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1943-D DDO Lincoln...

drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
...if someone can show me where? I can't find any doubling, if you can, please tell me.
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  • Probably need to have that one in hand with a loupe.......... der.
  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,099 ✭✭✭
    On the Obverse, which means Front.

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    -Paul
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  • mozeppamozeppa Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭
    check the eye.
  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I went to Chuck's site and can't find any match to known markers. Why would ANACS list w/o a designation?
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also look at the 19 in the date. This is a common PUP for a few of the 43D DDO's
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • Looks like I might see doubling at the top of the 4 and 9 in this pic........
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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are these DDO? imageimageimageimageimage


    Hoard the keys.
  • fcfc Posts: 12,804 ✭✭✭
    i do not really see the doubling and even if there is i would never
    pay DDO money for it.

    i want to see the doubling in hand without magnification to ever
    pay a serious premium for it.
  • loro1rojoloro1rojo Posts: 266 ✭✭✭
    The coin probably has a minor doublied die obv. on the eyelid.

    The reason why ANACS designated the coin as a DDO, but didn't provide any reference numbers is because who ever submitted the coin to ANACS did not designate which doubled die the coin was, and did not pay the fee ANACS would charge for them to find the reference number. ANACS simply stated that the coin was a DDO, which is true, but no reference numbers since they were not provided with any.
    -Gabe
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dam*... will I now have to open my two unopened rolls of these? Did not know about this one... Cheers, RickO
  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I still don't get it:
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  • Could be any one of 14 that CONECA recognizes. ANACS doesn't always specify depending on the type of submission AND whether or not they can even specifically classify it. Sometimes they assign a general "DDO" when they can't or even when it is a non-CONECA variety.

    In any case, it isn't a Cherrypicker so no huge premium.
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Could be any one of 14 that CONECA recognizes. ANACS doesn't always specify depending on the type of submission AND whether or not they can even specifically classify it. Sometimes they assign a general "DDO" when they can't or even when it is a non-CONECA variety.

    In any case, it isn't a Cherrypicker so no huge premium. >>



    Understand that this would be considered a very minor DDO variety anyway. There would be very little premium for this DDO over an equally graded 43D to most except for the ultra Lincoln variety collector who may be looking forward to completed a set of 43D varieties.

    For example, I believe that there are about 50...yes FIFTY DDO and DDR varieties of the 2004 Lincoln cent alone. Most of these are so minor that a variety guy like myself can't even bother looking for them, and when I come across one it goes into the penny jar anyway. We are talking varieties here that even when pointed out still can't always be seen with the coin in hand.
    Microscopic varieties just don't float too many boats in general.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,028 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I picked this up on eBay a while back. I bought it because I'd heard one had been discovered, and I wanted a reference piece. I'm having the same problem with it- I have been over this coin with all kinds of magnification and I can't see any doubling. I looked it up online, and there are a few for this date, several of which are minor, but more pronounced than this...I appreciate doubled dies, varieties, and variety collectors, but I have to ask myself: if this coin is a doubled die, and it's impossible to see, why bother? I know the answer- because people still want to collect it, but I just don't understand why...to each his own, I guess!

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    You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.
  • PriestPriest Posts: 270 ✭✭
    I don't mean to bash anyone, but there is a saying Buy the Book before you buy the coin, the question is what book? For all of us involved in the hobby/bussiness or pass- time, whatever I belive it a very good idea to arm ourselves with reference books. Take a look at books advertised in C.W or other publications and at coin dealers or the shows you go to . These are investments that may help you to make good investments, wise investements.
    D.A. Priest
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355
    Well duh. But the point is, most of the people responding to this thread have read the books, and attribute varieties quite accurately as a result. This particular coin shows little or no obverse doubling, and that's ANACS for you. They used to be good, and I realize this is an old slab, but they still winged it at times even in those days. It's fun to get one of these slabs without any more attribution than ddo or dds or rpm without stating which one and thentrying to attribute it, but this one is either a minor doubled eyelid or it was a blown call.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • I knew nothing about doubled dies until Ike research became a full time endeavor. Even now I am blissfully ignorant of may of the finer points, mostly because the challenge of simultaneous doubled hub mechanisms on the same die largely defeat even my somewhat scientific mind.

    But I have come to love the unexpected appearance in my coin 'scope of a doubled hub Ike, especially on proofs, although here the double striking required for Ike proofs throws a huge variable into the brew which is often complicated further by the common "Mechanical DD" torsion slippage of the image as the die under lateral or rotational tension withdraws from EITHER the first or second strike (I need some dramamine, STAT), so I just gaze in wonder for the most part.

    My first DDO was that coupled with the 1971-S Fading Peg Leg. It can be subtle even in a 'scope, yet is an important feature of that coin. On the other hand, the DDR that is paired with the '71-S Straight Peg Leg is a naked eye double if you're near-sighted, LOL, and under a scope, when you get the angle of that Ike just right, you can almost fall into the gaping declivities that garnish the ends of the feet of both LL's of DOLLAR. Rob
    Modern dollars are like children - before you know it they'll be all grown up.....

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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,028 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well duh. But the point is, most of the people responding to this thread have read the books, and attribute varieties quite accurately as a result. This particular coin shows little or no obverse doubling, and that's ANACS for you. They used to be good, and I realize this is an old slab, but they still winged it at times even in those days. It's fun to get one of these slabs without any more attribution than ddo or dds or rpm without stating which one and thentrying to attribute it, but this one is either a minor doubled eyelid or it was a blown call. >>



    I was at ANACS the other day and got to meet Mike Ellis, editor of the Cherrypicker's Guide. He works for them and does variety attribution...I'm curious if he was involved with them when the '43 Lincoln and my '05 Jefferson were attributed. Since this thread made me remember the nickel, I'll see if I can bring it to them for him to look at...if possible, I'll also see if they wouldn't mind looking at the pics in this thread...
    You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So are these DDO? imageimageimageimage


    Hoard the keys.
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355
    No.

    Mike Ellis is one of the foremost variety experts of all, humble and a hard worker. His tenures as CONECA president were the glory days. He is also primarily responsible for volume one of the 4th edition of the Cherrypickers' Guide getting done. If you don't remember, it was pretty slow getting done also, but nothing compared to the debacle that JT created with volume 2. Mike came aboard as editor of volume 1 and got it done. If he's with ANACS now, it should get a lot better. Glad to hear that.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,028 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Since ANACS is owned by Whitman, I wouldn't be surprised if they were using him to help with the rework of volume 1...
    You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.

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