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Okay, maybe I am wrong, NGC only kind of sucks!

Here is your chance to show why NGC should even be considered a respectable grading company. When it comes to the modern coins it's a given that NGC graded coins are at least one grade above reality. I'm sure the consensus here will be exactly in line with this with a couple NGC [fine fellows]posting [interesting] [stuff] as to why NGC should be considered anything but [an interesting] "classic" grading shop. Never mind their [interesting] holders. What [fine fellow] came up with that [interesting] design? Geez, I wonder how many collectors are [interesting] enough to want their coins in [an interesting] NGC [stuff] holder.

Sound off if you are in disagreement, I love to hear [interesting fellows] on the hill. image

Edited to change the title and "brighten" up my dialogue based on the new kinder and gentler Griv.




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  • JeremyDie1JeremyDie1 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭
    What?
  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,099 ✭✭✭
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  • I won't go into the long drawn out speech like above. But there is a point. Just look at resale values, the demand goes one way and not the other.
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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,343 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Man, I'm glad I collect coins and not slabs.


  • << <i>Man, I'm glad I collect coins and not slabs. >>




    ohhhhhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, what he said.
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I prefer my coins in PCGS holders because of the overall market perception and acceptability...but it really depends on the coin, of course. image
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am on record, here and ATS, for not being a fan of the holder design, but NGC offers excellent customer service and generally does a good job grading. NGC appears to be grading classics tougher than PCGS, too. image
  • metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Buy the coin , not the holder. I have old holdered NGC coins grading MS65 that would easily cross over to PCGS 66!

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  • Different organizations can have different standards. So long as you are comfortable with the standards, or at least recognize the differences, there should be no problem.

    There are very knowledgable researchers and graders at both NGC and PCGS. Most of them from both companies could teach me so much stuff it would make my head spin.
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,604 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have several coins in PCGS holders that upgraded from their original [graded within 6 years] NGC holders. Tell me, how can all you say about NGC be true if PCGS graded the coins even higher than they did? image
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭
    I like the NGC holder design - the white background is nice, they have fewer crevices than most other slabs, and the edges are reeded like a coin's.
  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,613 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have several coins in PCGS holders that upgraded from their original [graded within 6 years] NGC holders. Tell me, how can all you say about NGC be true if PCGS graded the coins even higher than they did? image >>


    Since grading is only an opinion, I suspect many people could show similar examples of NGC grading tougher than PCGS...and many people could show examples of PCGS grading tougher than NGC. On any given day, it could go either way. Both companies have competent and consistent graders and both companies continue to be recognized as the top tier with other companies bringing up the rear. It's been this way for a long time.

    But recently it seems that PCGS has gained more market acceptance for grading accuracy and consistency. Why do you think that is?
  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What I like about NGC - I can get a modern gold coin in grade 70 for near spot. Even ModernCoinMart is starting to sell some PCGS.
    Bravo to PCGS for finding the higher ground. Someone has to be second.

    Miles
    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139
    Like nobody has ever sent a nice coin to NGC and had it properly graded and kept it in that shell? Please. I sure as hell am not going to cross all of my NGC and ANACS coins to PCGS. PCGS is great, perhaps the best of the bunch, but not walking on water great. (I must need some koolade.)

    Also, I think gold looks smashing in those white NGC holders.
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  • JeremyDie1JeremyDie1 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭
    We are on a PCGS message board. See what they say about this topic over at Collectors Society (NGC) boards.
  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    I like PCGS & NGC.image
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  • << <i>Man, I'm glad I collect coins and not slabs. >>




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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,020 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I prefer my coins in PCGS holders because of the overall market perception and acceptability...but it really depends on the coin, of course. >>




    << <i>I am on record, here and ATS, for not being a fan of the holder design, but NGC offers excellent customer service and generally does a good job grading. >>



    I agree with both of these statements. NGC is fine by me, even if their holders are a little blah. I do prefer PCGS, but NGC deserves to be #2 of "The Big Two" that stand alone in the top tier. And in the top tier, #2 is still respectable. It's not #1, but second place is better than third or fourth or sixth, and the vast, yawning abyss below that.

    I respect both of The Big Two, and I don't ever see myself being such a plastic snob that I would only accept coins in the #1 service's holder. (Except in a PCGS Registry situation, of course.)

    (Edited to remove the usual typos and unnecessary parentheses.)

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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think New England will go 16-0.
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess I need to clarify my post...it was in response to "I think New England will go 16-0."

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,020 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like fettucine alfredo with blackened shrimp.

    Or chicken.

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  • JeremyDie1JeremyDie1 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭
    New England will lose their last game to the Giants.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,020 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh, and add some bacon bits and chopped green onion. Maybe a few sliced ripe olives.

    Artichoke hearts, too? Hm. Maybe. But nah, that'd be overdoing it.

