Ebay delists 9 of my auctions, over $10,000 worth of coins in the last day of the auctions

SeatedLibertyKeys · November 10, 2007 3:24AM

No explanation given by ebay. I didn't have any prices in the title, no reference to numerical grades, nothing against ebay policies. 9 auctions survived despite being listed the same way.

This may actually be the final straw with me and ebay, and since ebay was my only outlet for coins, I may now be out of the business.

This is unbelievable to me.

I actually don't have words to describe this right now. Over $10,000 in auctions gone, for no reason.

Texast · November 10, 2007 3:26AM

Link to other auctions??

SeatedLibertyKeys · November 10, 2007 3:30AM

74-cc half

1885 nickel

SeatedLibertyKeys · November 10, 2007 3:31AM

does anyone have a phone number I can call ebay with? Ebay gave me one, but it doesn't seem to be working.

droopyd · November 10, 2007 3:34AM

800-717-EBAY (800-717-3229)

SeatedLibertyKeys · November 10, 2007 3:34AM

Dear seatedlibertykeydates,

You recently listed the following listing:

160177109662 - 1889 P Seated Half Dollar AU Key Date 12,711 Minatge
160175136248 - 1873 CC Seated Half Dollar AU Key Date 214,560 Mintage
160177931059 - 1866 S No Motto Seated Half Dollar XF+ Key Date
160175112942 - 1857 C Gold Dollar $1 AU Key Date 13,280 Mintage
160176380460 - 1797 Draped Bust Large Cent AU S-128 Key Date
160175124192 - 1858 C Gold Liberty $5.00 AU Key Date 38,856 Mintage
160176027087 - 1895 O Morgan Dollar Slider Uncirculated Key Date

The listing was removed because it violated the eBay Counterfeit Currency and Stamps policy. All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has
been canceled.

notwilight · November 10, 2007 3:37AM

Ebay is in a deleting frenzy. Their drones don't know anything about coins and apparently have been told if in doubt delete. So my guess is you're an honest seller than has been reported by the slimes that are upset at the new rules.

Last night they pulled a bunch of my modern auctions even though they had been reviewed by dayshift Trust and Safety and I have an e-mail from them stating that they meet the new rules.

They also send all your bidders a note telling them that the auction was removed for violations of eBay's counterfeit and....policy. So they will probably never bid on another raw coin of yours.
All I can tell you is that you are in good company. Many honest sellers are taking torpedos right now.

--Jerry

clackamas · November 10, 2007 3:37AM

You can't list the grade in the title unless it is in an approved third party slab.... I think....

notwilight · November 10, 2007 3:40AM

<< You can't list the grade in the title unless it is in an approved third party slab.... I think.... >>

you can't list numerical grades. None of these had numerical grades. The drones might have thought the designation was a numerical grade in some of them. But truly, i think these auctions meet the new rules. --jerry

SeatedLibertyKeys · November 10, 2007 3:42AM

I'm on the phone with them now, on hold.

Hopefully I'll get an explanation.

Walkerguy21D · November 10, 2007 3:43AM

I thought you couldn't list a numerical grade, like MS64, in the title (unless in an approved TPG holder); a grade like "AU" I thought was Ok?
Greg

StrikeOutXXX · November 10, 2007 3:44AM

<< 

<< You can't list the grade in the title unless it is in an approved third party slab.... I think.... >>

you can't list numerical grades. None of these had numerical grades. The drones might have thought the designation was a numerical grade in some of them. But truly, i think these auctions meet the new rules. --jerry >>

I agree. I didn't see anything, unless they thought the mintage figures in the title were prices.

The only even percentage of a chance issue I saw was the following line:
some of these coins are market acceptable, and would be slabbed by PCGS or NGC.

Perhaps they thought it may be keyword spamming? But I thought that only applied to titles. They are somewhat out of control, and need to fix their generic e-mail so you know what they think you did wrong. Just crazy.

OPA · November 10, 2007 3:44AM

I personally don't see anything wrong with your auctions, but you are in a "gray" area by mentioning NGC & PCGS in your write-up. Not sure if AU or EF in the title falls under the following guidelines..

