Options
Enormous rise in SCD price!
LickThoseStamps
Posts: 1,028 ✭
Last year, eBay dealer SmallForest published a price and availability guide for So-Called Dollars. Here is a quote from one of his current auctions on eBay:
“You won't go wrong purchasing this, espcially if you get if for less than fifteen thousand dollars.”
WOW!
His guide list this SCD as always being available for around $75 dollars.
“You won't go wrong purchasing this, espcially if you get if for less than fifteen thousand dollars.”
WOW!
His guide list this SCD as always being available for around $75 dollars.
0
Comments
Hey---anyone want to start collecting SCCCT?
So Called Chucky Cheese Tokens.......
Just give me a chance to buy a few first
Hey, MM, was it prolly AU or prolly Unc?
<< <i>Lets just say that some people are making a killing here.
Hey---anyone want to start collecting SCCCT?
So Called Chucky Cheese Tokens.......
Just give me a chance to buy a few first
Here ya go!
<< <i>Coin linked to is, "in excellent condition prolly AU/UNC to be on the safe side."
Hey, MM, was it prolly AU or prolly Unc?
Prolly cleaned. Maybe Mad Marty will let us know.
<< <i>Lets just say that some people are making a killing here. >>
Are SCDs now much different than CCHDs were during the 1980s? (CCHD = classic commem half dollars)
<< <i>Lets just say that some people are making a killing here.
Hey---anyone want to start collecting SCCCT?
So Called Chucky Cheese Tokens.......
Just give me a chance to buy a few first
There are very few amusement token collectors. It's a real shame since
they make a tremendous set that can be assembled very cheaply.
Some of the tokens are already quite scarce and attrition is staggering.
I believe there are only six or eight serious collectors.
<< <i>
<< <i>Lets just say that some people are making a killing here.
Hey---anyone want to start collecting SCCCT?
So Called Chucky Cheese Tokens.......
Just give me a chance to buy a few first
There are very few amusement token collectors. It's a real shame since
they make a tremendous set that can be assembled very cheaply.
Some of the tokens are already quite scarce and attrition is staggering.
I believe there are only six or eight serious collectors. >>
And those got much more real use than many other modern collectibles. A real part of Americana.
<< <i>Lets just say that some people are making a killing here.
Hey---anyone want to start collecting SCCCT?
So Called Chucky Cheese Tokens...
Just give me a chance to buy a few first
Ya know the old saying:
You can lead a horse to water, but you'll never convince him he's a JackAss for drinkin'
I thought it fit for the beanie baby bunch !
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
<< <i>
<< <i>Lets just say that some people are making a killing here.
Hey---anyone want to start collecting SCCCT?
So Called Chucky Cheese Tokens...
Just give me a chance to buy a few first
Ya know the old saying:
You can lead a horse to water, but you'll never convince him he's a JackAss for drinkin'
I thought it fit for the beanie baby bunch ! >>
But they did find out when they tried to sell those 3 figure beanie baby's when the SCBBM....SO CALLED BEANIE BABY MARKET for those went bye bye
Very, very few bring more then a grand and if you take the Leshers out, you could hold the rest in your hand.
that is because no one cares about a stupid token from a video
game arcade that died to mis-managament.
i love how people think it is a shame something is not collected when
no one likes it.
i might as well collect dirt! low low price! easy to find. great!
i also think SCD are being marketed. no one in real life will ever mention
them to me. exotic junk from past days made for past trinket collectors.
<< <i>Lets just say that some people are making a killing here.
Hey---anyone want to start collecting SCCCT?
So Called Chucky Cheese Tokens.......
Just give me a chance to buy a few first
Actually,, Called,, And so called before they even were issued to the public,, as was told to a mint employee back two years ago.... They are Affectionately call .. {" DPD's" }... { "DEAD PRESIDENT DOLLARS" } .
<< <i>exotic junk from past days made for past trinket collectors. >>
They are almost exactly like CCHDs, except that CCHDs are NCLT. Proofs were and are also made for trinket collectors.
