<< <i>“Old farts” are judgmental, highly opinionated and closed to new concepts or ideas. >>
Does anyone else here appreciate the irony of this statement or is it just me? >>
There is no irony so it would just be you. Have I been a little harsh in counter to attacks? Sure, but I am not judging someone but rather their actions of being judgmental. You might want to sit down as that is an advanced concept.
I am quite open to new ideas. I think all kinds of collecting are great. Collect whatever you want as long as it is legal and ethical.
Am I opinionated? Sure am, but people also know I will be the quickest one to change my opinion when confronted with truth.
Do I get over riled at times? Sure, no secret there but look what I am responding to. The most interesting thread was a slam on NGC but the “people previously known as old farts”, hey I’m working on a new phrase but it takes time, proceeded to bash me personally. Only then did I refer to the PPKAOF’s as OF’s.
Griv, I generally stay out of these threads, cause they go nowhere good. However, I've read each of your posts recently, and perhaps you don't realize that you invite flames by the way you post? You start your threads with over the top statements and then proceed to insult half of the board members in the post. That, more than the fact you are talking about moderns, invites attacks. Your style is common on internat chat boards: fire a shot that will ignite flames, then periodically poor oil on the flames, until people start pointing out that you are no longer making sense, nor maintaining consistency. Then you back off, retract statements, etc. Just chill out and ask questions without attacking and you just may find people reasonable. Just a reminder (since you also edit sometimes) - here is the insulting part of your initial email - how about we count the parts that really add no value outside of trolling... ---------------------------------- "I think the time has com to separate the classics from the moderns and even the “so called” ultra moderns into separate forums. It is apparent that the crusty old farts will always feel the need to post crap since the thread titles are in one spot and these farts can’t help but pass gas.
I am tired of being attacked by bitter old buffoons that seem to think their crusty, corroded pieces of yesteryear is the end all be all in coin collecting. Farts is a totally excellent description here. Did I say stinky? Sorry, you might want to hold your breath if you can"
------------------------------- Can you really say that it is productive or mature?
<< <i>I agree. However being an old fart is not a bad thing. It's a lot better than being young worm food. And admittedly this thread is one of complete frustration as every single modern thread gets bashed endlessly like it's some kind of game with these guys. I have a lot of respect for classic collectors and think they have a lot more challenges in building their sets but I don't like to hear from these same people about what trash I collect.
It boggles my mind that people actually resent what other people collect. I boggles my mind that people would not agree that bullion coins are coins despite the Congress creating them as coins. At times it grates on my nerves and yes, I get a tad mean in return but let me see some posts criticizing some of these modern bashers for starting the row in the first place.
Maybe I’ll just start posting on every single classic thread to say that classic coins are trash and should have a warning label. I’d have every last old fart (not just half) up in arms but yet they do this every time. You guys need to grow up and quit being such jerks. >>
Another problem we have on this forum is that someone who has a complete collection thats worth hundreds of thousands of dollars has more knowledge then (vs.) the guy/gal who has the same collection worth 10x's less. Just because you are poor doesn't mean you do not have a depth of insight to what you collect.
Sometimes I edit my posts to correct errors, only one that was changed in content was the whole NGC debacle, and that was an attempt to lighten the flames not fan them. I agree that whole thread was a mistake and the message was inflammatory. I certainly feel I had my reasons but that doesn’t make it right. I’m abandoning the “OF” label and quickly transitioning from the “PPKAOF” label to one that is kinder and gentler. That’s a start. The journey of a 1,000 miles begins with 1 step. I’m sorry.
Ok.. so say this forum WAS to be split up between moderns and classics. Where to you differentiate between the two? Is it one set year for everything, or is it different depending on the series? Or is the dividing line the point where steam was introduced to the manufacturing process? I can assure you, Griv, there will never be a concensus on this board as to where the dividing line between classics and moderns should be.
