1847 the year of my latest dirty gold coin
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The following is an 1847/7 re-punched final digit Liberty Half Eagle. The top of the back 7 is seen below the top 7. (Grade it if you like)
I could not find any history of the coin itself so following the Teletrade photo I am placing the only coin related data I could find.
Kinda coin related since they were eventually made here. On January 3rd 1847 the California town of yerba Buena was renamed San Francisco.
Salt lake city in Utah was just getting started and here is a quote from a history website about the development of the west. Who knows, maybe Brigham Young actually brought this very coin back to Salt lake city.
"The journey to the Valley of the Great Salt Lake was one of hardship and privation. Most of the meager savings any of the Mormons had were soon spent for much needed supplies. It is estimated that among the entire company of Mormons who entered the Great Salt Lake Valley on July 24, 1847, there was less than $1 per person among them, and Brigham had $50. This was the entire money supply of the Mormon Church in Utah. All of this cash was desperately needed for trading purposes outside the valley, and the pioneer settlers soon found themselves isolated without adequate means with which to carry on local exchange. The ancient system of barter was reverted to and business was carried on without money. Brigham Young while on a trip east obtained a small supply of United States coins to the Missouri River in 1847. Upon his return, in 1848, he placed about eighty-five dollars in circulation. Releasing these coins has been described as being like"...spilling a cup of precious water upon the desert sands." The relief was only temporary; the small change soon disappeared."
If you made it this far please add any coin related history including coin photo's you know of for the year 1847 to keep this thread alive.
edited Nov 11:
OK, I finally took my own photos of this coin. Feel free to make any additional comments or comparisons between Teletrade's photos.
I could not find any history of the coin itself so following the Teletrade photo I am placing the only coin related data I could find.
Kinda coin related since they were eventually made here. On January 3rd 1847 the California town of yerba Buena was renamed San Francisco.
Salt lake city in Utah was just getting started and here is a quote from a history website about the development of the west. Who knows, maybe Brigham Young actually brought this very coin back to Salt lake city.
"The journey to the Valley of the Great Salt Lake was one of hardship and privation. Most of the meager savings any of the Mormons had were soon spent for much needed supplies. It is estimated that among the entire company of Mormons who entered the Great Salt Lake Valley on July 24, 1847, there was less than $1 per person among them, and Brigham had $50. This was the entire money supply of the Mormon Church in Utah. All of this cash was desperately needed for trading purposes outside the valley, and the pioneer settlers soon found themselves isolated without adequate means with which to carry on local exchange. The ancient system of barter was reverted to and business was carried on without money. Brigham Young while on a trip east obtained a small supply of United States coins to the Missouri River in 1847. Upon his return, in 1848, he placed about eighty-five dollars in circulation. Releasing these coins has been described as being like"...spilling a cup of precious water upon the desert sands." The relief was only temporary; the small change soon disappeared."
If you made it this far please add any coin related history including coin photo's you know of for the year 1847 to keep this thread alive.
edited Nov 11:
OK, I finally took my own photos of this coin. Feel free to make any additional comments or comparisons between Teletrade's photos.
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I also wanted to add that I prefer these early Liberty Half Eagles because there is no Motto on these.
<< <i>The following is an 1847/7 Misplaced Date Liberty Half Eagle >>
Which one is it? There is an 7/7 variety (double punched date) and there is a misplaced date variety (top of extra 7 in the denticles).
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<< <i>The following is an 1847/7 Misplaced Date Liberty Half Eagle >>
Which one is it? There is an 7/7 variety (double punched date) and there is a misplaced date variety (top of extra 7 in the denticles). >>
Sorry, looks like it is re-punched final digit. The top of the back 7 is seen below the top 7. Like I said I could not find much on this particular coin.
NGC notes this on the slab as VP-001.
<< <i>Common date, but uncommonly dirty.
Yeah, common is unfortunately about all I can afford.
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
looking one i have seen in that grade range.
I still need one for my collection but i have held off knowing i
will have my choice when the time comes.
thanks for sharing and it has a TON of eye appeal. to me at least.
thanks perryhall for helping determine which variety it was.
I think i can almost see the extra top part of the 7 in the date.
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<< <i>Common date, but uncommonly dirty.
Yeah, common is unfortunately about all I can afford.
This coin is anything but common. I checked the NGC pops for the 1847/7---130 were slabbed in ALL grades. Compared to the 1881-S Morgan with a NGC pop greater than 100,000 coins, this is a fairly rare coin.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>Common date, but uncommonly dirty.
Yeah, common is unfortunately about all I can afford.
This coin is anything but common. I checked the NGC pops for the 1847/7---130 were slabbed in ALL grades. Compared to the 1881-S Morgan with a NGC pop greater than 100,000 coins, this is a fairly rare coin. >>
I had a hard time finding it but I found the PCGS pop for this and it totals 11 coins. The total PCGS 1847 population is 417.
when did they start recognizing it as such?
i bet it was only 10 years ago or something, thus many 1847P half
eagles with a repunched seven are sitting in normal slabs.
I see it all the time for P half eagles because it does not make sense
money wise to get it regraded.
small date coins in large date holders for example. dealers pimp the
pops knowing the truth. they do not care. they just want the money.
same old story in this hobby.
nice coin. real nice.
<< <i>How does this one look in hand? It looks like it is free of a wipe or old cleaning. SWAG 58? >>
Close, kinda; NGC53. I think it will go 55 at PCGS.
I like it as a 53 a lot!
I feel a 55 should have luster going around the whole coin
near the denticles.
Finally updating with my own photos:
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<< <i>Are those the same coin? Looks like the new photos make the coin three years older and have an added O-mintmark
Hit refresh/reload, I had trouble with my photo hosing. You are seeing the old image.