Crossover from PCGS to NGC (Results)

mike92694 · November 26, 2007 8:07AM

Yes, I do cross over from PCGS to NGC also. Here are the results.

1902 10c from PCGS PR64 to NGC PR63
1897-O 25c from PCGS VF30 to NGC VF30
1906 50c from PCGS PR64 to NGC PR63
1943-S 50c from PCGS MS66 to NGC MS66
1925-S California from PCGS MS65 to NGC MS65

cheezhed · November 26, 2007 8:08AM

3 out of 5 crossed.

Are you satisfied with the results?

doh · November 26, 2007 8:08AM

Are all your other coins in NGC holders? Why would you purposely decrease the value of your collection like that?

fc · November 26, 2007 8:09AM

it appears your eye for proofs needs to improve a bit?
otherwise for circ strikes you are right on the money.

BECOKA · November 26, 2007 8:10AM

Now you can cross them back take the average grade and you will have a good idea what it actually is.

cheezhed · November 26, 2007 8:11AM

But will they sticker?

ColonialCoinUnion · November 26, 2007 8:12AM

As a next step, you can try to cross them to PCI.

SeattleSlammer · November 26, 2007 8:18AM

it appears your eye for proofs needs to improve a bit?

More like PCGS' eye for proofs needs to improve; or maybe NGC's eye for proofs needs to improve?

Mesquite · November 26, 2007 8:23AM

What would happen if you now submitted those NGC slabs to PCGS - would the two proofs upgrade? I doubt it.

BECOKA · November 26, 2007 8:35AM

<< What would happen if you now submitted those NGC slabs to PCGS - would the two proofs upgrade? I doubt it. >>

It is possible that these two are liners and would change if re-submitted to NGC as well.

ricko · November 26, 2007 8:39AM

Oh no... could one service be tighter than another? Say it isn't so....

Cheers, RickO

BlindedByEgo · November 26, 2007 8:40AM

<< As a next step, you can try to cross them to PCI. >>

You skipped ANACS. Nothing like a net grade holder for one or two

dizzyfoxx · November 26, 2007 8:54AM

<< As a next step, you can try to cross them to PCI. >>

...and then ultimately crack them out and put them in 2x2's.

pharmer · November 26, 2007 8:59AM

Congrats.

jessewvu · November 26, 2007 9:27AM

I doubt the grades would have come out the same if NGC hadn't seen the PCGS grades first

Russ · November 26, 2007 9:40AM

Why cross from PCGS to NGC? Was the value of your collection getting too high? You needed to decrease it?

Russ, NCNE

orie · November 26, 2007 9:43AM

It would be interesting to now crack 'em out and send to PCGS and then raw to NGC. You might find out that the whole deal is bogus.

TwoSides2aCoin · November 26, 2007 9:59AM

Mind if I use this space to increase my thread count ?
Thanks

ozzyfan269 · November 26, 2007 10:27AM

You must be joking. Is it April 1st yet?

rbalderman1 · November 26, 2007 10:29AM

Who did you buy the coins off originally???? maybe a "friend" of pcgs?

Griv · November 26, 2007 10:36AM

<< Yes, I do cross over from PCGS to NGC also. Here are the results.

1902 10c from PCGS PR64 to NGC PR63
1897-O 25c from PCGS VF30 to NGC VF30
1906 50c from PCGS PR64 to NGC PR63
1943-S 50c from PCGS MS66 to NGC MS66
1925-S California from PCGS MS65 to NGC MS65 >>

That's pretty darn lame in about 3 different ways. If you want to throw good money after bad then just ship your coins to me and call it a business loss. You'll get more from Uncle Sam then these dogs are now worth.

Goldbully · November 26, 2007 10:36AM

<< Yes, I do cross over from PCGS to NGC also. Here are the results.

1902 10c from PCGS PR64 to NGC PR63
1897-O 25c from PCGS VF30 to NGC VF30
1906 50c from PCGS PR64 to NGC PR63
1943-S 50c from PCGS MS66 to NGC MS66
1925-S California from PCGS MS65 to NGC MS65 >>

Can you please explain to the many responders on your thread, what your motivation was in crossing to NGC?

I am at a total loss!

TwoSides2aCoin · November 26, 2007 10:47AM

I know of one series where these two companies don't agree. It looks like you found a few more.