<< <i>Sometimes I edit my posts to correct errors, only one that was changed in content was the whole NGC debacle, and that was an attempt to lighten the flames not fan them. I agree that whole thread was a mistake and the message was inflammatory. I certainly feel I had my reasons but that doesn’t make it right. I’m abandoning the “OF” label and quickly transitioning from the “PPKAOF” label to one that is kinder and gentler. That’s a start. The journey of a 1,000 miles begins with 1 step. I’m sorry. >>
ok, i say i'm sorry also.
but you gotta admit, you got alot more action then a "kinder & gentler" thread would of!
<< <i> You also create a "blocked list" of people that annoy you and have the software filter out their posts as well. When I say filter, I just mean that it wouldn't show up in your own view not the general one (or a view all function). >>
I've always thought this would be a great feature to add to these forums. A quick and easy way to still read interesting and informative threads without having to scroll past the individual posts of the know-it-alls or those just looking to start trouble.
<< <i>Sometimes I edit my posts to correct errors, only one that was changed in content was the whole NGC debacle, and that was an attempt to lighten the flames not fan them. I agree that whole thread was a mistake and the message was inflammatory. I certainly feel I had my reasons but that doesn’t make it right. I’m abandoning the “OF” label and quickly transitioning from the “PPKAOF” label to one that is kinder and gentler. That’s a start. The journey of a 1,000 miles begins with 1 step. I’m sorry.[/Q]ok, i say i'm sorry also.
K S >>
I'm quoting what's in bold because I have NEVER seen that poster say that in the time I have been here
<< <i>Geez, I kind of like the reoccurring “old fart” theme. The reality is being an “old fart” isn’t a physical age, it’s a state of mind so yes, you can be 25 years old and be an “old fart”. “Old farts” are judgmental, highly opinionated and closed to new concepts or ideas. >>
Now, we can get back to the REAL issue at hand....... Guessing Griv's age! My guess is 47 years old.
In my perfect world, I'd go to a coin forum where there wouldn't be any moderns, or any posts about E-bay. I don't bash moderns, even though I don't collect them. I also never insult anyone unless he / she insults me first. I do my best to ignore threads that don't interest me and suggest that others here try to do the same.
"Vou invadir o Nordeste, "Seu cabra da peste, "Sou Mangueira......."
<< <i>The problem is not about what people collect, it's what dealers and pseudo-dealers want to promote. Try to sell any quantity of this fancy bullion and see what response you get.
If you choose to collect Kennedy Halves by die variety, I have no complaint. If you try to promote Kennedy Halves by die variety and charge big premiums for made up and untested rarities, then expect some blowback. >>
This borders on the sort of thing that has caused problems in the past. The simple fact is that an awful lot of established mainstream collectors just assume that anything they don't know about must not be real. A lot of the flak is because they have no interest in the coins so they know very little about them. There's no problem with this until they attack the collectors or dealers.
There are several well established Kennedy varieties. There are more for which there is a small market.
"Fancy bullion" does have a market on EBay.
Just because there aren't large numbers of dealers servicing these niches does not mean that everyone who does is a crook or is looking to profit on coins of dub- ious value before his customers come to their senses.
This place is FAR more modern friendly than it was a few years ago.
It would be a shame to see it split up and ironically it would be the classic guys who would lose far more than the modern guys. They'd not only lose the input be- cause many modern guys wouldn't wander over but they'd lose a lot of inter- est.
I'm not sure this bothers me so much as the fact modern bashing would be dramatically reduced. The bashing probably does more to get newbies in- terested in moderns than almost anything except the states quarters.
In all honesty, I'm really impressed by the restraint shown by those who don't like the moderns in the last many months. Most of the statements aren't in the least mean spirited anymore. A lot of them are really intended as construc- tive criticism even if they are usually misplaced.
Respect each other's collecting choices, we all share a common love of coin collecting. We do not need a change, we just need a little more respect for each other.
Enthusiastic collector of British pre-decimal and Canadian decimal circulation coins.