A numeric grade is not included in the title of the listing, such as MS-65, VF-25, etc. A numeric grade may only be included in the description of the listing.
The grading company or price guide is not referenced in the title or description.

notwilight · November 10, 2007 3:45AM

<< I'm on the phone with them now, on hold. Hopefully I'll get an explanation. >>

They'll tell you you can't talk to Trust and Safety, send them an e-mail. they should be able to give you a cryptic explanation of why the auction was ended. That's about it. They can't undo what was done and they can't send an e-mail to your customers telling them you're a good guy. The customer service rep will say I'm sorry and you can get a cup of starbucks with that apology and $3. --jerry

jwoodfield · November 10, 2007 3:46AM

Dude you think this is bad, I had 10 listings taken off on rare coins I listed, eBay says they are counterfiet because I mentioned the grade that had been assigned by a grading service IN MY DESCRIPTION!!! NOTHING IN THE TITLE

I HATE EBAY. THEY ARE A BUNCH OF STUPID RETARDS THAT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT COINS.......

GoldenEyeNumismatics · November 10, 2007 3:47AM

I think I mentioned this once before when some of your stuff was being deleted

Stop giving mintage numbers in the title. Any numbers will piss them off.

BAJJERFAN · November 10, 2007 3:48AM

Is their fone nummer 1-800-azz-hole??? if not it shud be.

ABSilvercoins · November 10, 2007 3:54AM

The email from eBay implies that you are selling counterfeit coins and THAT doesn't seem too likely, given your track record.

I saw no way you had violated any policies. (Not that my opinion carries any weight...)

Here is the number I have for customer support: 800-717-EBAY (800-717-3229)

I hope you can get this resolved to your favor in a reasonble time frame.

Your Feedback: (perfect)

seatedlibertykeydates ( 119)

Feedback Score: 119
Positive Feedback: 100%

Members who left a positive: 119
Members who left a negative: 0

All positive Feedback: 143

Let us know what happens from here.

Russ · November 10, 2007 3:56AM

SLK,

If the ended listings were just like the ones you linked, you got screwed by a brainless drone.

<< They also send all your bidders a note telling them that the auction was removed for violations of eBay's counterfeit and.... >>

Not correct. The eMail that goes to bidders is generic and doesn't mention the word counterfeit.

Russ, NCNE

notwilight · November 10, 2007 3:57AM

<< I HATE EBAY. THEY ARE A BUNCH OF STUPID RETARDS THAT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT COINS....... >>

They don't claim to know anything about coins. They are trying to do with with laymen implementing rules written with help from (supposedly) the ANA and feedback from some honest sellers. I gave them my opinions before the new rules came into effect but they apparently totally ignored sellers with duplicates (perhaps dozens) of moderns like me. --jerry

notwilight · November 10, 2007 4:00AM

Russ,
Isn't this the message they send?

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0>

<TR>
<TD><IMG src="http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif" width=1></TD>
<TD>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0>

<TR>
<TD align=left></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><IMG height=10 src="http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif"></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top align=left width="100%">Dear carlsbadeagletrader,

You recently listed the following listing:

140174172013 - 2007 P D PCGS MS66 FDI Adams Dollar 4-Coin Set PD AB
140177033665 - 2007 P D PCGS MS66 FDI Adams Dollar 4-Coin Set PD AB

The listing was removed because it violated the eBay Counterfeit Currency and Stamps policy. All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has
been canceled.
</TD></TR></TABLE></TD></TR></TABLE>

DoubleEagle59 · November 10, 2007 4:01AM

I so wish there was a strong alternative to Ebay so we could all end our business there, pack up and go to the next site.

That would fix them.

Unfortunately, one or two of us leaving does not affect them at all.

notwilight · November 10, 2007 4:01AM

<< I so wish there was a strong alternative to Ebay so we could all end our business there, pack up and go to the next site. That would fix them. Unfortunately, one or two of us leaving does not affect them at all. >>

Exactly and they know that.

jamakin · November 10, 2007 4:02AM

Honestly , the rules are very simple. No grade in title if not certified.
Bravo again ebay

SeatedLibertyKeys · November 10, 2007 4:03AM

I got a response.

Ebay does not allow you to use a picture that has a dollar value in it.

I list most of my coins with a picture of the coin in a 2x2, with a price on it.

Even though it was not the gallery picture, it isn't allowed.

DenverDave · November 10, 2007 4:04AM

notwilight · November 10, 2007 4:05AM

<< Honestly , the rules are very simple. No grade in title if not certified. Bravo again ebay >>

Let's try to keep the misinformation out of this thread as much as possible so don't reply if you don't know what you're talking about. And I know this is hard but while you're at it try not to be a jackass.