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Here is your chance to show why NGC should even be considered a respectable grading company. When it comes to the modern coins it's a given that NGC graded coins are at least one grade above reality. I'm sure the consensus here will be exactly in line with this with a couple NGC bigots posting idiotic crap as to why NGC should be considered anything but a has been "classic" grading shop. Never mind their ugly holders. What idiot moron came up with that lame design? Geez, I wonder how many collectors are stupid enough to want their coins in a junky NGC POS holder.

    Sound off if you are in disagreement, I love to hear fools on the hill"

    Forum member replies: "Yes. Unfortunately, you're probably right."

    Got it?

    Miles

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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    I think New England will go 16-0.

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  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have no problem with NGC... I even seen muti-million dollar coins in those holders too... I'll even buy them in ANACS, PCI, or even PCGS... All I care about, is the coin itself, not the plastic.
  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
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  • KonaheadKonahead Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭
    get a life
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  • GrivGriv Posts: 2,804
    Folks, be real. I say once again, with the modern coins, NGC sucks and isn't worth the time of day. I acknowledge they are good with the classic stick-in-the-mud crusty old shiite stuff but that is off topic. Their holder even smells of grandma's rubbing elixers. Eh gads! Sorry if I insulted any crusty old farts out there but I am the last person to cause any irregularity in your schedules.

    Anyway, I think the point has been made and the market continues to validate what my post alluded to. Get on the train my friends, don't end up a grease spot. image
  • <<Anyway, I think the point has been made and the market continues to validate what my post alluded to. Get on the train my friends, don't end up a grease spot.>>

    Where is that Kool-Aid icon? Where is (I never thought I'd say this!) Dork Karl?

    Look at the coin man! Sorry Griv, but you are comming off as a lover of plastic rather than someone who likes coins...
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,020 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the Koolaid icon is in the author icon bank somewhere. Didn't Cameron or somebody wear it for a while? Looks like Griv is trying it on. image

    That's okay, though, Griv. You're allowed to be a Koolaid drinker, here. After all, this IS the right place for it. Koolaid central, if you like. (Well, technically, I guess the Registry Forum would be Koolaid central.)

    I like Koolaid just fine. But I also like iced tea.

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  • Griv:

    THE ONLY TWO EXCEPTIONS:

    1.) American Silver Eagle Coins

    NGC is the Market Accepted LEADER for these Graded Coins. PCGS gave that franchise to them.

    2.) Encapsulated First Day Coin Covers

    NGC is the Market Accepted LEADER for these Graded Coins. These ARE the ONLY "Certified First Strike Coins" from the US Mint, by the US Min.
    PCGS gave that franchise to them this year by refusing to come out with a competing product.
  • GrivGriv Posts: 2,804
    Show a few facts here or shut the heck up. I have seen this same issue go back and forth with little real documentation so, "Where is the BEEF???"

    To be totally honest, there isn't a coin grading company that understands the modern coin market better and even more impressive is PCGS's strict and consistant grading of the most exciting coin set in my VERY SHORT, hhmmmm, lifespan, the silver/gold/platinum eagles. Only the crusty old fart bags have enough stupidity (remember, they are also in the lime green streatch pants) to say the eagle sets are anything less than the gratest thing to hapen in numismatics in forever.

    Are you idiots happy with the clad crap? Do you want our nation's coinage to be completely crap?

    Even you ignorant classic bigots can appreciate where I am coming from. Look at it as an investment for your grands. I would hate to hear the boo hoos from those that where foolsih enough to wit until gold hits 1000+ pe oz. Laugh but I have be talking this since $364/oz (oh yes!) and silver at $4.90/oz (yes sir) oh and platinum at $600/oz (ouch!!!) and finally palladium at $280/oz (!).

    The bottom line my friends is if I had more to invest then I could retire right now so maybe if I keep investing in US S, G & P then maybe one day soon. image
  • GrivGriv Posts: 2,804


    << <i>Griv:

    THE ONLY TWO EXCEPTIONS:

    1.) American Silver Eagle Coins

    NGC is the Market Accepted LEADER for these Graded Coins. PCGS gave that franchise to them. >>



    That is beyond funny. The ASE NGC market is crap.



    << <i>2.) Encapsulated First Day Coin Covers >>



    What kind of drugs are you on? That is one of the most uneducated statements I have ever heard. NGC does suck and your graded NGC coins will suck but some people are okay with that. One man's trash is another man's, well, in this case, trash, but best of luck with that NGC toliet paper. image Sucks to sell for 30% less than PCGS but you get what you pay for. image I mean this is the very nicest way. Passion can be a deadly thing. image
  • TexastTexast Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Griv:

    THE ONLY TWO EXCEPTIONS:

    1.) American Silver Eagle Coins

    NGC is the Market Accepted LEADER for these Graded Coins. PCGS gave that franchise to them. >>



    I have to agree with COINBOY on this one, the numbers speak for themselves, It does not mean NGC grades better or worse than PCGS, just that PCGS lost the market for them over the past two years, The fact that PCGS waited to announce they would give 70's on the "W" MS strikes weeks after their release this year, the fact that to grade with an "Early Release" label vs. a "First Strike" label is close to half the price unless your doing dealer bulk, and the fact that 70's sell better than 69's no matter which party grades them and with the odd's being that you will get more with NGC that's where they tend to go. The Market share numbers for the last two years are very clear.

