My first dirty gold - grade revealed

claychaser · August 31, 2007 1:54PM

Took my first foray into pre Civil War "dirty gold". The three marks are the prongs from the PCGS rattler.

Anybody want to guess the grade? (Grade is posted down in the thread)

commoncents05 · August 31, 2007 1:57PM

Neat RPM. Interesting looking toning, I didn't think gold toned.

-Paul

BlindedByEgo · August 31, 2007 2:02PM

Very cool. I'll go EF45. Congrats on the new gold!

dtkk49a · August 31, 2007 2:14PM

VF35

robec · August 31, 2007 2:19PM

Nice looking N.O. Gold. It looks EX-45 to me

options26 · August 31, 2007 2:23PM

Very nice looking, I say XF40, in a rattler maybe vf35.

"Neat RPM. Interesting looking toning, I didn't think gold toned"

Gold doesn't tone, it gets dirty from everything it comes in contact with over the years.

RYK · August 31, 2007 2:27PM

Now that's my kind of coin!

Excellent pick-up.

XF

GoldenEyeNumismatics · August 31, 2007 3:01PM

<< Neat RPM. Interesting looking toning, I didn't think gold toned.

-Paul >>

It doesn't but copper does

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GoldenEyeNumismatics · August 31, 2007 3:02PM

I like it!

You should talk to ScarsdaleCoin.

Last time I checked he had a real nice dirty 1844-O Quarter Eagle in PCGS VF (don't remember the exact grade).

fc · August 31, 2007 3:21PM

oooh nice coin. crusty xf45 and will sticker at BAB.

RYK · August 31, 2007 3:31PM

<< I like it!

You should talk to ScarsdaleCoin.

Last time I checked he had a real nice dirty 1844-O Quarter Eagle in PCGS VF (don't remember the exact grade). >>

I would pay a million dollars for an 1844-O QE in any grade!

gene2393 · August 31, 2007 4:06PM

id probably say ex45, also it looks like your new coin came out of a jewelry piece, i only say this because there are 3 notches on both the obverse and reverse... is this maybe a possiblity???

gene2393

PerryHall · August 31, 2007 5:02PM

XF40 Nice coin.

claychaser · September 1, 2007 12:20AM

Here's the coin and the grade. The edge marks are the holder, not the coin.....

TorinoCobra71 · September 1, 2007 12:31AM

<< Here's the coin and the grade. The edge marks are the holder, not the coin.....

>>

That what I guessed in my PM to ya......You could have told me......

PCGS VF30

Rattler - Old Green Holder!

TorinoCobra71

RYK · September 1, 2007 1:48AM

The 43-O QE that you purchased is the scarce "large date" variety. It is the second scarcest NO quarter eagle, behind the 1845-O, and is considered an essential coin in the New Orleans quarter eagle set. When the coin was slabbed by PCGS, they did not recognize the variety, but they do now. Doug Winter estimates that there are 75-85 coins known in all grades (compared to the small date--600-800 known). I would not be surprised if it is the scarcest business strike coin in your collection. It would be in in mine. Nice pick up.

TwoSides2aCoin · September 1, 2007 2:02AM

<< The 43-O QE that you purchased is the scarce "large date" variety. It is the second scarcest NO quarter eagle, behind the 1845-O, and is considered an essential coin in the New Orleans quarter eagle set. When the coin was slabbed by PCGS, they did not recognize the variety, but they do now. Doug Winter estimates that there are 75-85 coins known in all grades (compared to the small date--600-800 known). I would not be surprised if it is the scarcest business strike coin in your collection. It would be in in mine. Nice pick up. >>

These are the words that inspire numismatists. See ? They don't have to be perfect, they just have to be handled properly. No cleaning, no dipping, no enhancing. Just handled the way coins are handled. SPENT !

That's great you share, RYK. It's got to be a wonderful bit of news for the owner.

fc · September 1, 2007 4:05AM

screw the variety talk. just another way for high end dealers to make
the pops smaller. no one cared 20 years ago and no one does now.

dont let ryk influence you. ;-)

and oh yea, that whole rattler thing having undergraded coins is
long gone. dont even bother look.

we all know JA cannot grade worth a crap. just look at that coin and slab!

:-) god coin dealers are scoundrels.

RYK · September 1, 2007 4:24AM

screw the variety talk. just another way for high end dealers to make
the pops smaller. no one cared 20 years ago and no one does now.

I am not sure if you are being facetious, fc, but the transition from small date/small letters to large date/large letters was a major naked eye design transition for quarter eagles, half eagles, and eagles which took place from 1842-1843. Any numismatist interested in gold coins from these years should recognize the significance. It's a lot easier to see this design change than it is to read "VDB" on the reverse of a 1909-S Lincoln, to determine whether the fourth leg of the 37-D buffalo nickel is missing, or to figure out if the mint mark on the reverse of a 1916 merc dime is a "D" or an "S".

Nic · September 1, 2007 4:33AM

Neat coin. I guessed 35 before reading more. I would have guessed 40 if I saw RYK's post

. Congrat.'s!
K

fc · September 1, 2007 5:22AM

No. i am tired of the variety stuff. allow the collectors to decide
if they want it, let pcgs just grade the things. the pops are stupid
because of it. switching over half way was just dumb.

small date in a large date holder. then they decide to divide
the pops in two categories way too late. totally inaccurate.

fc · September 1, 2007 5:25AM

btw, did i tell the original poster he has an awesome coin that
was conservatively graded, original, and desirable!

shows how gradeflation has ruined my eye. only 291fifth would
have been close :-|

eyoung429 · September 1, 2007 7:42AM

Kudo's John!!!! Very nice piece and what a way to start a series!!!! I would keep it in the rattler and enjoy it for years to come!!!!