--jerry

Russ · November 10, 2007 4:05AM

<< Russ,
Isn't this the message they send? >>

That's the message sent to sellers. The message sent to buyers is different, and is used for multiple categories.

Russ, NCNE

DoubleEagle59 · November 10, 2007 4:05AM

Ebay does not allow you to use a picture that has a dollar value in it.

Unbelievable!!??

Will somebody please rationalize this for me.

OPA · November 10, 2007 4:10AM

<< I got a response.

Ebay does not allow you to use a picture that has a dollar value in it.

I list most of my coins with a picture of the coin in a 2x2, with a price on it.

Even though it was not the gallery picture, it isn't allowed. >>

That's good to know...I also feel you are "treading water" by mentioning PCGS or NGC in your description.

SeatedLibertyKeys · November 10, 2007 4:10AM

They were very straightforward.

They told me I cannot put in a picture that has a dollar value written on it.

There reason is because it influences the value of the item.

That is the true reason, and is exactly what they told me.

Good luck to my other auctions which all are now in violation.

droopyd · November 10, 2007 4:10AM

<< I got a response.

Ebay does not allow you to use a picture that has a dollar value in it.

I list most of my coins with a picture of the coin in a 2x2, with a price on it.

Even though it was not the gallery picture, it isn't allowed. >>

At least you were able to get a real reason, which makes some kind of sense, in a relatively short period of time.

Rather overzealous on their part, but I can understand why they want to keep the pricing aspect out of these listings after so many people were claiming their coins were worth a gajillion dollars.

Russ · November 10, 2007 4:11AM

<< Ebay does not allow you to use a picture that has a dollar value in it.

Unbelievable!!??

Will somebody please rationalize this for me. >>

Actually, it makes perfect sense within the parameters of the new policy. No dollar values are allowed in the description for raw coins. Plenty of sellers would try to circumvent this by putting a dollar value on the 2x2 in the image.

I do think, though, that in the case of good sellers like this, who simply made an understandable minor mistake, the T&S drones should be allowed some kind of discretion.

Russ, NCNE

SeatedLibertyKeys · November 10, 2007 4:12AM

I usually don't reference PCGS or NGC in my auctions. Maybe one or two out of a hundred.

OPA · November 10, 2007 4:13AM

I do think, though, that in the case of good sellers like this, who simply made an understandable minor mistake, the T&S drones should be allowed some kind of discretion.

Or allow the seller to remove the scans in question & keep the auction alive....

droopyd · November 10, 2007 4:14AM

<< I do think, though, that in the case of good sellers like this, who simply made an understandable minor mistake, the T&S drones should be allowed some kind of discretion. >>

What? You can't empower lowly customer service drones to actually make decisions ON THEIR OWN that don't follow the script to the letter! The result would be anarchy, anarchy I tells ya!!!

Russ · November 10, 2007 4:16AM

<< Good luck to my other auctions which all are now in violation. >>

Your 74-CC should be okay, since it just says "offer". Of course, some moron in T&S might decide that means you're trying to sell it outside eBay.

Russ, NCNE

DoubleEagle59 · November 10, 2007 4:19AM

Actually, it makes perfect sense within the parameters of the new policy. No dollar values are allowed in the description for raw coins. Plenty of sellers would try to circumvent this by putting a dollar value on the 2x2 in the image.

I don't quite agree with you.

There's prices on coins in retail stores, there's price estimates in auction catalogues, so I don't see the difference having a price on a 2x2.

It just seems that Ebay is nitpicking on these inconsequential rules when they should be going after larger things - like banning ALL sellers from China!!

SeatedLibertyKeys · November 10, 2007 4:25AM

I'm relisting now, with free shipping on all coins that were delisted.

ziggy29 · November 10, 2007 4:25AM

<< Stop giving mintage numbers in the title. Any numbers will piss them off. >>

The date is a number.

TWQG · November 10, 2007 4:46AM

<< Let's try to keep the misinformation out of this thread as much as possible so don't reply if you don't know what you're talking about. >>

-The irony of that comment is not lost on me.

Pentimento · November 10, 2007 4:52AM

<< 

<< Let's try to keep the misinformation out of this thread as much as possible so don't reply if you don't know what you're talking about. >>

-The irony of that comment is not lost on me.

