Did token purchasers have a window of opportunity to exchange them for cash or credit, I wonder?
I can see the State's interest, though. Once they're demonetized, you'll be able to buy them in 5,000-piece bags from Rich Hartzog, Paul Cunningham, and other dealers for four or five cents per token.
And if Mr. Jensen were truly standing up for his principles, he should have chosen community service over jail time --- not to mention it probably would have gotten him more press coverage for the cause!
At least Jensen talked up the quality of the jail. "The food was better than expected" -- that's priceless. You do have to wonder about his wife's cooking... and why she didn't realize her husband was gone for three days.
At 68, maybe he chose jail because he doesn't have the endurance for community service, and he just wanted to get out of the house for awhile.
so he thought he was standing up for principle. I believe I read the quote "over my dead body". In other words, " judge... I'd rather do time in jail for the principle that the tokens I bought should still be worth the money I paid for them and serve as payment for that which I purchased them for..., and I would beseech the court and submit to you that the authorities might find in my favor in this ruling. "
I mean, if it was based on that principle... it is about the money.
LOL... I was wondering about that, too. How does a 68-year-old man spend three days ANYWHERE without telling his wife where he is?!
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"Esther, where's Thomas? Don't you usually get groceries together at Sam's Club every Saturday?"
"Yes... yes, you're right."
"And here it is Monday, and..."
"Well, he might be on a business trip?"
"A business trip? He's a retired driftwood sculptor!"
===
What if their house had burned down, or something?
Esther: "I can't get through to Thomas's cell phone, and he's supposed to be visiting his sister's dentist's brother-in-law in Albany, about a fresh load of driftwood that just came in."
I think what we are seeing is a pinpointed version of the whole story.
The whole story probably involves some form of token redemption that the PERP failed to take advantage of.
The media grabs little pieces and turns them into something that its not, in an attempt to gain your attention.....looks like it worked in this case.....lol
I hope he wins his lawsuit. The state of NH should be ashamed of themselves. The crooked inept elected politicians these days do not care about the plight of the common tax paying "Joe". Since he is most likely retired, I dont blame him for doing the time and making the state pay to house him.
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"And if Mr. Jensen were truly standing up for his principles, he should have chosen community service over jail time"
I fail to see your logic. If he serves community service he is giving way more than 50c in value; however, if he goes to jail it probably costs them hundreds per day. I hope he and others do it again.
"It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
Hmmm, 3 hots & a cot... I think he got his money's worth... and "15 minutes" of fame... now all he has to do is list his two "Jailhouse Tokens" on eBay for the real payoff!!
Looks like those deactivated tokens were destroyed by the state instead of going to collectors/dealers. There's a PDF file here with info on the destruction contract : Contract
NH had 16,000,000 tokens in storage in 2006 and they wanted them gone. Whoever got the job had to certify under oath that they were going to destroy them all. This is in case a redemption program ever comes about.
If I was retired I would have done exactly what that fellow did. Well at least once in my life anyway. he probably wanted to experience what jail was all about.
It is not the money. It is about standing up to the stupidy of the state for taking away what he legally paid for.
I had that happen to me once at the George Washington Bridge when I had no extra cash on me and they refused to accept my prepaid bridge toll stub. They had discontinued them in favor of the EZpass and did have a redemption period but I did not know about it at the time.
I refused to pay cash since I needed the small cash funds I had to park my car in Manhattan. Since I was very early for my appointment I was able to wait this one out. I stayed in my car and waited for the Port Authority Police to come out. While the toll collector was nasty, the policeman was very nice and escorted me to the GW Bridge Port Authority office. They made an exception and offered to redeem my prepaid ticket at my original cost of $3.60 instead of giving me full gross value of $4 which I thought was fair and I paid the difference of 40c in cash.
It was actually pleasant and appropriate conduct on both sides.
Now that I use the EZpass the now pay $6 or $7 for the toll depending on the time of day or night.
My additional thought. I hope New Hampshire gets whats coming to them in the lawsuit.
sounds like the moron who arrested a woman for not watering and keeping up with her lawn. Dumbasses everywhere. Yet they see illegal aliens and they look the other way because their local politician needs votes.
<< <i>I think what we are seeing is a pinpointed version of the whole story.
The whole story probably involves some form of token redemption that the PERP failed to take advantage of.
The media grabs little pieces and turns them into something that its not, in an attempt to gain your attention.....looks like it worked in this case.....lol
<< <i>I think what we are seeing is a pinpointed version of the whole story.
The whole story probably involves some form of token redemption that the PERP failed to take advantage of.
The media grabs little pieces and turns them into something that its not, in an attempt to gain your attention.....looks like it worked in this case.....lol
AL >>
It would be funny there was a program but it looks like people are get stiffed according to the NH Bureau of Turnpikes (nh.gov) (my underlining, NH bolding):
<< <i>NOTICE!