CCHDs are probably a good example in that the broader market is weak but there is still strength for truly choice pieces.
This is similar to a lot of classic gold where common dates are "junk gold" but condition rarities still get premiums.
I don't think SCDs will be much different. A lot will sell for very little but a few very nice pieces here and there will command premiums.
i might as well collect dirt! low low price! easy to find. great!
>>
If it were possible to get good dirt samples from various areas over time they
would have great value to some researchers. If you could authenticate them
as well, they would have value to collectors too.
Where are you going to get dirt from the Black Forest in 1642?
People collect all sorts of things and almost everything has value to someone.
To be a collectible an item has to be shown to be authentic.
<< <i>
that is because no one cares about a stupid token from a video
game arcade that died to mis-managament.
i love how people think it is a shame something is not collected when
no one likes it.
i might as well collect dirt! low low price! easy to find. great!
i also think SCD are being marketed. no one in real life will ever mention
them to me. exotic junk from past days made for past trinket collectors. >>
Sure, if you look at SCD's in a vacuum they are just junk bought by fools
as souvenirs by people with more money than sense. But nothing exists
in a vacuum. Some of those people who bought special medals at the
world's fair did it not because they didn't realize they were giving up val-
uable currency for a worthless trinket but because they had strong emot-
ions about the fair and wanted a keepsake or momento to rekindle these
feelings later. Those who produced them didn't do so to deprive hard-work-
ing people of their money but to provide a souvenir and a reminder to future
generations that something took place. Some of these fairs were important
in their own right such as the lift provided by the 1933/ 4 Century of Progress
which lifted the spirits of a nation mired in the very long recession.
Most of the SCD's had very legitimate reasons to be made and many have
far better artistry than will ever be found on a coin. Yes, the fact that they
had a very limited audience both in time and numbers limits their appeal, but
they remain as testament to old events and noble ideas.
Amusement tokens circulated as money. There are exceedingly few which might
be considered artistic and fewer which might be considered important due to
the extremely limited usage, but they still circulated as money. No one would
expect these to rival other collectibles for these reasons. I still think it's a damn
shame that coin collectors outnumber amusement token collectors by about four
million to eight.
These tokens will never be a popular collectible but it would seem a certainty that
there will be a lot more collectors at some point in the future.
edited to reverse post order.
If you look at the World's Columbian Exposition, about 27 million people or half the population of the US attended. To me, that is pretty amazing. The WCE, PPIE, COP, GGIE, etc. are all really impressive from a historical perspective. People don't get together like that anymore. I think lack of television had a lot to do with it.
One thing that is fun and annoying about SCDs is researching who made them. For some it's easy to find out the designer, engraver, minter, etc. For others it is very difficult. This is the same for amusement tokens. For most US coins, a lot of that information is known and thus there is a lot less mystery. Doing the research is a large part of the fun for me.
That being said, I try to be a realist regarding the long term market for these.
i would think that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would "prolly" deduce that the seller made an error in the listing and then couldn't change it or never even became aware of the mistake. but what the heck, i always enjoy a good pile-on, there hasn't been much for the mob to gripe about lately.
i find it intriguing that there continues to be so much contempt-prior-to-investigation here by so many who collect essentially common coins such as CBH's, Morgan Dollars, IHC's and on and on and on-------and yet it's an interesting niche such as this that gets slammed because it's "getting marketed" by some who are "making a killing" of sorts. amazing, simply amazing. you knuckleheads clamor and complain about the lousy designs today and the staggeringly high mintages, yet you also find it necessary to complain about SC$'s with lovely designs, historical importance and true rarity. in reality, many who collect these interesting pieces of American History actually know what they're doing and have actually done some "homework and read the book first" before rushing headlong into certain doom!!! perhaps, and this is just a stretch, some collectors know what they're doing and collect while dancing to their own drummer................just like most mainstream collectors do.
one last salient point for the mobs consideration------do any of the detractors actually know anything about what they're criticizing????
a picture from another thread. if the shoe fits,well heck, slip it on!!!
