A curious mind wants to know.... O/P states; Rev. little or NO milling, die crack. It's obvious that yours is a LDS. But yours has 75% trace edge segments and over 50% milling. What's going through the "C" in Cents? Herrman's shows CC as 64, 62, 58 etc, so they do come half way decent in strike. You may be one of the fortunate ones with this one! So possibly die clash, does that crack run right, under the base of the curls to Star 13? Then downward with the drawing of the lower point? Does it correspond to the crack (at the date) on the reverse? Just a couple of thoughts... Mike
(1) What you see at the C of 50 C. (and to the lower right of the C in a horizontal line) are very faint circulation scratches. They cannot be seen with the naked eye. The scanner picks them up wonderfully (maybe "bummer" is a better description than "wonderfully). To see them with the naked eye, you need a 15x and bright sunlight. These are so faint that I do not believe it would prevent the slabbing of the coin.
(2) What you see under the curls towards star 13 is a clash mark. Speaking of clash marks: It is a shame I can NOT get them to show in the scan, but the shield is clashed below the ear and the curls immediately behind the ear are clashed into the bottom of the shield between stripes 3 and 4.
(3) You mentioned the Condition Census (CC). i.e., the top 5 grades known.
You quoted Herrman: "Herrman's shows CC as 64, 62, 58 etc, so they do come half way decent in strike." These are not the CC numbers in my books. Do we go to the same library?
The 4th Edition of the O/P book shows: 60, 60, 55, 55, 55. ...but these are 17 year old numbers. Looking at the auction records in Herrman, I see: 64, 63, 63, 63, 62 ...but I (we) do not know if the 63's are the same coin just being sold more than once.
I would (like everybody would) be curious as to what my coin would grade for. I will know for sure when I get around to submitting it to PCGS. (You know how long I will procrastinate before I do this.)
I bought my coin as a raw AU-55 from a dealer we both know. (ME out of Spokane) He tends to grade somewhere between conservative and "dead on" with no rhyme or reason. I just know that I really like his coins. In fact, 48 of the Busties that I still have in my collection came from him.
(4) The crack at the date on the obverse corresponds to a point around the F in OF.
Thank you for responding.
You know as much as I do how long it sometimes takes to get something ready to post on the Forum.
When you (rhetorically speaking) get a response it confirms that your efforts have been acknowledged.
This one looks like a terminal die state ! What I can see in your scan (and not in hand). But the die crack through the outside of "0" (zero), Runs up through the clasp, lower curl to the lower throat and connects with the crack from Star 1 through the field. The one from the lower bust looks to be multi-leveled as the die broke. So with that, you tell me !
I would grade this one 53/55. Herrman's is auction appearences, so possibly a newer edition, you. But it's not to say the same coin didn't repeat.
Another 1810 note, Half of the Au's are confined to the marriages of O-101, 102 & 103. That leaves the remaining seven scarcer than the rarity tables say they are in that grade!... Thanks Ed!
...thank you for your comments. The "nicest" is in the eye of the beholder.
Probably my favorite I have already shown here on this thread. ...and it is not even my highest graded 1810.
It is the off-center O-104a Late Die State with the 2nd obverse die crack that is not mentioned in the O/P book. This 2nd die crack is marked with the green arrows on the scan.
Here it is again:
The coin in my O-107 slot has a wonderfully well-struck left wing. Sadly (for me) I discovered recently that this "O-107" is really another O-107a. Which means the coin in my O-107a slot in the album is a dupe and it will have to go if and when I find a REAL O-107.
Here is the coin in my "O-107" slot. Check out the beautiful reverse strike. Note what appears to be a scratch thru the scroll - this is one of the diagnostic die cracks of the O-107a.
Ed I was just going to rephrase that, and you beat me to it! Yep O-107 NO CRACKS, why do they seem to be sooo easy to find? It's a common R-3, and we have been over this before. And I agree with you there, in my mind it would be a terminal state.
...this is off the thread subject, so I will make it quick.
What's new on the Coast?
Same old story in the southern part of the San Francisco Bay Area: Boring weather. Temps in the high 70's or low 80's. 10% percent humidity. No rain. A few fires. No bugs. No mosquites. No recent earthquakes to add drama and meaning to life. ...still wearing summer clothes even though it's past Labor Day.
The usual for September in the Land of Fruits and Nuts.
Obverse: Star 1 points to lower half of dentil. Star 7 points to upper half of dentil, and to lower half of curl. Forecurl stands clear of headband. Mouth is open and broad.
Reverse: A long die line extends upwards diagonally from the right corner of the shield into the wing. In the two lower left leaf pairs, the inner leaf of each is only a tiny line. I is centered under left side of T.
I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
Lance, it looks like marks are minimal on that one... nice luster. I don't mind dipped so much if a coin has not been banged up too excessively with hairlines and other dings.
Comments
My 1810 O-104a has TWO obverse die cracks.
On the photo of the coin I have marked the die crack described in the O/P book diagnostics with RED ARROWS.
The second die crack I have marked with GREEN ARROWS. I cannot find any reference to this die crack in any of the books.
Can anyone share any information on this?
Photos of my 1810 O-104a, R3:
A curious mind wants to know....
O/P states; Rev. little or NO milling, die crack.
It's obvious that yours is a LDS.
But yours has 75% trace edge segments and over 50% milling.
What's going through the "C" in Cents?
Herrman's shows CC as 64, 62, 58 etc, so they do come half way decent in strike.
You may be one of the fortunate ones with this one!
So possibly die clash, does that crack run right, under the base of the curls to Star 13?