Another forum would be a hardship? 2 or 3 clicks or 1 with a bookmark to go between. I already do that with another forum on this site. The real issue in my opinion is two fold.
1. Many people collect both and view this entire feud as idiotic. 2. Many people cannot understand why a few morons critisize what other people collect just because they don't
This does not in anyway seem to be a bad thing. IMHO
You folks have Griv all wrong, he really isn't against all the things that make this board so great, he just likes to stir the muck, that way everyone calls him every name in the book, he just loves the recognition.
On BS&T Now: Nothing. Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up! Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
<< <i> This suggestion has been made numerous times, I think it has some merit. However, your argument is weakened significantly by your obsession with flatulence and personally attacking members of the forum. In fact, based on your behavior, your position on the forum has been marginalized to the point that no matter what you say, hardly anyone would care. It is a shame because I think that you could have been a positive contributor if you had dropped the 'tude. >>
<< <i>You folks have Griv all wrong, he really isn't against all the things that make this board so great, he just likes to stir the muck, that way everyone calls him every name in the book, he just loves the recognition.
>>
I was with you until the "recognition" part. I truly abhor any public recognition for BS and this is BS and I would actually greatly appreciate if that would be something that would be honored.
No bashing from me. I collect modern crap (at least 90%) of my collection. Everyone has a right to collect what they wish and thats great. Go with what you love. I do get a little peeved when someone starts to say bahhh modern crap when I post something. But I just let it be and try to have fun doing what I'm doing. Even in a thread of bashing still can be a few replies that are actually helpful in the info that you were looking for or someone saying something good about your coin.
Have fun enjoy and wear a kevlar if you are sensative.
I'll see your bunny with a pancake on his head and raise you a Siamese cat with a miniature pumpkin on his head.
You wouldn't believe how long it took to get him to sit still for this.
<< <i>What we don't need is two coin forums. What we do need is to stop whining about folks here criticizing moderns. I collect across the board, moderns, classics. tokens and world coins. Its not always the old guys that that curl up their lip at what you collect. I've been at shows and seen plenty of 20 and 30 somethings eager to hand out collecting advice or totally disinterested in moderns and its obvious by their expressions. What we don't need is more of these silly threads. Learn to ignore and keep collecting what you enjoy. Get some starch in your diapers while you're at it too. >>
PEACE! This is the first day of the rest of your life.
<< <i>Respect each other's collecting choices, we all share a common love of coin collecting. We do not need a change, we just need a little more respect for each other. >>
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<< <i>“Old farts” are judgmental, highly opinionated and closed to new concepts or ideas. >>
Does anyone else here appreciate the irony of this statement or is it just me? >>
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<< <i>“Old farts” are judgmental, highly opinionated and closed to new concepts or ideas. >>
Does anyone else here appreciate the irony of this statement or is it just me? >>
There is no irony so it would just be you. Have I been a little harsh in counter to attacks? Sure, but I am not judging someone but rather their actions of being judgmental. You might want to sit down as that is an advanced concept.
I am quite open to new ideas. I think all kinds of collecting are great. Collect whatever you want as long as it is legal and ethical.
Am I opinionated? Sure am, but people also know I will be the quickest one to change my opinion when confronted with truth.
Do I get over riled at times? Sure, no secret there but look what I am responding to. The most interesting thread was a slam on NGC but the “people previously known as old farts”, hey I’m working on a new phrase but it takes time, proceeded to bash me personally. Only then did I refer to the PPKAOF’s as OF’s.
I generally stay out of these threads, cause they go nowhere good. However, I've read each of your posts recently, and perhaps you don't realize that you invite flames by the way you post? You start your threads with over the top statements and then proceed to insult half of the board members in the post. That, more than the fact you are talking about moderns, invites attacks. Your style is common on internat chat boards: fire a shot that will ignite flames, then periodically poor oil on the flames, until people start pointing out that you are no longer making sense, nor maintaining consistency. Then you back off, retract statements, etc.
Just chill out and ask questions without attacking and you just may find people reasonable.