<< <i>i find it intriguing that there continues to be so much contempt-prior-to-investigation here by so many who collect essentially common coins such as CBH's, Morgan Dollars, IHC's and on and on and on----- >>
Would Jeff nickels be included in the knucklehead crowd?
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
<< <i>
<< <i>i find it intriguing that there continues to be so much contempt-prior-to-investigation here by so many who collect essentially common coins such as CBH's, Morgan Dollars, IHC's and on and on and on----- >>
Would Jeff nickels be included in the knucklehead crowd?
leave Jeffery out of this
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
<< <i>“You won't go wrong purchasing this, espcially if you get if for less than fifteen thousand dollars.”
i would think that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would "prolly" deduce that the seller made an error in the listing and then couldn't change it or never even became aware of the mistake. but what the heck, i always enjoy a good pile-on, there hasn't been much for the mob to gripe about lately.
i find it intriguing that there continues to be so much contempt-prior-to-investigation here by so many who collect essentially common coins such as CBH's, Morgan Dollars, IHC's and on and on and on-------and yet it's an interesting niche such as this that gets slammed because it's "getting marketed" by some who are "making a killing" of sorts. amazing, simply amazing. you knuckleheads clamor and complain about the lousy designs today and the staggeringly high mintages, yet you also find it necessary to complain about SC$'s with lovely designs, historical importance and true rarity. in reality, many who collect these interesting pieces of American History actually know what they're doing and have actually done some "homework and read the book first" before rushing headlong into certain doom!!! perhaps, and this is just a stretch, some collectors know what they're doing and collect while dancing to their own drummer................just like most mainstream collectors do.
one last salient point for the mobs consideration------do any of the detractors actually know anything about what they're criticizing????
a picture from another thread. if the shoe fits,well heck, slip it on!!!
>>
It isn't that (speaking for myself but maybe others feel this way as well) that some of them aren't well done and cool, it is rather that they are NOT US COINS. They really don't belong on THIS forum, do they?
They should go to "other collectibles", imho.
Yes, some of the same people collect them that collect US coins, and nothing is wrong with that....doesn't mean that they should be posted here, does it? Just another OT set of postings.....
Just like using this forum to post the book is available and where to buy it.....just because people ask for the info doesn't mean that it can be in the BST. Sure an announcement could be in a forum to say it is done but the actual BST should host the where/how to get it.
That's definitely one of the things that is nicer about the NGC boards...a lot less of this misc/OT postings (like the SCD threads) are allowed into the US Coin forums.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>they are NOT US COINS. [...] Just another OT set of postings..... >>
And not even anything PCGS can slab either
<< <i>That's definitely one of the things that is nicer about the NGC boards...a lot less of this misc/OT postings (like the SCD threads) are allowed into the US Coin forums. >>
I'm sure they are allowed. I think it's more that there are fewer SCD thread starters there.
<< <i>
<< <i>they are NOT US COINS. [...] Just another OT set of postings..... >>
And not even anything PCGS can slab either
<< <i>That's definitely one of the things that is nicer about the NGC boards...a lot less of this misc/OT postings (like the SCD threads) are allowed into the US Coin forums. >>
I'm sure they are allowed. I think it's more that there are fewer SCD thread starters there. >>
Just less lemmings ATS.
If the "right" buyer/slabber/seller started promoting Empty ToothPaste tubes on these boards, there would be a flurry of ETP threads here and a few would make a lot of money buying/slabbing/selling ETP tubes to the lemmings.
I guess it makes the world go around.
edited to add---No implied similarity between SCD's and ETP tubes is meant in this thread, nor were any animals injured in the writing of this thread.
few years, one must still exercise caution in chasing them
heedlessly. The three key factors are still to go after the ones
that are at least scarce, high grade and origonal state and having
beautiful artistic merit. You would want to go after SCD that
stand the best chance of inclusion in the new HK book coming
out in early 08. I would not really spend a lot of money for SCD
dated after 1964.