SeattleSlammer · November 26, 2007 11:00AM

Note to self #1: do not cross from PCGS to NGC
Note to self #2: if you break rule #1 do not under any circumstances tell PCGS forum members about it

DJCoinz · November 26, 2007 11:00AM

Not bad... 3 outta 5.

ModernCrapNut · November 26, 2007 11:00AM

Now submit them to CAC and you can have some more money in grading fees.

DJCoinz · November 26, 2007 11:00AM

<< Note to self #2: if you break rule #1 do not under any circumstances tell PCGS forum members about it

>>

ABSilvercoins · November 26, 2007 11:38AM

Hoping Mike will have a good solid reason for this, and let us know what it is...

ILikeMercs · November 26, 2007 11:41AM

<< Are all your other coins in NGC holders? Why would you purposely decrease the value of your collection like that? >>

still the same coins.

MFH · November 26, 2007 11:54AM

If you keep crossing them back and forth, sooner or later you'll get some
nice entries for the Low-Ball Registry...

Had to laugh, NGC dropped some a point - which is exactly what PCGS
usually does to NGC coins.

I would have requested that these coins crossed grade for grade,
not cross at any grade.

Goldbully · November 26, 2007 11:58AM

<< If you keep crossing them back and forth, sooner or later you'll get some
nice entries for the Low-Ball Registry...

Had to laugh, NGC dropped some a point - which is exactly what PCGS
usually does to NGC coins.

I would have requested that these coins crossed grade for grade,
not cross at any grade. >>

MFH, you make too much sense here!!

I wonder if mike92694 is yanking our collective chain.

I hope so, for his sake.

19Lyds · November 26, 2007 12:01PM

<< If you keep crossing them back and forth, sooner or later you'll get some
nice entries for the Low-Ball Registry...

Had to laugh, NGC dropped some a point - which is exactly what PCGS
usually does to NGC coins.

I would have requested that these coins crossed grade for grade,
not cross at any grade. >>

BINGO!

I've seen crowing about some pretty silly decisions but this one jumps right to the top of the list!

Coxe · November 26, 2007 12:04PM

Oh yeah? Just try to cross them to SGS now.

bushmaster8 · November 26, 2007 12:15PM

"Balls", said the Queen. "If I had balls, I'd be King!"

LindeDad · November 26, 2007 12:17PM

<< Not bad... 3 outta 5. >>

Naaa they all went down in value.

MFH · November 26, 2007 12:32PM

<< "Balls", said the Queen. "If I had balls, I'd be King!" >>

To be specific, the correct quote is...

"Balls said the Queen, if I had two, I'd be King".

Kaelasdad · November 26, 2007 12:33PM

Frankly, Im very surprised, more than half should have graded Pr70UC, with the rest in 69s. You mean they actually looked at the coins and then graded them? Is this something new theyre trying? Or maybe they just ran out of 69 and 70 labels.

mike92694 · November 26, 2007 1:33PM

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<< Yes, I do cross over from PCGS to NGC also. Here are the results.

1902 10c from PCGS PR64 to NGC PR63
1897-O 25c from PCGS VF30 to NGC VF30
1906 50c from PCGS PR64 to NGC PR63
1943-S 50c from PCGS MS66 to NGC MS66
1925-S California from PCGS MS65 to NGC MS65 >>

Can you please explain to the many responders on your thread, what your motivation was in crossing to NGC?

I am at a total loss! >>

I am a member of the NGC Collector's Society (in addition to the PCGS Collector's Club) and these are my 5 freebies for the year.

mike92694 · November 26, 2007 1:36PM

<< Who did you buy the coins off originally???? maybe a "friend" of pcgs? >>

No. Not a friend of PCGS.

But all but one (the 1902 Dime) have been bought from known active forum members.

Goldbully · November 26, 2007 1:36PM

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<< Yes, I do cross over from PCGS to NGC also. Here are the results.

1902 10c from PCGS PR64 to NGC PR63
1897-O 25c from PCGS VF30 to NGC VF30
1906 50c from PCGS PR64 to NGC PR63
1943-S 50c from PCGS MS66 to NGC MS66
1925-S California from PCGS MS65 to NGC MS65 >>

Can you please explain to the many responders on your thread, what your motivation was in crossing to NGC?

