, NCNE >>

Wow moon money like that is crazy

grabba · October 24, 2007 4:17AM

<< 
1964 PR68DCAM Accented Hair - $8500-$9500
1965 MS67DCAM SMS - $9500-$10,500
1966 MS68DCAM SMS - $12,000-$13,000
1967 MS68DCAM SMS - $9500-$10,500

I'd note, though, that Rick Tomaska, who is arguably the most knowledgeable guy on the planet when it comes to these, has quoted higher potential numbers in the past.

Russ, NCNE >>

On second thought, I might have to sell the house................and my cars..............and my wife and kids............and my dog.

bestday · October 24, 2007 4:29AM

<< Coming up in the Heritage January FUN Signature sale are some pop top early dates that haven't come to market in public auction for several years.

1964 PCGS PR68DCAM Accented Hair, pop 8/0
1965 PCGS MS67DCAM SMS, pop 8/0
1966 PCGS MS68DCAM SMS, pop 4/0
1967 PCGS MS68DCAM SMS, pop 6/0

Not only has it been several years since any of these have come up for sale, it's been several years since PCGS has graded any of them.

This will be a fun sale to watch!

Russ, NCNE >>

Looks like this is coming from 1 collector ..anyone here ?

Gemineye · October 24, 2007 5:01AM

The prices for these are to much for me to bid..my budget can't swing it.These SMS coins are nice even in a lower grade.The mirror field against the grain of the cameo device make for a nice coin in those years.I hope they bring a good price...!!!

ModernCrapNut · October 24, 2007 6:23AM

Modern crap!....thought I'd add that before the bashers start

SkyMan · October 24, 2007 10:29AM

It is always interesting to see the VERY steep run-up in price for these sort of coins. Unless you are a total junkie for that material I'd bet that 99% of us couldn't tell the difference between those coins and one's grading 1 point less, which I bet would sell for SIGNIFICANTLY less. I've been collecting DCAM Frankies for around 20 years now and have yet to buy a PR69DCAM/UCAM common date as I don't think there is a significant VISUAL differance between a 68 and a 69... certainly not compared to the price differential between the two... particularly if you are willing to wait and look through a bunch of 68's to get the real creme de la creme coin for the grade.

LindeDad · October 24, 2007 10:43AM

I wonder if a friend is selling a few extras?

mnmcoin · October 24, 2007 1:52PM

Chances are they are from the same consignor, I sold those four coins to the same person about 5 years ago so chances are it is from him...but who knows.

morris

bestday · October 25, 2007 9:36AM

<< Chances are they are from the same consignor, I sold those four coins to the same person about 5 years ago so chances are it is from him...but who knows.

morris >>

Can you give a ballpark figure for sales prices ??

Russ · October 25, 2007 10:15AM

<< Chances are they are from the same consignor, I sold those four coins to the same person about 5 years ago so chances are it is from him... >>

That must be Honeycutt, since Parke's coins came from Edson, and EBL III did his buying from R&I. Unless it's a player who doesn't have a set in the registry.

Edited to add: Now that I think about it, one of Parke's - the 1966 MS68DCAM - did come through you since you sold it to Edson.

Russ, NCNE

tmot99 · October 25, 2007 10:19AM

<< 

<< 
1964 PR68DCAM Accented Hair - $8500-$9500
1965 MS67DCAM SMS - $9500-$10,500
1966 MS68DCAM SMS - $12,000-$13,000
1967 MS68DCAM SMS - $9500-$10,500

I'd note, though, that Rick Tomaska, who is arguably the most knowledgeable guy on the planet when it comes to these, has quoted higher potential numbers in the past.

Russ, NCNE >>

On second thought, I might have to sell the house................and my cars..............and my wife and kids............and my dog.

>>

Keep the dog.

Russ · November 8, 2007 4:46AM

The images are posted for this group. No slab images, though. I was hoping there'd be images of the holders so I could try and zero in on the mystery seller.

Russ, NCNE

Doogy · November 8, 2007 5:01AM

Cool, I'll bet those are some real beauties!

Since I don't collect Kennedys, I was wondering what you (Russ) thought of Dr. Naranjo's Collection in the NGC Registry sets. I was browsing there the the other day, and it looks like he has several top collections of US coins, and figured you may know him or his coins. Looks like some nice stuff.

grabba · November 8, 2007 5:37AM

<< The images are posted for this group. No slab images, though. I was hoping there'd be images of the holders so I could try and zero in on the mystery seller.

Russ, NCNE >>

I have a confession to make....they are not mine.

Russ · November 9, 2007 10:29AM

Okay, I now know who's selling.

Russ, NCNE

LindeDad · November 9, 2007 10:39AM

OK who, I don't feel like Sam Spade tonight.

Russ · November 9, 2007 10:42AM

Numero uno.

Russ, NCNE

LindeDad · November 9, 2007 10:48AM

Kids college?

And if I remember right he ended up with some extras when he got the Santos set.

Russ · November 9, 2007 10:54AM

<< And if I remember right he ended up with some extras when he got the Santos set. >>

These aren't extras. The 1966 MS68DCAM is from Edson's set, and is the coin that Don Heath made about 4 1/2 years ago. Parke had a 67DCAM in that slot when he bought Edson's.

