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Given the wild-west nature of these boards, should Coin World make reference to banter here in their

I like to think of journalism as a profession that is a cut above the rest (sort of like the medical profession, where the sick and infirm are healed at the hands of a trained professional who is generally highly regarded in the community at large). However, for some reason, it bothers me when a Coin World writer makes reference to items discussed on these boards in his or her articles.

Because these boards are somewhat unregulated, you get some pretty extreme views on matters numismatic. Also, because the postings are anonymous for the most part, who knows how reasoned the original threads or the responses truly are. I, for one, give little weight to comments made “off the record”. That is why it is unnerving when a CW journalist quotes or gives credence to comments made on these boards.

I do approve, however, of when CW actually quotes a member here and identifies the person. For example, I remember that board member IGWT was quoted a few months ago, and his quote was well stated and of perfect sound-byte length (I wonder if IGWT has White House aspirations image ). Do you have any thoughts on CW’s use of information from these boards? Is there any downside to doing this?
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    JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    I don't mind the writers using the info.

    I do feel that the writers are professional and should be able to ascertain what is credible and what is not.

    If the writers included inane and sarcastic comments, I think that it would tarnish their professional reputation more than it would influence the public thru misinformation.
    PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows.
    I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,459 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I do approve, however, of when CW actually quotes a member here and identifies the person. >>

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    You can quote me on this..."I have not bought a copy of Coin World for many years."...end quote...
    ......Larry........image
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    (sort of like the medical profession, where the sick and infirm are healed at the hands of a trained professional who is generally highly regarded in the community at large).

    With all due respect, that is worthy of a chuckle.
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    GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭
    It depends on what kind of an article it is. If it's one of their chatty columns, speculation and hyperbole from the boards are fair game. If, however, this is an article intended to give solid information, I expect writers to do their own independent research with credible sources. I don't think any writer should ever quote anything off this board without specifically contacting the "quoter".
    Winner of the Coveted Devil Award June 8th, 2010
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    If a "journalist" is not working by a code of professional standards, why should they be considered a professional journalist?
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Because these boards are somewhat unregulated, you get some pretty extreme views on matters numismatic. Also, because the postings are anonymous for the most part, who knows how reasoned the original threads or the responses truly are. I, for one, give little weight to comments made “off the record”.

    some of the "off the record" comments bear more truth and accuracy than those where the source is identified by a trained Professional Journalist. spin and rhetoric come to mind...............
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    mozeppamozeppa Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If a "journalist" is not working by a code of professional standards, why should they be considered a professional journalist? >>




    I can't believe you used the words "professional standards" and "journalist" in the same sentence!
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    I have an off-topic comment about coin world.

    I would subscribe if they would only send it in a plain brown wrapper that would conceal the fact that I am a coin collector.

    I live in a major US city and the fewer people who know I collect coins the better.

    Are there any other good numismatic publications that do send in a plain brown wrapper or that have "Online Only Subscriptions"?
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    << <i>If a "journalist" is not working by a code of professional standards, why should they be considered a professional journalist? >>




    I can't believe you used the words "professional standards" and "journalist" in the same sentence! >>





    Kinda like an honest lawyer......oops did I say that outloud.........


    lol

    AL
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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I like to think of journalism as a profession that is a cut above the rest (sort of like the medical profession, where the sick and infirm are healed at the hands of a trained professional who is generally highly regarded in the community at large). However, for some reason, it bothers me when a Coin World writer makes reference to items discussed on these boards in his or her articles.

    Because these boards are somewhat unregulated, you get some pretty extreme views on matters numismatic. Also, because the postings are anonymous for the most part, who knows how reasoned the original threads or the responses truly are. I, for one, give little weight to comments made “off the record”. That is why it is unnerving when a CW journalist quotes or gives credence to comments made on these boards.

    I do approve, however, of when CW actually quotes a member here and identifies the person. For example, I remember that board member IGWT was quoted a few months ago, and his quote was well stated and of perfect sound-byte length (I wonder if IGWT has White House aspirations image ). Do you have any thoughts on CW’s use of information from these boards? Is there any downside to doing this? >>




    I had to laugh at your association of the Medical profession to journalism. While I have nothing per se against CW, "professional journalism" seems somewhat oxymoronic in their case. I would expect Time or Newsweek to attribute quotes accurately - but CW is comparable to neither, unless your standard is "words printed on a page and folded into a magazine".

    An oncologist who prescribes Laetrille and coffee ground enemas to treat colon cancer gets about the same respect from me as most "professional journalists". Today more than ever it seems that "All the news that's print to fit" (Spoonerism intentional). Today, the Fourth Estate has their own axe to grind - like everyone else. Fact checking has been replaced by fact selling.

    I suppose CW mentioning banter on these boards as background, or as a general sense of mood is OK - but to quote anything as Gospel without verification is irresponsible.
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    saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭
    I invite that rag to quote me anytime.

    Too bad I never talk about the mint, the ANA, or raw circulated coins.
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    IGWTIGWT Posts: 4,975
    -- "Too bad I never talk about the mint, the ANA, or raw circulated coins." --

    Indeed.
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    BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    I have no respect for Coin World because the (lack of) ethics of their some of their large advertisers. They can quote me on this.
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    2ndCharter2ndCharter Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good point, Barry. I am a long-time subscriber to Coin World but, you're right, some of their large advertisers are as bad as the scammers on FleaBay. (You think they will quote that?).

    Member ANA, SPMC, SCNA, FUN, CONECA

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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,652 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have seen CW quote these boards a number of times. They are definitely watching, as occassionally news break here before other places.
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    WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CW could use some improvment, I gave up on their subscription along with NMN and Grey sheets about 5 years ago. They are all REHASH coin banter.

    WS
    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
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    BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    The comments on this Forum are credible as well as incredible.

    When it comes to negative comments about some of the scuzzy

    large advertising dealers on Coin World, well ,they could be caught

    killing someone and as long as their ads are paid in advance...all is well.
    There once was a place called
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    sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    While there is a great deal of banter here there are also many occasions when people have things to numismatic import to share.
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    I've been quoted 2 times in Coin world and mentioned 2 other times. About the Keelboat nickel release, wisconsin quarters and then my 2 CSNS literary awards. image
    What Mr. Spock would say about numismatics...
    image... "Fascinating, but not logical"

    "Live long and prosper"

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    saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭
    You can do better kid.

    It's a start, but shoot higher. image
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    GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 18,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like to think of journalism as a profession that is a cut above the rest (sort of like the medical profession, where the sick and infirm are healed at the hands of a trained professional who is generally highly regarded in the community at large).


    You mean like today's "Drive-by Media" journalism?? Comparing them to doctors???

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