Just a reminder (since you also edit sometimes) - here is the insulting part of your initial email - how about we count the parts that really add no value outside of trolling...
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"I think the time has com to separate the classics from the moderns and even the “so called” ultra moderns into separate forums. It is apparent that the crusty old farts will always feel the need to post crap since the thread titles are in one spot and these farts can’t help but pass gas.
I am tired of being attacked by bitter old buffoons that seem to think their crusty, corroded pieces of yesteryear is the end all be all in coin collecting. Farts is a totally excellent description here. Did I say stinky? Sorry, you might want to hold your breath if you can"
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Can you really say that it is productive or mature?
<< <i>In the word's of Rodney King -"Cant we all just get along?" >>
Apparently not. I just saw on the news that Rodney King has been shot.
<< <i>I agree. However being an old fart is not a bad thing. It's a lot better than being young worm food. And admittedly this thread is one of complete frustration as every single modern thread gets bashed endlessly like it's some kind of game with these guys. I have a lot of respect for classic collectors and think they have a lot more challenges in building their sets but I don't like to hear from these same people about what trash I collect.
It boggles my mind that people actually resent what other people collect. I boggles my mind that people would not agree that bullion coins are coins despite the Congress creating them as coins. At times it grates on my nerves and yes, I get a tad mean in return but let me see some posts criticizing some of these modern bashers for starting the row in the first place.
Maybe I’ll just start posting on every single classic thread to say that classic coins are trash and should have a warning label. I’d have every last old fart (not just half) up in arms but yet they do this every time. You guys need to grow up and quit being such jerks.
Another problem we have on this forum is that someone who has a complete collection thats worth hundreds of thousands of dollars has more knowledge then (vs.) the guy/gal who has the same collection worth 10x's less. Just because you are poor doesn't mean you do not have a depth of insight to what you collect.
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
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<< <i>“Old farts” are judgmental, highly opinionated and closed to new concepts or ideas. >>
Does anyone else here appreciate the irony of this statement or is it just me? >>
Let the guy (I think its a guy
Fun to watch anyway, in an embarrassing kind of way.
<< <i>read each of your posts recently, and perhaps you don't realize that you invite flames by the way you post? >>
He realizes it. In fact, that's why he posts this stuff.
Russ, NCNE
Not that I ever take my own advice
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
<< <i>Sometimes I edit my posts to correct errors, only one that was changed in content was the whole NGC debacle, and that was an attempt to lighten the flames not fan them. I agree that whole thread was a mistake and the message was inflammatory. I certainly feel I had my reasons but that doesn’t make it right. I’m abandoning the “OF” label and quickly transitioning from the “PPKAOF” label to one that is kinder and gentler. That’s a start. The journey of a 1,000 miles begins with 1 step. I’m sorry. >>
ok, i say i'm sorry also.
but you gotta admit, you got alot more action then a "kinder & gentler" thread would of!
K S
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<< <i>read each of your posts recently, and perhaps you don't realize that you invite flames by the way you post? >>
He realizes it. In fact, that's why he posts this stuff.
Russ, NCNE >>
Yea, I know, I was just being polite.
<< <i> You also create a "blocked list" of people that annoy you and have the software filter out their posts as well. When I say filter, I just mean that it wouldn't show up in your own view not the general one (or a view all function). >>
I've always thought this would be a great feature to add to these forums. A quick and easy way to still read interesting and informative threads without having to scroll past the individual posts of the know-it-alls or those just looking to start trouble.
<< <i>
<< <i>Sometimes I edit my posts to correct errors, only one that was changed in content was the whole NGC debacle, and that was an attempt to lighten the flames not fan them. I agree that whole thread was a mistake and the message was inflammatory. I certainly feel I had my reasons but that doesn’t make it right. I’m abandoning the “OF” label and quickly transitioning from the “PPKAOF” label to one that is kinder and gentler. That’s a start. The journey of a 1,000 miles begins with 1 step. I’m sorry.[/Q]ok, i say i'm sorry also.
