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"Non Full horn" Mint State Buffalo nickels

In the Lange and Bowers books, they make reference to the grading changes with regard to the amount of horn that is visible. I am not old enough to remember a time when the coin was required to have a full horn to even be considered Fine, but both authors point out that some MS dates that are notorious for poor strikes do not have a full horn even in MS!....so...if you have any, please post pics of MS Buffalos that do NOT have a full horn! Unfortunately, I don't have any to show. Thanks!

Shawn

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  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
  • Your picture didn't show for me but years ago I was offered a fully luusterous 1926-D buffalo MS 62 with no horn. I didn't buy it because he wanted MS 62 money for it. With patience I found one fully struck.
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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭

    For the experts out there: When a Buff's horn in MS is not fully struck, what is the maximum grade it can receive. Is MS62/63 about it?

    What about the hair detail on the OBV of certain issues? I've seen some MS65 Buffs that the Indian's hair and cheek detail is non-exsitant


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  • Grading considerations are given to some notorious dates/mints; however, I would expect substantial hair, horn and other details to appear on MS 65 buffalos. MS 62 is often given to weaker struck buffalos with good luster and minimal marks. Oftentimes, weaker struck buffalos with poor luster and marks or spots end up being graded AU.

    This has been my experience.

    Garrow
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>For the experts out there: When a buff's horn in MS is not fully struck, what is the maximum grade it can receive. Is MS62/63 about it?

    What about the hair detail on the OBV of certain issues? I've seen some MS65 buffs that the Indian's hair and cheek detail is non-exsitant >>


    Without a full horn, Buffalo's shouldn't grade higher than MS62, but I see TPG's grade these MS63 all the time.

    Hair detail is far less important than it probably should be in high grades. If you do auction archive searches for 1930-S and 1936-D Buffalo nickels, even the MS66's will be missing much detail.

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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    Below is a 1926-D reverse graded PCGS MS63. Take a look at the horn if you can find it.



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  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    there's lots of unc buffalos that lack a full horn, & they routinely get slabed ms-63, 65, even much higher, but they should only grade ms-60.

    K S
  • Shamika,

    Did you mean to say 1926-D and NOT 1936-D in your post. You are very knowledgeable about buffalos, but 1936-Ds usually come well-struck IMHO. Now 19-Ss, 25-Ss, and 26-Ds are another story.

    Garrow
  • Forget the horns. It is the hip-bone that counts.
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Shamika,

    Did you mean to say 1926-D and NOT 1936-D in your post. You are very knowledgeable about buffalos, but 1936-Ds usually come well-struck IMHO. Now 19-Ss, 25-Ss, and 26-Ds are another story. >>


    Garrow - Yes, I did mean to say 1936-D. My comment was that in MS66 this date is often missing quite a bit of hair detail. The Buffalo is rarely fully struck even in this lofty grade.
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