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Western Assayer Bars - Ford Collection

The Stack's catalog for the Ford collection of Western assayer bars is now out. Anyone have an opinion on the authenticity of some of these?

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    CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭✭
    I suggest posters tread lightly here. There is always the possibility of being sued.

    For one man who isn't afraid to voice his opinion on this subject, check out this link:

    How the West Was Faked -- John Kleeberg
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    Haven't received it yet, but I'm looking forward to.

    SHould be awesome! A lot of fakes, probably though
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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dennis Powers had an interesting account of the Buttrey/Hodder "great debate" in his recent book, "Treasure Ship: The Legend And Legacy of the S.S. Brother Jonathan". There is much passion on both sides of this topic.
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    kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,635 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fake fake fake fake fake!
    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,211 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stack's is a very responsible firm. I am sure that the great majority, if not all, of the pieces that made it to the sale are genuine.
    MOO
    TD
    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    I agree with the good CH.

    After all that has been written in the past two decades, I am virtually certain that Stack's under the diligent guidance of Harvey Stack, QDB, and Larry Stack, and the research and further study by both Mike Hodder and the newly retired JK, will only allow items that are 100% guaranteed in this sale.
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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am virtually certain that Stack's under the diligent guidance of Harvey Stack, QDB, and Larry Stack, and the research and further study by both Mike Hodder and the newly retired JK, will only allow items that are 100% guaranteed in this sale.

    Aren't all items sold at auction guaranteed anyway?
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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 8,032 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not here to throw mud, but don't always believe what you hear - Stack's is not without their foibles and will leave it at that; they are not the gospel and JJF had some very odd things that he was involved in.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,211 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let he who is without foibles, cast the first foib...........
    TD
    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 8,032 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Uhhhh, what? We are talking about some ???numismatic related items with dubious origins. In fact many of us are not dealers or big time so when things may be questionable, we can discuss the issues, and since I have not "created" any such things then I guess that I can comment as can others. If Henway chooses to believe all that Stack's says or does, more power to him.
    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
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    DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Let he who is without foibles, cast the first foib...........
    TD >>



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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,211 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Uhhhh, what? We are talking about some ???numismatic related items with dubious origins. In fact many of us are not dealers or big time so when things may be questionable, we can discuss the issues, and since I have not "created" any such things then I guess that I can comment as can others. If Henway chooses to believe all that Stack's says or does, more power to him. >>



    I never said that I accept everything that Stack's says or does. I don't believe that I could say that about anybody.

    However, I must ask, is there any specific item in the catalogue that you care to question the authenticity of? If so, please identify the lot number.

    As an active participant in the Ford vs. The World debates for over 25 years, I must commend the judicious editing that the collection has undergone prior to being catalogued. It would be a gross injustice to condemn the items that are in the catalogue on the basis of items that are not in the catalogue.

    TD
    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    PreTurbPreTurb Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭
    I just got the catalog and haven't had a chance to look through it in detail, but the one interesting thing I saw is that this (#21) is the last in the Ford series. My bookshelf is relieved... What a collection!
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    MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,618 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>... What a collection! >>


    Indeed. And I think I read somewhere that there are no "regular" US Federal series coins in the entire collection. If that's true, it makes the Ford collection even more amazing.
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    Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Uhhhh, what? We are talking about some ???numismatic related items with dubious origins. In fact many of us are not dealers or big time so when things may be questionable, we can discuss the issues, and since I have not "created" any such things then I guess that I can comment as can others. If Henway chooses to believe all that Stack's says or does, more power to him. >>



    I never said that I accept everything that Stack's says or does. I don't believe that I could say that about anybody.

    However, I must ask, is there any specific item in the catalogue that you care to question the authenticity of? If so, please identify the lot number.

    As an active participant in the Ford vs. The World debates for over 25 years, I must commend the judicious editing that the collection has undergone prior to being catalogued. It would be a gross injustice to condemn the items that are in the catalogue on the basis of items that are not in the catalogue.

    TD >>



    It's not an ingot, but Stack's is right in their skepticism on lot 3083. "ACS" stands for the American Chemical Society in this case. I don't know anything more about the item though.

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    Ed. S.

    (EJS)

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