NH Turnpike Tokens, by state law, are no longer accepted as a valid form of toll fare payment and there is no redemption program for tokens. >>
Sounds like he has a legitimate beef and the media was hiding the important fact that NH really did take his money and only give him a $150 fine, community service or jail for three days in return.
b. A particular bridge's toll token costs one cent.
c. George, a businessman, buys 1,000 tokens, paying for them with two $5 half eagles (1911-D and 1916-S, each in MS-65, fresh from a bank). He anticipates a daily commute back and forth over the bridge for the next few years.
d. George's business route changes before he uses any of the tokens, and he puts them all away in a drawer.
e. Decades later, his grandson inherits the tokens. They were demonetized in 1939. They now have a numismatic value of five cents each.
f. The toll for the same bridge is now $7 one-way.
Question:
1. Is his grandson entitled to:
i. $10 from the State (the original cost of the tokens)
ii. $7,000 from the State (the value of the bridge access purchased)
iii. two MS-65 half eagles from the State (one 1911-D, one 1916-S)
iv. $260,000 from the State (the current market value of his grandfather's half eagles)
We tend to make fun of the situation.... since only 50c was involved in this one transaction.
But as pointed out.... the REAL theft was the state no longer honoring the tokens that individuals paid good money for. Wonder just how much that total money was worth? I agree that it would be a very interesting lawsuit.
<< <i>sounds like the moron who arrested a woman for not watering and keeping up with her lawn. Dumbasses everywhere. Yet they see illegal aliens and they look the other way because their local politician needs votes. >>
You just hit the nail on the head !!
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."
I think being in jail made the stronger statement and shows this guy has amazing principals. Before we criticize him we should look at ourselves and see if we are anywhere near this guys ethical level and therefore have license to be critical. My guess is that excludes a lot of us. So we should shut the hell up and be humbled that there are people like this still in the world.
lol ... Coinsomniac, I think you're on to something!
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"The jail was nice and clean, the food was good and plentiful, there was no constant nagging and harping about how Gladys and her husband went to Italy for a month and we can't even spend a weekend at Martha's Vineyard---I'm sorry, what was the question?"
<< <i>I think being in jail made the stronger statement and shows this guy has amazing principals. Before we criticize him we should look at ourselves and see if we are anywhere near this guys ethical level and therefore have license to be critical. My guess is that excludes a lot of us. So we should shut the hell up and be humbled that there are people like this still in the world. >>
Of course he's a man of principles and now he's paying for our weakness.
Americans don't complain about anything anymore. Products are watered down, promises are voided, and wealth is revoked but people don't com- plain. Such thievery as this should never have been tolerated but one man complaining is just a crackpot.
There's no problem demonetizing them but there has to be a turn-in period where you can get your cash back without undue effort.
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Standing up for principle will get you laying down with Leroy
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I can see the State's interest, though. Once they're demonetized, you'll be able to buy them in 5,000-piece bags from Rich Hartzog, Paul Cunningham, and other dealers for four or five cents per token.
And if Mr. Jensen were truly standing up for his principles, he should have chosen community service over jail time --- not to mention it probably would have gotten him more press coverage for the cause!
At least Jensen talked up the quality of the jail. "The food was better than expected" -- that's priceless. You do have to wonder about his wife's cooking... and why she didn't realize her husband was gone for three days.
At 68, maybe he chose jail because he doesn't have the endurance for community service, and he just wanted to get out of the house for awhile.
In other words, " judge... I'd rather do time in jail for the principle that the tokens I bought should still be worth the money I paid for them and serve as payment for that which I purchased them for..., and I would beseech the court and submit to you that the authorities might find in my favor in this ruling. "
I mean, if it was based on that principle... it is about the money.
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
===
"Esther, where's Thomas? Don't you usually get groceries together at Sam's Club every Saturday?"
"Yes... yes, you're right."
"And here it is Monday, and..."
"Well, he might be on a business trip?"
"A business trip? He's a retired driftwood sculptor!"
===
What if their house had burned down, or something?
Esther: "I can't get through to Thomas's cell phone, and he's supposed to be visiting his sister's dentist's brother-in-law in Albany, about a fresh load of driftwood that just came in."
The whole story probably involves some form of token redemption that the PERP failed to take advantage of.
The media grabs little pieces and turns them into something that its not, in an attempt to gain your attention.....looks like it worked in this case.....lol
AL
I fail to see your logic. If he serves community service he is giving way more than 50c in value; however, if he goes to jail it probably costs them hundreds per day. I hope he and others do it again.
I believe this guy may have a case if he does decide to sue.
Ray
<< <i>There is no redemption program for the outstanding tokens.
I believe this guy may have a case if he does decide to sue. >>
If there's no redemption program, I can see how some people would consider it theft....
<< <i>If he serves community service he is giving way more than 50c in value; >>
You don't think he's giving "way more than 50c in value" by sitting in a jail cell for 72 hours? Even at minimum wage that's ... what, about $400?
I imagine the average New England retiree values his time greater than seven tenths of a cent per hour.
Hmmm, 3 hots & a cot... I think he got his money's worth... and "15 minutes" of fame... now all he has to do is list his two "Jailhouse Tokens" on eBay for the real payoff!!
Contract
NH had 16,000,000 tokens in storage in 2006 and they wanted them gone. Whoever got the job had to certify under oath that they were going to destroy them all. This is in case a redemption program ever comes about.