I am at a total loss! >>

I am a member of the NGC Collector's Society (in addition to the PCGS Collector's Club) and these are my 5 freebies for the year. >>

And that's the best you could come up with????

mike92694 · November 26, 2007 1:38PM

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<< Yes, I do cross over from PCGS to NGC also. Here are the results.

1902 10c from PCGS PR64 to NGC PR63
1897-O 25c from PCGS VF30 to NGC VF30
1906 50c from PCGS PR64 to NGC PR63
1943-S 50c from PCGS MS66 to NGC MS66
1925-S California from PCGS MS65 to NGC MS65 >>

Can you please explain to the many responders on your thread, what your motivation was in crossing to NGC?

I am at a total loss! >>

I am a member of the NGC Collector's Society (in addition to the PCGS Collector's Club) and these are my 5 freebies for the year. >>

And that's the best you could come up with????

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It's nice to do comparisons.

Goldbully · November 26, 2007 1:40PM

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<< Yes, I do cross over from PCGS to NGC also. Here are the results.

1902 10c from PCGS PR64 to NGC PR63
1897-O 25c from PCGS VF30 to NGC VF30
1906 50c from PCGS PR64 to NGC PR63
1943-S 50c from PCGS MS66 to NGC MS66
1925-S California from PCGS MS65 to NGC MS65 >>

Can you please explain to the many responders on your thread, what your motivation was in crossing to NGC?

I am at a total loss! >>

I am a member of the NGC Collector's Society (in addition to the PCGS Collector's Club) and these are my 5 freebies for the year. >>

And that's the best you could come up with????

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It's nice to do comparisons. >>

True True......thanks for your candor.

malachi555 · November 26, 2007 1:40PM

<< Mind if I use this space to increase my thread count ?
Thanks

>>

Me too. Thanks

Ronyahski · November 26, 2007 1:56PM

You went 2 for 5 on downgrades. If you went 2 for 5 on upgrades you might have broke even.

Expensive way to do comparisons.

mike92694 · November 26, 2007 1:58PM

<< If you keep crossing them back and forth, sooner or later you'll get some
nice entries for the Low-Ball Registry...

Had to laugh, NGC dropped some a point - which is exactly what PCGS
usually does to NGC coins.

I would have requested that these coins crossed grade for grade,
not cross at any grade. >>

I have a long list of "Crossover Downgrades", mostly from NGC to PCGS, which will make even the Schadenfreude enthusiast cringe.

Mike

doh · November 26, 2007 2:34PM

<< still the same coins. >>

The coins may be the same, but the value, resale ability, and collector perception are now vastly different.

dorkkarl · November 26, 2007 10:32PM

"crossover" has simply got to be THE dumbest subject for discussion in the history of numismatics.

K S

ColonialCoinUnion · November 26, 2007 10:38PM

<< "crossover" has simply got to be THE dumbest subject for discussion in the history of numismatics.

K S >>

Nonsense. I can think of many dumber discussions, including the one about which storage devices the mint intended your coins to be in.

TwoSides2aCoin · November 27, 2007 12:37AM

Remember when you took tests in school ? Incorrect answers seem to stick in your head after the test is returned and a "grade" given. So we look at the answers that were wrong and it seems we never forget what the right answer is after that. I hope the lesson is learned by thousands of people. (hey lurker brothers and sisters, are you watching ? )

In another thread , there's the limelight shining on a guy who's selling problem coins from ANACS holders on ebay and nobody seems to care. Integrity in numismatics ? No wonder there are no college courses. Not even the teachers get it right on a regular basis and the posse/ebay police around here could give a CRAP for the integrity of which we speak.

Numismatics

Hello ?

Is it about the coin, the plastic, the characteristics of the die or the dealer ?
Thanks PCGS for having such a cool hallway to hang out in !

dorkkarl · November 27, 2007 2:29AM

<< Nonsense. I can think of many dumber discussions >>

this .... does not surprise me.

K S

paigowjohnny · November 27, 2007 2:36AM

<< Why cross from PCGS to NGC? Was the value of your collection getting too high? You needed to decrease it?

Russ, NCNE >>

Holy Cow Russ...you aren't chugging kool aid now as well, are you ??!!

Crossover from PCGS to NGC (Results)

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