Then downward with the drawing of the lower point?
Does it correspond to the crack (at the date) on the reverse?
Just a couple of thoughts...
Mike
To address your comments on my 1810 O-104a above:
(1) What you see at the C of 50 C. (and to the lower right of the C in a horizontal line) are very faint circulation scratches. They cannot be seen with the naked eye. The scanner picks them up wonderfully (maybe "bummer" is a better description than "wonderfully). To see them with the naked eye, you need a 15x and bright sunlight. These are so faint that I do not believe it would prevent the slabbing of the coin.
(2) What you see under the curls towards star 13 is a clash mark. Speaking of clash marks: It is a shame I can NOT get them to show in the scan, but the shield is clashed below the ear and the curls immediately behind the ear are clashed into the bottom of the shield between stripes 3 and 4.
(3) You mentioned the Condition Census (CC). i.e., the top 5 grades known.
You quoted Herrman: "Herrman's shows CC as 64, 62, 58 etc, so they do come half way decent in strike." These are not the CC numbers in my books. Do we go to the same library?
The 4th Edition of the O/P book shows: 60, 60, 55, 55, 55. ...but these are 17 year old numbers.
Looking at the auction records in Herrman, I see: 64, 63, 63, 63, 62 ...but I (we) do not know if the 63's are the same coin just being sold more than once.
I would (like everybody would) be curious as to what my coin would grade for. I will know for sure when I get around to submitting it to PCGS. (You know how long I will procrastinate before I do this.)
I bought my coin as a raw AU-55 from a dealer we both know. (ME out of Spokane) He tends to grade somewhere between conservative and "dead on" with no rhyme or reason. I just know that I really like his coins. In fact, 48 of the Busties that I still have in my collection came from him.
(4) The crack at the date on the obverse corresponds to a point around the F in OF.
Thank you for responding.
You know as much as I do how long it sometimes takes to get something ready to post on the Forum.
When you (rhetorically speaking) get a response it confirms that your efforts have been acknowledged.
Regards,
Ed R.
This one looks like a terminal die state !
What I can see in your scan (and not in hand).
But the die crack through the outside of "0" (zero),
Runs up through the clasp, lower curl to the lower throat
and connects with the crack from Star 1 through the field.
The one from the lower bust looks to be multi-leveled as the die broke.
So with that, you tell me !
I would grade this one 53/55.
Herrman's is auction appearences, so possibly a newer edition, you.
But it's not to say the same coin didn't repeat.
Mike
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I really like the look of that one. Very nice!
Absolutely no 1810 postings on this thread for over six weeks.
Here's some 1810 obverse's on these Dansco pages in order to try to wake this thread up:
Which one is the nicest?
Another 1810 note, Half of the Au's are confined to the marriages of O-101, 102 & 103.
That leaves the remaining seven scarcer than the rarity tables say they are in that grade!...
Thanks Ed!
...thank you for your comments. The "nicest" is in the eye of the beholder.
Probably my favorite I have already shown here on this thread. ...and it is not even my highest graded 1810.
It is the off-center O-104a Late Die State with the 2nd obverse die crack that is not mentioned in the O/P book. This 2nd die crack is marked with the green arrows on the scan.
Here it is again:
The coin in my O-107 slot has a wonderfully well-struck left wing. Sadly (for me) I discovered recently that this "O-107" is really another O-107a. Which means the coin in my O-107a slot in the album is a dupe and it will have to go if and when I find a REAL O-107.
Here is the coin in my "O-107" slot. Check out the beautiful reverse strike. Note what appears to be a scratch thru the scroll - this is one of the diagnostic die cracks of the O-107a.
I was just going to rephrase that, and you beat me to it!
Yep O-107 NO CRACKS, why do they seem to be sooo easy to find?
It's a common R-3, and we have been over this before.
And I agree with you there, in my mind it would be a terminal state.
What's New on the coast?
Mike...
...this is off the thread subject, so I will make it quick.
What's new on the Coast?
Same old story in the southern part of the San Francisco Bay Area: Boring weather. Temps in the high 70's or low 80's. 10% percent humidity. No rain. A few fires. No bugs. No mosquites. No recent earthquakes to add drama and meaning to life. ...still wearing summer clothes even though it's past Labor Day.
The usual for September in the Land of Fruits and Nuts.
Some diagnostics for 1810 O-106 R4 (Marriage R3):
Obverse: Star 1 points to lower half of dentil. Star 7 points to upper half of dentil, and to lower half of curl. Forecurl stands clear of headband. Mouth is open and broad.
Reverse: A long die line extends upwards diagonally from the right corner of the shield into the wing. In the two lower left leaf pairs, the inner leaf of each is only a tiny line. I is centered under left side of T.
That is a mighty fine example of a Bustie Beauty!
Where have you been finding them?
& Much nicer that the O/P Plate!
Two thumbs up...
Mike
1810 O-110 (R2) which I would call a strong EF-45.
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102 capped bust half dollars - 100 die marriages
BHNC #198
1810 O-101a
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102 capped bust half dollars - 100 die marriages
BHNC #198
BHNC member # 184!
http://www.busthalfaddict.com
BHNC member # 184!
http://www.busthalfaddict.com
Lance.
1810 O-105 guido
up on my site, I have 2 examples on the page that have been Guidoized. check it!
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http://www.busthalfaddict.com
1810 O-107
BHNC member # 184!
http://www.busthalfaddict.com
BHNC member # 184!
http://www.busthalfaddict.com
1810 O-110
BHNC member # 184!
http://www.busthalfaddict.com