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are my eye's that bad....do these look like BB's "cleaned"

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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think I can see it on the obverse of the second one (in front of Liberty's nose/forehead), but not on the second one. image
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  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They look good to me. Obviously I don't know what I'm doing.....
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  • SUMORADASUMORADA Posts: 4,797 ✭
    Well at least I'm in good company!
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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can see a few scattered hairlines, but certainly not the type that indicate a cleaning. They appear to me as run of the mill common date MS-63 Peace dollars.

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  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    the look a bit banged up, but not cleaned.
  • RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They look o.k. to me (again, from the pictures) and while they are a bit baggy, they are nice clean strikes.
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  • SUMORADASUMORADA Posts: 4,797 ✭
    Thats what gets me, I sent these just to fill in a submission, unbelievable image
    here's another one..........all 3 in the same submission!

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  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    I like em, please enter me in your generous giveawayimage
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  • carlcarl Posts: 2,054 ✭
    Maybe it's not the coins but the slabs that are cleaned.
    Carl
  • AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭
    only one that looks questionable to me is the 23-S, in the "E Plur' region
  • AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭
    And I forgot to mention, I am in on the giveaway as well!
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think I can also see horizontal wipe/clean lines on the neck of the 1925-P.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with Dennis.... the 1925P has 'wipe' lines on the neck.. the others have dings, but do not appear cleaned... at least from the pictures. Cheers, RickO
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From the pictures, I don't see the cleaning on the first coin unless they see something in the area from 9 o'clock to about 11 o'clock where the 'toning' appears off.
    The 2nd and 3rd, I do believe I may see where they see cleaning...
    On #2, the cheek area...could just be normal scrapes or could be more.......angle, lighting, and a better picture would be needed (or seeing in hand).
    For #3, at a minimum, appears wiped, particularly around the base of the neck.

    Angle and lighting can really show cleaning though.

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  • MisterBungleMisterBungle Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭

    Wrong flavor Kool-Aid!!

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  • JustaRookieJustaRookie Posts: 566 ✭
    I have seen slabbed coins that have a definite obvious dipped or cleaned look. I guess the graders were having a bad day when your coins passed by them.

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok, now just send them to PCGS and get them encapsulated! Lol, I don't think that would happen. I see the
    hairlines on the 25 that run east/west across neck; the 1st '23 appears to have lost a lot of luster and maybe it
    has been dipped?; The middle coin looks good to me.
    Hmmmmm,
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  • ShortgapbobShortgapbob Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭
    I think they are nice coins. I can see the lines on the 25.....I was thinking that maybe they were slide marks. They look like they should have been holdered to me.
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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    Close call, now that someone says they were cleaned I look and look and somehow believe they were cleaned. Even in the photos there seem to be faint traces of hair lines moving in the same direction. The first one I can't really see much but the obverse device looks a bit off maybe polished at some point?.
  • clackamasclackamas Posts: 5,615 ✭
    I can see a wipe on the third coin. Could be counter marks but could be a wipe.
  • DenverDaveDenverDave Posts: 2,164


    Who cares, that 25 is Hot cleaned or not...

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  • JustaRookieJustaRookie Posts: 566 ✭
    You should have posted these soliciting an opinion on grade alone as I would have been very interested to see how many would have come to the same conclusion considering you stated they were BBed by PCGS to begin with. I would bet that you would have received a totally different opinion overall but then again it is next to impossible to grade a coin by pictures alone.
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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Thats what gets me, I sent these just to fill in a submission, unbelievable image
    here's another one..........all 3 in the same submission!

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    image >>



    I'm not surprised that one got BB's, certainly looks heavily hairlined on Liberty's neck
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    ok, i feel stupid for asking this, but no obverse shows any mint mark.
    yet each BB label says it should be an S.

    i know the mint mark location but i must be going blind.

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    i guess i need to be hit by a clue stick. thanks!

    edited to add: i have been smacked. see post below. i need
    to eat my spinach more often :-)
  • MisterBungleMisterBungle Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭
    The "S$1" just stands for "Silver Dollar", as if
    a Peace Dollar is apt to be made of something
    else.

    The "S" Just stands for "Silver".

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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    oooooooooh lol. i am now confirmed as feeling stupid!
    let me edit my top post.

    shows how often i study the label layout/design.
  • DJCoinzDJCoinz Posts: 3,856 ✭
    Wow, tough luck. image I bet that if you submitted them again at least the first and last one's would grade.
    aka Dan
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is a EZ fix Just cleane the right way and send them in. image


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  • JustaRookieJustaRookie Posts: 566 ✭


    << <i>This is a EZ fix Just cleane the right way and send them in. image >>



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  • ozzyfan269ozzyfan269 Posts: 1,002
    Whiz them and be done with it! image
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    why in the HE11 are you slabing bullion silver rounds???

    SAVE YOUR $$$ for coins!

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those BB coins have plenty of hairlines. They just don't show up well in the pics. If you rotate those coins under a bright light, the hairlines will be quite obvious. Good example of why it's dangerous to grade coins from pics.

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  • RBinTexRBinTex Posts: 4,328 ✭
    I can't tell you how often NGC will say cleaned and then PCGS will slab it (or vice versa) but I've had that experience several times.
  • DeadhorseDeadhorse Posts: 3,720 ✭
    Hard to tell from the pics, but yes, I can see that they look cleaned.

    Like Perry said, if you were to rotate them in hand, I'll bet the hairlines would jump out at you.

    I've always thought that label "Improperly Cleaned" was kind of funny.

    To me it implies there must be a "proper" cleaning method out there somewhere. image
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    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,607 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pass them around the neighborhood for a week and then send them to PCGS where they'll come back AU58 image

    It's better they are improperly cleaned than improperly spent image

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