Russ, NCNE

LindeDad · November 9, 2007 11:02AM

Should prove to be interesting many of the top ten can still use one or more of these coins.
And If I win the Mega millions tonight I could possibly play but the odds are not in my favor.
Edited to remove killer post.

Russ · December 23, 2007 4:34AM

Auctions are live and with 18 days to go until the floor auction so far prices with juice are:

1964 PCGS PR68DCAM Accented Hair - $4312.50
1965 PCGS MS67DCAM SMS - $4312.50
1966 PCGS MS68DCAM SMS - $6900
1967 PCGS MS68DCAM SMS - $195.50

Russ, NCNE

TAClough · December 23, 2007 6:34AM

<< Auctions are live and with 18 days to go until the floor auction so far prices with juice are:

1964 PCGS PR68DCAM Accented Hair - $4312.50
1965 PCGS MS67DCAM SMS - $4312.50
1966 PCGS MS68DCAM SMS - $6900
1967 PCGS MS68DCAM SMS - $195.50

Russ, NCNE >>

Those bids won't hold up, looks like someone is "bottom Feeding" with those low bids

Edited to add: I will be surprised if the 1966 SM68DCAM goes for less then $14,000.

Russ · December 23, 2007 6:43AM

<< looks like someone is "bottom Feeding" with those low bids >>

Yeah, me.

I'm still high bidder on the last one.

Russ, NCNE

LindeDad · December 23, 2007 6:53AM

I put some of the others on my watch list also. Can only hope to get some potatoes won't be around for the greavy.

BECOKA · December 23, 2007 6:53AM

Wow look at the range of prices on the price guides Heritage offers.

$68 $125 $3,810 $3,050 $2,680 $2,780 $9,500

I guess this shows it really has been a while since these have been sold.

Last price is PCGS, Russ did you have anything to do wit that?

Gemineye · December 23, 2007 7:40AM

These are amazing.I spotted these ( SMS) yesterday and was looking at them execept for the AH.I will have to look at it.I'm sure at this grading level they will command some big money....!!!

DHeath · December 23, 2007 7:52AM

The Heritage pics of the 66 are so-so. The coin is extreme in hand. I PM'd Russ the grade and designation before I submitted that coin, and it holdered MS68 Ucam at NGC before it crossed to PCGS at the same grade and designation. Here's a pic of the coin in its old holder......

BTW - Bear's 66 in 68 Dcam sold at the Goldberg auction 4-5 years ago for $11,800 + juice, if memory serves, so I'd bet $14k is close. JMO

Russ · December 23, 2007 7:56AM

And, here's a pic in its current holder:

Russ, NCNE

MadMarty · December 23, 2007 8:02AM

You know Don, that's the last time I take you up on your offer that I should send you that nasty white crud covered coin in return for a nice shiney one!!!

OPA · December 23, 2007 8:04AM

Looks like the difference between night & day...what happened?

Russ · December 23, 2007 8:07AM

<< Looks like the difference between night & day...what happened? >>

What happened to what?

Russ, NCNE

shmort6552 · December 23, 2007 9:03AM

Russ: You have probably looked at as many Kennedys as anyone. Do you think that there is, somewhere a SMS 69 D/Cam or Cameo out there????

I take it it will need to be taken right out of a set or would you think that there could be an upgrade waiting to happen?

Bruce

Russ · December 23, 2007 9:28AM

<< Do you think that there is, somewhere a SMS 69 D/Cam or Cameo out there???? >>

There may be a 1967 example out there somewhere that could achieve that grade level. The mint was dramatically more careful with handling in the third year of production. But, I don't think one exists for 1965 or 1966 - unless coins were pulled and set aside by mint employees at the time.

Russ, NCNE

shmort6552 · December 23, 2007 10:32AM

Even though I don't have the knowledge base, I have to agree. Hopefully one day a SMS set will get "broken" open and out will pop that elusive gem.

I also have you to blame for me now looking at EVERY Kennedy I see!!!!!!! Thinking about, I thank you, it's been fun.

Bruce

airedale · December 23, 2007 4:02PM

<< 

<< Looks like the difference between night & day...what happened? >>

What happened to what?

Russ, NCNE >>

Hazy now or maybe it always was and the 1st photo did not show it or it is the new plastic and not the coin that has the haze.?

BECOKA · December 23, 2007 4:40PM

Looks like the haze is from too much light on the plastic and an improper contrast.

Russ · December 24, 2007 2:20AM

There is no haze on the coin.

Russ, NCNE

OPA · December 24, 2007 2:24AM

<< There is no haze on the coin.

Russ, NCNE >>

My eyes must be going bad ... sure looks like haze on the PCGS coin though...

BECOKA · December 24, 2007 4:29PM

<< 

<< There is no haze on the coin.

Russ, NCNE >>

My eyes must be going bad ... sure looks like haze on the PCGS coin though... >>

See my reply just before Russ, basically a poor photo.

Okay Kennedy collectors, here's your chance at those upgrades that rarely come along.

Comments

Leave a Comment