How would you determine if a coin is stolen?

pnylvr · October 30, 2007 3:37AM

Where would I look to find out if particular coins could be stolen goods. I checked the FBI Stolen Art devision, but they state that you should check with local law enforcement so they can inquire from the FBI. Why not just post what has been stolen on the national website?

lathmach · October 30, 2007 3:40AM

Ummmmmm..............
How were they aquired that leads you to believe they may be stolen?
Pawn shop?

Ray

pnylvr · October 30, 2007 3:45AM

As an example, a coin is listed on Ebay as NGC-67 graded. They photos are quite nice, but the seller covers the slab with a 2x2 cardboard holder. Heritage shows the coins as being sold at Long Beach back in May, 2007. The photos are not identical, but all markings on the coins are. Why would the seller cover the slab, other than to hide the serial numbers?

CaptHenway · October 30, 2007 3:47AM

Give the number so we can look. Some people do legitimately hide serial numbers.
TD

pnylvr · October 30, 2007 4:00AM

Here is the link to the HA lot that was sold and the photo of the actual coin.

Linky to HA

richardshipp · October 30, 2007 4:11AM

It does appear to be the same coin, but I still don't understand the question.

Why do you ask... "Are my coins stolen?" Did you buy them? Sell them? Waiting for them? What's the deal? Sorry if I'm dense.

Coxe · October 30, 2007 4:15AM

There is very little doubt that is the same coin. I would alert eBay and be persistent. Maybe you can win it with a strong bid, pay with a credit card on paypal, and have the charges reversed when you can demonstrate that the slab is the slab stolen from you. Did you file a police report?

phillymatt · October 30, 2007 4:18AM

<< Why do you ask... "Are my coins stolen?" Did you buy them? Sell them? Waiting for them? What's the deal? Sorry if I'm dense. >>

Thanks, I wanted to ask the same question. Sounds like we maybe missed this in another thread?

pnylvr · October 30, 2007 4:23AM

I haven't purchased anything yet. I am really trying to find out if there is a way to protect oneself against purchasing stolen goodbeing able to determine if they are stolen before purchase. Also gives us an opportunity to catch a thief!

phillymatt · October 30, 2007 4:24AM

Ok....understood.

Good for everyone, hope you catch him!

TwoSides2aCoin · October 30, 2007 5:02AM

Definitely one of the toughest coin questions I've seen posted on the boards.

ScarsdaleCoin · October 30, 2007 5:05AM

PNG has a website listing stolen items .... but guess it is not hard to crack most coins out of the holder..... that is why common stuff gets stolen I guess.... its the odd ball and rarer items that can be picked up like the above coin in the threads

PerryHall · October 30, 2007 5:24AM

Buy from an established dealer and get a receipt. Then you're covered.

PerryHall · October 30, 2007 5:26AM

<< .... that is why common stuff gets stolen I guess.... >>

Do you really think thieves are that selective?

pnylvr · October 30, 2007 6:26AM

Why would png not make the stolen coins section of their website available to the general public?

mike92694 · October 30, 2007 6:31AM

<< I haven't purchased anything yet. I am really trying to find out if there is a way to protect oneself against purchasing stolen goodbeing able to determine if they are stolen before purchase. Also gives us an opportunity to catch a thief! >>

Oh boy.

You seem to be implying in this thread that if you found it on both Heritage and eBay that someone stole it.

I'm in big trouble then. Half of the coins I purchased were eventually "found" on Heritage, and these coins were purchased by dealers who frequent this forum.

kevinstang · October 30, 2007 6:31AM

<< a coin is listed on Ebay as NGC-67 graded. They photos are quite nice, but the seller covers the slab with a 2x2 cardboard holder >>

I thought ebay's new slab policy was that the serial number and slab had to be shown/given in the auction?

pnylvr · October 30, 2007 7:34AM

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<< I haven't purchased anything yet. I am really trying to find out if there is a way to protect oneself against purchasing stolen goodbeing able to determine if they are stolen before purchase. Also gives us an opportunity to catch a thief! >>

Oh boy.

You seem to be implying in this thread that if you found it on both Heritage and eBay that someone stole it.

I'm in big trouble then. Half of the coins I purchased were eventually "found" on Heritage, and these coins were purchased by dealers who frequent this forum. >>

Mike, I am not implying that this is a stolen coin. I am saying that the reverse has happened. Bought off heritage at the Long Beach show and resold on the Bay? Who would do that?

GoldenEyeNumismatics · October 30, 2007 7:41AM

<< Why would png not make the stolen coins section of their website available to the general public? >>

that's what I was thinking

BXBOY143 · October 30, 2007 7:48AM

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Mike, I am not implying that this is a stolen coin. I am saying that the reverse has happened. Bought off heritage at the Long Beach show and resold on the Bay? Who would do that? >>

UMM I AM NEW BUT WOULD GUESS ALOT OF PEOPLE WOULD DO THAT...

mike92694 · October 30, 2007 8:15AM

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<< I haven't purchased anything yet. I am really trying to find out if there is a way to protect oneself against purchasing stolen goodbeing able to determine if they are stolen before purchase. Also gives us an opportunity to catch a thief! >>

Oh boy.

You seem to be implying in this thread that if you found it on both Heritage and eBay that someone stole it.

I'm in big trouble then. Half of the coins I purchased were eventually "found" on Heritage, and these coins were purchased by dealers who frequent this forum. >>

Mike, I am not implying that this is a stolen coin. I am saying that the reverse has happened. Bought off heritage at the Long Beach show and resold on the Bay? Who would do that? >>

Nothing wrong with that, is there?

pontiacinf · October 30, 2007 8:41AM

<< As an example, a coin is listed on Ebay as NGC-67 graded. They photos are quite nice, but the seller covers the slab with a 2x2 cardboard holder. Heritage shows the coins as being sold at Long Beach back in May, 2007. The photos are not identical, but all markings on the coins are. Why would the seller cover the slab, other than to hide the serial numbers? >>

serial #'s are often hid in auction photos so people do not rip of the serials for their own reg sets.

How would you determine if a coin is stolen?

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