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How would you determine if a coin is stolen?

pnylvrpnylvr Posts: 568
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Where would I look to find out if particular coins could be stolen goods. I checked the FBI Stolen Art devision, but they state that you should check with local law enforcement so they can inquire from the FBI. Why not just post what has been stolen on the national website?
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    lathmachlathmach Posts: 4,720 ✭
    Ummmmmm..............
    How were they aquired that leads you to believe they may be stolen?
    Pawn shop?

    Ray
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    pnylvrpnylvr Posts: 568
    As an example, a coin is listed on Ebay as NGC-67 graded. They photos are quite nice, but the seller covers the slab with a 2x2 cardboard holder. Heritage shows the coins as being sold at Long Beach back in May, 2007. The photos are not identical, but all markings on the coins are. Why would the seller cover the slab, other than to hide the serial numbers?
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,014 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Give the number so we can look. Some people do legitimately hide serial numbers.
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    pnylvrpnylvr Posts: 568
    Here is the link to the HA lot that was sold and the photo of the actual coin.

    Linky to HA
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    richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    It does appear to be the same coin, but I still don't understand the question.

    Why do you ask... "Are my coins stolen?" Did you buy them? Sell them? Waiting for them? What's the deal? Sorry if I'm dense.
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    CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139 ✭
    There is very little doubt that is the same coin. I would alert eBay and be persistent. Maybe you can win it with a strong bid, pay with a credit card on paypal, and have the charges reversed when you can demonstrate that the slab is the slab stolen from you. Did you file a police report?
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    phillymattphillymatt Posts: 170


    << <i>Why do you ask... "Are my coins stolen?" Did you buy them? Sell them? Waiting for them? What's the deal? Sorry if I'm dense. >>



    Thanks, I wanted to ask the same question. Sounds like we maybe missed this in another thread?
    Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. - General George S. Patton
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    pnylvrpnylvr Posts: 568
    I haven't purchased anything yet. I am really trying to find out if there is a way to protect oneself against purchasing stolen goodbeing able to determine if they are stolen before purchase. Also gives us an opportunity to catch a thief!
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    phillymattphillymatt Posts: 170
    Ok....understood.

    Good for everyone, hope you catch him!image
    Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. - General George S. Patton
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,092 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image
    Definitely one of the toughest coin questions I've seen posted on the boards.

    https://acoinshop.com/ —-> https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5

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    ScarsdaleCoinScarsdaleCoin Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PNG has a website listing stolen items .... but guess it is not hard to crack most coins out of the holder..... that is why common stuff gets stolen I guess.... its the odd ball and rarer items that can be picked up like the above coin in the threads
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Buy from an established dealer and get a receipt. Then you're covered.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,588 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>.... that is why common stuff gets stolen I guess.... >>



    Do you really think thieves are that selective? image

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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    pnylvrpnylvr Posts: 568
    Why would png not make the stolen coins section of their website available to the general public?
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    mike92694mike92694 Posts: 1,068


    << <i>I haven't purchased anything yet. I am really trying to find out if there is a way to protect oneself against purchasing stolen goodbeing able to determine if they are stolen before purchase. Also gives us an opportunity to catch a thief! >>



    Oh boy.

    You seem to be implying in this thread that if you found it on both Heritage and eBay that someone stole it.

    I'm in big trouble then. Half of the coins I purchased were eventually "found" on Heritage, and these coins were purchased by dealers who frequent this forum.

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    kevinstangkevinstang Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭


    << <i>a coin is listed on Ebay as NGC-67 graded. They photos are quite nice, but the seller covers the slab with a 2x2 cardboard holder >>



    I thought ebay's new slab policy was that the serial number and slab had to be shown/given in the auction?
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    pnylvrpnylvr Posts: 568


    << <i>

    << <i>I haven't purchased anything yet. I am really trying to find out if there is a way to protect oneself against purchasing stolen goodbeing able to determine if they are stolen before purchase. Also gives us an opportunity to catch a thief! >>



    Oh boy.

    You seem to be implying in this thread that if you found it on both Heritage and eBay that someone stole it.

    I'm in big trouble then. Half of the coins I purchased were eventually "found" on Heritage, and these coins were purchased by dealers who frequent this forum. >>



    Mike, I am not implying that this is a stolen coin. I am saying that the reverse has happened. Bought off heritage at the Long Beach show and resold on the Bay? Who would do that?
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    GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Why would png not make the stolen coins section of their website available to the general public? >>



    that's what I was thinking
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    BXBOY143BXBOY143 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭


    >>

    Mike, I am not implying that this is a stolen coin. I am saying that the reverse has happened. Bought off heritage at the Long Beach show and resold on the Bay? Who would do that? >>




    UMM I AM NEW BUT WOULD GUESS ALOT OF PEOPLE WOULD DO THAT...
    https://m.ebay.com.my/myebay?mfs=tabs&actionName=SELL_OVERVIEW
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    mike92694mike92694 Posts: 1,068


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>I haven't purchased anything yet. I am really trying to find out if there is a way to protect oneself against purchasing stolen goodbeing able to determine if they are stolen before purchase. Also gives us an opportunity to catch a thief! >>



    Oh boy.

    You seem to be implying in this thread that if you found it on both Heritage and eBay that someone stole it.

    I'm in big trouble then. Half of the coins I purchased were eventually "found" on Heritage, and these coins were purchased by dealers who frequent this forum. >>



    Mike, I am not implying that this is a stolen coin. I am saying that the reverse has happened. Bought off heritage at the Long Beach show and resold on the Bay? Who would do that? >>



    Nothing wrong with that, is there?

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    pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭


    << <i>As an example, a coin is listed on Ebay as NGC-67 graded. They photos are quite nice, but the seller covers the slab with a 2x2 cardboard holder. Heritage shows the coins as being sold at Long Beach back in May, 2007. The photos are not identical, but all markings on the coins are. Why would the seller cover the slab, other than to hide the serial numbers? >>



    serial #'s are often hid in auction photos so people do not rip of the serials for their own reg sets.
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