K S >>
I'm quoting what's in bold because I have NEVER seen that poster say that in the time I have been here
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Geez, I kind of like the reoccurring “old fart” theme. The reality is being an “old fart” isn’t a physical age, it’s a state of mind so yes, you can be 25 years old and be an “old fart”. “Old farts” are judgmental, highly opinionated and closed to new concepts or ideas. >>
Now, we can get back to the REAL issue at hand....... Guessing Griv's age! My guess is 47 years old.
roadrunner
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
<< <i>In the word's of Rodney King -"Cant we all just get along?" >>
Heard on the radio today someone shot Rodney King in the face. So I guess not.
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<< <i>The problem is not about what people collect, it's what dealers and pseudo-dealers want to promote. Try to sell any quantity of this fancy bullion and see what response you get.
If you choose to collect Kennedy Halves by die variety, I have no complaint. If you try to promote Kennedy Halves by die variety and charge big premiums for made up and untested rarities, then expect some blowback. >>
This borders on the sort of thing that has caused problems in the past. The
simple fact is that an awful lot of established mainstream collectors just assume
that anything they don't know about must not be real. A lot of the flak is because
they have no interest in the coins so they know very little about them. There's no
problem with this until they attack the collectors or dealers.
There are several well established Kennedy varieties. There are more for which
there is a small market.
"Fancy bullion" does have a market on EBay.
Just because there aren't large numbers of dealers servicing these niches does
not mean that everyone who does is a crook or is looking to profit on coins of dub-
ious value before his customers come to their senses.
It would be a shame to see it split up and ironically it would be the classic guys who
would lose far more than the modern guys. They'd not only lose the input be-
cause many modern guys wouldn't wander over but they'd lose a lot of inter-
est.
I'm not sure this bothers me so much as the fact modern bashing would be
dramatically reduced.
terested in moderns than almost anything except the states quarters.
In all honesty, I'm really impressed by the restraint shown by those who don't
like the moderns in the last many months. Most of the statements aren't in
the least mean spirited anymore. A lot of them are really intended as construc-
tive criticism even if they are usually misplaced.
My apologies to those who are insulted.
I love you guys, in a manly sort of way, of course!
Just for you, fc:
I knew it would happen.
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1. Many people collect both and view this entire feud as idiotic.
2. Many people cannot understand why a few morons critisize what other people collect just because they don't
This does not in anyway seem to be a bad thing. IMHO
Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up!
Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
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This suggestion has been made numerous times, I think it has some merit. However, your argument is weakened significantly by your obsession with flatulence and personally attacking members of the forum. In fact, based on your behavior, your position on the forum has been marginalized to the point that no matter what you say, hardly anyone would care. It is a shame because I think that you could have been a positive contributor if you had dropped the 'tude.
<< <i>You folks have Griv all wrong, he really isn't against all the things that make this board so great, he just likes to stir the muck, that way everyone calls him every name in the book, he just loves the recognition.
I was with you until the "recognition" part. I truly abhor any public recognition for BS and this is BS and I would actually greatly appreciate if that would be something that would be honored.
Have fun enjoy and wear a kevlar if you are sensative.
You wouldn't believe how long it took to get him to sit still for this.
<< <i>What we don't need is two coin forums. What we do need is to stop whining about folks here criticizing moderns. I collect across the board, moderns, classics. tokens and world coins. Its not always the old guys that that curl up their lip at what you collect. I've been at shows and seen plenty of 20 and 30 somethings eager to hand out collecting advice or totally disinterested in moderns and its obvious by their expressions. What we don't need is more of these silly threads. Learn to ignore and keep collecting what you enjoy. Get some starch in your diapers while you're at it too.
Fred, Las Vegas, NV
<< <i>Respect each other's collecting choices, we all share a common love of coin collecting. We do not need a change, we just need a little more respect for each other. >>
yeah, & most importantly, respect your elders!
K S