I have noticed that the number of really gem specimens has gone down,
replaced with cleaned up, washed up and worn examples. I guess folks are
holding back on the good ones in the hope they will be included and
numbered, in the new book.
I believe that the good stuff will come on the market, after the book comes out
and at higher prices.
Camelot
<< <i>
<< <i>“You won't go wrong purchasing this, espcially if you get if for less than fifteen thousand dollars.”
i would think that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would "prolly" deduce that the seller made an error in the listing and then couldn't change it or never even became aware of the mistake. but what the heck, i always enjoy a good pile-on, there hasn't been much for the mob to gripe about lately.
i find it intriguing that there continues to be so much contempt-prior-to-investigation here by so many who collect essentially common coins such as CBH's, Morgan Dollars, IHC's and on and on and on-------and yet it's an interesting niche such as this that gets slammed because it's "getting marketed" by some who are "making a killing" of sorts. amazing, simply amazing. you knuckleheads clamor and complain about the lousy designs today and the staggeringly high mintages, yet you also find it necessary to complain about SC$'s with lovely designs, historical importance and true rarity. in reality, many who collect these interesting pieces of American History actually know what they're doing and have actually done some "homework and read the book first" before rushing headlong into certain doom!!! perhaps, and this is just a stretch, some collectors know what they're doing and collect while dancing to their own drummer................just like most mainstream collectors do.
one last salient point for the mobs consideration------do any of the detractors actually know anything about what they're criticizing????
a picture from another thread. if the shoe fits,well heck, slip it on!!!
>>
It isn't that (speaking for myself but maybe others feel this way as well) that some of them aren't well done and cool, it is rather that they are NOT US COINS. They really don't belong on THIS forum, do they?
They should go to "other collectibles", imho.
Yes, some of the same people collect them that collect US coins, and nothing is wrong with that....doesn't mean that they should be posted here, does it? Just another OT set of postings.....
Just like using this forum to post the book is available and where to buy it.....just because people ask for the info doesn't mean that it can be in the BST. Sure an announcement could be in a forum to say it is done but the actual BST should host the where/how to get it.
That's definitely one of the things that is nicer about the NGC boards...a lot less of this misc/OT postings (like the SCD threads) are allowed into the US Coin forums. >>
Obviously Bochiman doesn't have a clue as to what he speaks. SCDs are specifically for US events, therefore, US COINS. I don't believe anywhere where it says that this forum can only be for US Mint-made coins with a dollar value. If it states that somewhere, then excuse me. You should also probably inform every coin show that exonumia shouldn't be included either because, of course, they aren't US coins. No one forces you to open a thread that blatently states So-Called Dollars in the thread, yet you find the impulse to open it, reply to it, and bringing it back to the top of the list.
There are certainly SCDs that are in high enough mintages to warrant them from much lower dollar values. Just like a generic Morgan Dollar in average grade doesn't bring much. However, find it in the highest grade possible. Many of these coins are trinkets, but many are not. In that the majority of SCDs were made to celebrate an event of either local or national significance, when a dignitary came, they were usually issued a special version of the medal. For example, take a look at the gold Erie Canal that is for sale in the Heritage Auction. Only a few were made and this is a time to own a medal from 1853, made in gold, and one of just a few that still exist. I personally am not interested, but that certainly doesn't diminish it's significance.
I personally like 291fifth's comment
<< <i>Are collectors of SCD going to bury themselves for the remainder of their collecting years? >>
I can ask the same thing about what you collect, what a baseball card collector collects, what a glass bottle collector collects, a comic book collector collects... boy, I can go on and on. Just because you have no F***IN clue about it doesn't mean it's not collectable, has no value, or is not interesting. Sometime, for your sake, I hope you get a clue.
yes, they would be included. the difference would be that i don't complain about the Esoteric Exonumia items like you guys, i collect those types of items!!