It is not the money. It is about standing up to the stupidy of the state for taking away what he legally paid for.
I had that happen to me once at the George Washington Bridge when I had no extra cash on me and they refused to accept my prepaid bridge toll stub. They had discontinued them in favor of the EZpass and did have a redemption period but I did not know about it at the time.
I refused to pay cash since I needed the small cash funds I had to park my car in Manhattan. Since I was very early for my appointment I was able to wait this one out. I stayed in my car and waited for the Port Authority Police to come out. While the toll collector was nasty, the policeman was very nice and escorted me to the GW Bridge Port Authority office. They made an exception and offered to redeem my prepaid ticket at my original cost of $3.60 instead of giving me full gross value of $4 which I thought was fair and I paid the difference of 40c in cash.
It was actually pleasant and appropriate conduct on both sides.
Now that I use the EZpass the now pay $6 or $7 for the toll depending on the time of day or night.
My additional thought. I hope New Hampshire gets whats coming to them in the lawsuit.
<< <i>I think what we are seeing is a pinpointed version of the whole story.
The whole story probably involves some form of token redemption that the PERP failed to take advantage of.
The media grabs little pieces and turns them into something that its not, in an attempt to gain your attention.....looks like it worked in this case.....lol
AL >>
<< <i>I think what we are seeing is a pinpointed version of the whole story.
The whole story probably involves some form of token redemption that the PERP failed to take advantage of.
The media grabs little pieces and turns them into something that its not, in an attempt to gain your attention.....looks like it worked in this case.....lol
AL >>
It would be funny there was a program but it looks like people are get stiffed according to the NH Bureau of Turnpikes (nh.gov) (my underlining, NH bolding):
<< <i>NOTICE!
NH Turnpike Tokens, by state law, are no longer accepted as a valid form of toll fare payment and there is no redemption program for tokens. >>
Sounds like he has a legitimate beef and the media was hiding the important fact that NH really did take his money and only give him a $150 fine, community service or jail for three days in return.
a. The year is 1930.
b. A particular bridge's toll token costs one cent.
c. George, a businessman, buys 1,000 tokens, paying for them with two $5 half eagles (1911-D and 1916-S, each in MS-65, fresh from a bank). He anticipates a daily commute back and forth over the bridge for the next few years.
d. George's business route changes before he uses any of the tokens, and he puts them all away in a drawer.
e. Decades later, his grandson inherits the tokens. They were demonetized in 1939. They now have a numismatic value of five cents each.
f. The toll for the same bridge is now $7 one-way.
Question:
1. Is his grandson entitled to:
i. $10 from the State (the original cost of the tokens)
ii. $7,000 from the State (the value of the bridge access purchased)
iii. two MS-65 half eagles from the State (one 1911-D, one 1916-S)
iv. $260,000 from the State (the current market value of his grandfather's half eagles)
v. nothing from the State
But as pointed out.... the REAL theft was the state no longer honoring the tokens that individuals paid good money for. Wonder just how much that total money was worth? I agree that it would be a very interesting lawsuit.
<< <i>Two Knuckleheads met and one sent the other to jail.
upon arrival at the jail, a third knucklehead said : "Hi, my name's Leroy"
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<< <i>sounds like the moron who arrested a woman for not watering and keeping up with her lawn. Dumbasses everywhere. Yet they see illegal aliens and they look the other way because their local politician needs votes. >>
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
They were demonetized in 1939.
Real:
They were demonetized on December 31, 2005.
a. The US demonetizes dollars on December 31, 2007.
b. Ameros become legal tender on January 1, 2008
c. There is no redemption plan
d. You weren't able to spend all your dollars by December 31, 2007
Question:
1. Are you entitled to:
i. nothing from the government
ii. a 150 Amero fine
iii. community service
iv. jail for three days
v. all of the above
Can I get some of these tokens? I want to get arrested for principle too!
==
"The jail was nice and clean, the food was good and plentiful, there was no constant nagging and harping about how Gladys and her husband went to Italy for a month and we can't even spend a weekend at Martha's Vineyard---I'm sorry, what was the question?"
<< <i>I think being in jail made the stronger statement and shows this guy has amazing principals. Before we criticize him we should look at ourselves and see if we are anywhere near this guys ethical level and therefore have license to be critical. My guess is that excludes a lot of us. So we should shut the hell up and be humbled that there are people like this still in the world. >>
Of course he's a man of principles and now he's paying for our weakness.
Americans don't complain about anything anymore. Products are watered
down, promises are voided, and wealth is revoked but people don't com-
plain. Such thievery as this should never have been tolerated but one man
complaining is just a crackpot.
There's no problem demonetizing them but there has to be a turn-in period
where you can get your cash back without undue effort.
<< <i>Hypothetical:
a. The US demonetizes dollars on December 31, 2007.
b. Ameros become legal tender on January 1, 2008
c. There is no redemption plan
d. You weren't able to spend all your dollars by December 31, 2007
Question:
1. Are you entitled to:
i. nothing from the government
ii. a 150 Amero fine
iii. community service
iv. jail for three days
v. all of the above >>
Perfect Example.