    I did not include the regular bullion strikes, PCGS has not given a single business strike an MS70 this year, and for 2006 there was only 4, and I'm not sure that is not a mechanical error on those.


    2006-W
    Mint State
    PCGS Graded – 17,135 MS70’s – 170 ----- 0.99%
    NGC Graded – 82,212 MS70’s – 12,128 -- 14.75%

    Market Share - PCGS 17.25% - NGC 82.75%


    Reverse Proof
    PCGS Graded – 15,820 PR70’s – 1630 --- 10.30%
    NGC Graded – 37,929 PF70’s – 6633 --- 17.48%

    Market Share – PCGS 29.74% - NGC 70.56%

    Proof
    PCGS DCAM – 24,465 PR70’s – 2897 ---11.84%
    NGC UCAM – 62,627 PF70’s – 26,357 – 42.08%

    Market Share – PCGS 28.09% - NGC – 71.91%

    2007-W
    Mint State
    PCGS Graded – 2,378 MS70’s – 189 --- 7.94%
    NGC Graded – 77,032 MS70’s – 15,063 – 19.55%

    Market Share – PCGS 3.00% - NGC 97.00%

    Proof
    PCGS DCAM – 3,345 PR70’s – 553 --- 16.53%
    NGC UCAM – 39,074 PF70’s – 20,313 – 51.98%

    Market Share – PCGS 7.89% - NGC 92.11%
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  • jdillanejdillane Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭
    Significant statistical backup by Texast. IMO (though it looks like a stat) over 99% of the buyers or 70s vs 69s are buying the holder not the coin cuz they could not differentiate the coins outside the holder if their life depended on it!
  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭
    Are you a PCGS insider or a CLCT stockholder? Anyone who is such a kiss-up to PCGS and disparager of NGC should immediately be examined for their motives. Sounds like a "pump and dump" investor using corporate message boards to promote a stock they own. The SEC has fined people for such activity.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,509 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What difference does it make what holder your coin is in as long as it has a CAC sticker?

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  • morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the coin fits the grade, I don't care what it's housed in.

    Well, not SGS, or NNC, or WCG, and probably others.

    I've seen overgraded coins in PCGS and NGC holders.

    There is the human element. Do we really want a compter app. to grade our coins? Not me.

    I prefer the PCGS holder, for it's strength, look, and market value.
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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭
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  • I like NGC's holder...
  • I like coins...

    The holder it might be in is only important when served with kool aid...

    Whatever flavor a person prefers will determine which holder they prefer...

    The marketplace might seem to prefer PCGS holders...

    ...yet, time and again, I find that true collectors prefer nice coins...image
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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I use different companies for different reasons:

    PCGS- I send coins here if I think it will grade well, since coins in their slabs bring the highest prices.

    NGC- I usually send to them via NCS- I've had very good results doing this, with a number of coins.

    ANACS- I take VAMs and other varieties to them, along with problem coins that I feel should be slabbed. I think their grading is on par with the other two services, and, in some ways, stricter because they will grade problem coins.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Grading is an Art, Not Rocket Science", as I've seen coins in all TGP holders that I thought where over-graded, and under-graded.

    "Buying the Coin not the Slab Insert" is the golden rule, as if you don't agree with it... don't whip out your wallet.

    In the end it all comes down to "Are You Smarter then a Third Grader"??? image

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  • mozeppamozeppa Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I like the NGC holder design - the white background is nice, they have fewer crevices than most other slabs, and the edges are reeded like a coin's. >>





    aw crap!

    now i got to check all my Lincolns for edge reeding!....thank God i don't collect nickels or sacky-ja-widgets.
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Here is your chance to show why NGC should even be considered a respectable grading company. When it comes to the modern coins it's a given that NGC graded coins are at least one grade above reality. I'm sure the consensus here will be exactly in line with this with a couple NGC bigots posting idiotic crap as to why NGC should be considered anything but a has been "classic" grading shop. Never mind their ugly holders. What idiot moron came up with that lame design? Geez, I wonder how many collectors are stupid enough to want their coins in a junky NGC POS holder.

    Sound off if you are in disagreement, I love to hear fools on the hill. image >>

    are you really, truly this stupid? even in real life?

    K S
  • I think this is the old "my dad can beat up your dad" mentality! Very childish....and although the songs of praise are ringing out, I hope the PCGS moderators see how silly this thread is and it goes bye bye!


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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭

    I got to say, I love threads like these. image


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