It isn't that (speaking for myself but maybe others feel this way as well) that some of them aren't well done and cool, it is rather that they are NOT US COINS. They really don't belong on THIS forum, do they?
i would say that since there have been repeated "Cleansings" here since i have been a member and nothing has ever been remotely mentioned about So-Called Dollars being non-eligible, they are indeed allowed by default. while most OT thread meet there eventual demise at the hands of those with deletion power, i have no recollection of a SC$ thread ever being dismissed.
you did get one thing right-----they are well done and cool!!
And not even anything PCGS can slab either
actually PCGS plays "pick and choose" with these. there's no reason for PCGS to slab Lesher Referendum Dollars which were struck by a private individual and NOT slab medals struck by the U.S. Mint and authorized by an Act of Congress(can anyone say Zerbe??). though i believe NGC goes over the edge with some of the things they'll slab, they are definitely more in tune with the hobby. but hey, that's just my personal opinion....................
what most miss about So-Called Dollars is that in a historic sense, they stand head and shoulders above the overwhelming majority of U.S. Coinage when viewed in terms of the event they are from. can you tell me what that event might be for the below lovely bronze medal??
If the "right" buyer/slabber/seller started promoting Empty ToothPaste tubes on these boards, there would be a flurry of ETP threads here and a few would make a lot of money buying/slabbing/selling ETP tubes to the lemmings.
i don't perceive most of the SC$ related threads here to be promotional in nature and with the intent being to enrich the OP. what i think happened is that several of us started posting about these medals and much to our surprise, there were many "closet" collectors. since the original book is always sought after and in limited supply, it tells me that the demand is real and not a fluke.
i don't even think profit was the intent of the new book, although it's entirely probable that the project will give a return to those involved. while i'm not privvy to anything about that project, i've tried to help when asked and think it's a book that's been a long time needed. criticizing it would be akin to hoping additional knowledge on any subject be held back from the masses simply because someone might profit from the venture. that just doesn't make sense.
I really believe that you are a total collector and not "connected" to anything shady implied with SCD's in any way.
You were the first person that introduced me to SCD's and when you first did, years ago, I found them to be fascinating, and still do.
Besides, I like this kind of stuff.
Here is an original 1593 in bronze. Talk about talent beyond their years in 1593
<< <i>so, you aren't really a knucklehead after all!!!!!
Well.....One out of two ain't bad...
Small Forest has the new guide coming out in about a month.... its very handy and should be part of any SCD collectors library....
-Randy Newman
<< <i>Don't know about that.Bochiman you suck
US COIN Forum means to me "coins that are official US denominated coinage". TMOT...just because you are married to them and a writer/co-writer of a book on them, which you took time to post how to buy it, etc, in the coin forum instead of the BST "because you were asked to by 'several' people", doesn't mean someone else is wrong.
There is a "generals collectible" forum. I guess that is too below you. These aren't even replicas of US coins.
PCGS is looking the other way on these posts, which, imho, are OT for this forum, so I will look the other way now, as well. I just find it funny that OT posts like SCD posts are OK if you are the one interested/doing them. Guess people who post threads on the SCDs here are above the rules, right?
As for jpo1965, feel free to enlighten me on how I suck? I guess for trying to follow what the forum is designed for? For speaking my mind on that? Again, I don't care that people collect them nor that they want to post about them....but there are already forums that are here that could support them, just some people feel they are special I guess.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>PCGS is looking the other way on these posts, which, imho, are OT for this forum, so I will look the other way now, as well. I just find it funny that OT posts like SCD posts are OK if you are the one interested/doing them. Guess people who post threads on the SCDs here are above the rules, right? >>
My guess is that most readers are ok with SCDs just like most readers are okay with NCLT and fantasy coins like the 1913 V nickel
of managing the atmosphere, we would all end
up breathing H2S , CO and ozone.
Camelot
Obviously, $15,000 for such an item is either a typo or the guy just banged his head and was seeing stars when he wrote the auction up!
But, seriously... I understand this is a US Coin forum and these are not US coins but... what's wrong with collecting tokens or other odd ball items? Heck, wasn't it just recently the ANA added casino chips to numismatics?