>>

jwoodfield · November 10, 2007 5:11AM

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Frankcoins · November 10, 2007 5:12AM

I have just about given up on ebay. about $3000 of PCI, SEGS, NTC (all hand picked and the proper grade described) and raw coins listed before the OCT 1 enforcement date were killed, then listings for raw paper money and mint sets where they claimed listing the face value was a violation, then Confederate currency where they claimed the Criswell number was a grade, then EVERYTHING "just to be sure" since I was a repeat violator, then 17 nice CGA certfied pieces of currency. Ebay refunded me over $50 in listing fees, and gave up probably $ 400 in Final value and paypal fees.

Ebay sells ADVERTISING space, and the transaction is between the buyer and seller (remember ebay is only a "venue") If Coin World or the Facts/CCE had minimum wage drones cancelling listings for these same reasons, they would be toast...

I predicted this mess, but never thought it would get this bad. At the time, I was bashed on this forum for being a "crap slab seller" for opposing ebay's wonderful new policy.

The SELLERS should be certified, not the coins. Does my suggestion that ebay buyers have a checkmark option to show only listings from ANA/PNG members still sound as bad as did when I proposed it ?

DoubleEagle59 · November 10, 2007 5:16AM

Frankcoins....
While some of us may disagree with your choice of slabbing companies, I can't disagree with what you have just posted.
Well said.

WillieBoyd2 · November 10, 2007 5:17AM

I would try one or two re-listings and remove the mintage numbers.

The numbers might be flagging Ebay's computers as "MS" numbers.

jwoodfield · November 10, 2007 5:21AM

I know I'm fed up too.

I bought several PCI coins at auction, cheap. Listed on eBay and their little engine caught me for writing PCI in the title. Removed every stinking one of them.

A 1922 Plain cent etc. I had to list as being raw with no grade in the title or description, etc. It still brought $465. It would have brought the same, and the buyers would have been the same

THESE GUYS SUCK!!!!!

Frankcoins · November 10, 2007 5:23AM

<< Actually, it makes perfect sense within the parameters of the new policy. No dollar values are allowed in the description for raw coins. Plenty of sellers would try to circumvent this by putting a dollar value on the 2x2 in the image.

I don't quite agree with you.

There's prices on coins in retail stores, there's price estimates in auction catalogues, so I don't see the difference having a price on a 2x2.

It just seems that Ebay is nitpicking on these inconsequential rules when they should be going after larger things - like banning ALL sellers from China!! >>

Auctioneer rules (I am a real auctioneer, ebay is not) strongly encourage giving estimated prices to give bidders as much information as possible. This eliminates bidders from overpaying (think some of the minor 1972 doubled die cents) and also consignors from complaining that something sold for too little because it wasn't properly described. Any reasonable wholesale or retail estimate should be allowed and encouraged (not LQQK!! Rare 1943 lead peny $1,000,000)

Wonder why having a "buy it now" price is not banned, since that "conveys value"? Perhaps because ebay makes money off that feature?

JrGMan2004 · November 10, 2007 5:28AM

I like the intent of their new policys... but their implentation is questionable. It's not enough that the whole front of the slab is pictured... but you also have to have the full back of the slab... adds more pictures to the listing (And another 10c for eBay if you use their hosting), means longer load times for your customers (unless you sacrafice some quality), you have to put in the serial number for every auction (but no specification about what you do for BINs and dutch auctions where there's multiple items) plus what are sellers of things like MS69 Silver Eagles going to do? They are making a couple bucks a coin as it is... no way in hell they're gonna want to spend more time to do the extra work necessary to comply with eBay's rules...

57loaded · November 10, 2007 5:33AM

<< 74-cc half

1885 nickel >>

jus a cursory view.........both of these are raw coins with a suggested grade...i don't know why the others were pulled.

not that you are doing any misleading, but you can't list a grade in the title for an uncertified coin. VF although not technically numerical is a on a grading scale

Frankcoins · November 10, 2007 5:40AM

<< Frankcoins....
While some of us may disagree with your choice of slabbing companies, I can't disagree with what you have just posted.
Well said. >>

As I mentioned at the time, I am a PCGS and NGC dealer, and about 5% of my listings have been from PCI, SEGS and other companies, and if you mean my "choice of slabbing companies" only that I bought the coin already slabbed. I send coins in to PCGS, NGC, ANACS , have not used PCI in about 8 years, and NEVER to any other company.

Ebay delists 9 of my auctions, over $10,000 worth of coins in the last day of the auctions

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