I don't know but... a "trinket" or "token" or "whatever" from some old World's Fair or other event is rather cool... I wouldn't pay $15,000 for one but... heck, I'd take a "trinket" with Babe Ruth's face on it from the late 20's any day!
<< <i>I actually HAVE a small dirt collection- vials from Omaha Beach, the warning track at Fenway Park, and the Galapagos Islands are included. Wonder if I can get them slabbed? >>
Welcome aboard.
They may be quite valuable to somebody one day. The Galapagos sample isn't all guano, I trust.
<< <i>
US COIN Forum means to me "coins that are official US denominated coinage". TMOT...just because you are married to them and a writer/co-writer of a book on them, which you took time to post how to buy it, etc, in the coin forum instead of the BST "because you were asked to by 'several' people", doesn't mean someone else is wrong.
There is a "generals collectible" forum. I guess that is too below you. These aren't even replicas of US coins.
PCGS is looking the other way on these posts, which, imho, are OT for this forum, so I will look the other way now, as well. I just find it funny that OT posts like SCD posts are OK if you are the one interested/doing them. Guess people who post threads on the SCDs here are above the rules, right?
>>
I can't disagree with you in principle. But the GCF is not used so posts there
would simply disappear. SCD's and other tokens and medals are closely ass-
ociated with US coins. Some are denominated in US currency and most were
originally bought and sold with US currency. Designers who made US coins al-
so, in many cases, made medals and other exonumia. Even the US mint made
a few SCD's and numerous medals. These were bought by coin collectors more
than any other group, probably.
There is a long and close history between collecting US coins and the various
tokens and medals which were used or produced here.
<< <i>
<< <i>
US COIN Forum means to me "coins that are official US denominated coinage". TMOT...just because you are married to them and a writer/co-writer of a book on them, which you took time to post how to buy it, etc, in the coin forum instead of the BST "because you were asked to by 'several' people", doesn't mean someone else is wrong.
There is a "generals collectible" forum. I guess that is too below you. These aren't even replicas of US coins.
PCGS is looking the other way on these posts, which, imho, are OT for this forum, so I will look the other way now, as well. I just find it funny that OT posts like SCD posts are OK if you are the one interested/doing them. Guess people who post threads on the SCDs here are above the rules, right?
>>
I can't disagree with you in principle. But the GCF is not used so posts there
would simply disappear. SCD's and other tokens and medals are closely ass-
ociated with US coins. Some are denominated in US currency and most were
originally bought and sold with US currency. Designers who made US coins al-
so, in many cases, made medals and other exonumia. Even the US mint made
a few SCD's and numerous medals. These were bought by coin collectors more
than any other group, probably.
There is a long and close history between collecting US coins and the various
tokens and medals which were used or produced here. >>
Good points all!
SC$'s from the Philly mint;
We must forgive the Mint For making these for our 100'th Independance birthday also;
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
<< <i>Hi,
Obviously, $15,000 for such an item is either a typo or the guy just banged his head and was seeing stars when he wrote the auction up!
But, seriously... I understand this is a US Coin forum and these are not US coins but... what's wrong with collecting tokens or other odd ball items? Heck, wasn't it just recently the ANA added casino chips to numismatics?
I don't know but... a "trinket" or "token" or "whatever" from some old World's Fair or other event is rather cool... I wouldn't pay $15,000 for one but... heck, I'd take a "trinket" with Babe Ruth's face on it from the late 20's any day! >>
Bravo !!!
and Hi to you too !
Joe
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
<< <i>US COIN Forum means to me "coins that are official US denominated coinage". TMOT...just because you are married to them and a writer/co-writer of a book on them, which you took time to post how to buy it, etc, in the coin forum instead of the BST "because you were asked to by 'several' people", doesn't mean someone else is wrong. >>
Then you better tell the pattern guys to stop posting too because they are not official US denominated coinage. They were never issued and therefore, not denominated. In addition, many of the SCDs were minted by the US Mint. Take, for example HK-154 and HK-155 which are US MINT medals from the Columbian Expo.