Thank you for sharing with us!!!

mgoodm3 · September 1, 2007 7:47AM

nice coin.

coinkat · September 1, 2007 8:27AM

30 seems abit conservative

claychaser · September 1, 2007 8:31AM

Thanks got all the encouraging words on the start of my endeavor. This coin was purchased as part of a loose accumulation of 19th century type coins. I'm thinking of assembling a "dirty gold" type set with each mint mark and some major types.

Longacre · September 1, 2007 9:57AM

One of my favorite dates!! That is an EF today. Is that the one from CoinRaritiesonline?

Reece · September 1, 2007 10:26AM

Yes I would pay big money for any dealer that could come up with a 1844-0 Quarter Eagle also.!!

Reece · September 1, 2007 10:27AM

And by the way very nice coin!!

claychaser · September 1, 2007 10:37AM

Yep - it's a C-R-O.

Longacre · September 1, 2007 10:45AM

<< Yep - it's a C-R-O.

>>

This date/variety is extremely undervalued. Buy as many as you can (so long as they look like your coin).

fc · September 1, 2007 11:21AM

This date/variety is extremely undervalued. Buy as many as you can (so long as they look like your coin).

or maybe very few people collect by type/date/mint/series of 1/4
and 1/2 eagles, so the price is about right...

once again, the whole variety thing to make the pop seem special
or to make it seem more rare is pointless.

your coin stands by itself!

RYK · September 1, 2007 11:33AM

<< once again, the whole variety thing to make the pop seem special
or to make it seem more rare is pointless. >>

Hold the numismatic presses! The 1909-S VDB Lincoln cent will now be valued the same as the 1909-S, the 1892-O "Micro O" Barber half the same as the normal O, the 1793 "Strawberry Leaf" cent the same as the standard, the 1854-O "Huge O" quarter the same as the normal O, the 1937-D 3-legged buffalo nickel the same as the four-legged, the 1849-C "open wreath" gold dollar the same as the "closed wreath", the 1861-S Pacquet $20 the same as the non-Pacquet, etc. etc. etc.

originalisbest · September 1, 2007 11:41AM

It's true, relatively few people give a poop about gold varieties. Sorry! On the other hand, the coin in question is superb.

RYK · September 1, 2007 11:45AM

<< It's true, relatively few people give a poop about gold varieties. Sorry! On the other hand, the coin in question is superb. >>

Relatively few people collect 19th century gold by date and those that do appreciate the design change. We are not talking about a small or large mintmark, or a date shifted a few millimeters one way or another, we are talking about a significant design overhaul. Anyone who has spent more than a few minutes studying 19th century gold on a message board understands the significance. In other gold series, the C and D half eagles for example, these large date/small date examples have been collected as separate issues for generations, and the scarcer of the pair has sold for a significant premium for as long.

Longacre · September 1, 2007 11:50AM

<< 
Relatively few people collect 19th century gold by date and those that do appreciate the design change. We are not talking about a small or large mintmark, or a date shifted a few millimeters one way or another, we are talking about a significant design overhaul. Anyone who has spent more than a few minutes studying 19th century gold on a message board understands the significance. In other gold series, the C and D half eagles for example, these large date/small date examples have been collected as separate issues for generations, and the scarcer of the pair has sold for a significant premium for as long. >>

I have to side with the Dirty Gold Man.

NumisOxide · September 1, 2007 12:05PM

I was gonna say 35. Nice one.

originalisbest · September 1, 2007 12:22PM

That's fine, so long as you can always convince those who would buy such a piece that they should care. As with most varieties, it might be nice to realize you own one, and even nicer if you can get someone to agree it ought to be worth a big premium.

RYK · September 1, 2007 12:30PM

<< That's fine, so long as you can always convince those who would buy such a piece that they should care. As with most varieties, it might be nice to realize you own one, and even nicer if you can get someone to agree it ought to be worth a big premium. >>

I am about as concerned as the owner of the Strawberry Leaf cent.

RYK · September 1, 2007 12:34PM

<< hey, just as long as that closed 3 is better then the open 3 i can continue to live. >>

Or is it the other way around?

fc · September 1, 2007 12:35PM

hey, just as long as that closed 3 is better then the open 3 i can continue to live.

:-|

claychaser · September 1, 2007 12:53PM

My collecting of coins like this has a loosely defined "funky cool" factor when it comes to dates, die cracks, clashes, etc. I do not plan on selling or flipping this one, unless funds are being marshalled to buy a "better" coin of this type and MM. On the other hand, it is kind of nice to buy a key or semi-key coin to the series as part of assembling the type or MM set.

JRocco · September 1, 2007 1:27PM

<< id probably say ex45, also it looks like your new coin came out of a jewelry piece, i only say this because there are 3 notches on both the obverse and reverse... is this maybe a possiblity???

gene2393 >>

Hey Gene,
Not sure if anyone answered you or not. The 3 notches you mention are just part of the old PCGS slabs they used to hold the coins in place, they are not on the coin.

P.S.- That is a really nice looking piece of gold you picked up there

claychaser · September 3, 2007 6:44AM

Any comments from the Labor Day crowd?

fc · September 3, 2007 7:28AM

u know clay, that is the thing with collecting gold.
only a few here will comment on these threads and realize
your coin is awesome.

the rest will talk about modern mint crap that they are currently
flipping or waiting for in the mail...

very few people seem to even care more then a glance.

ahhhh coin collecting, the way it has always been.

FatMan · September 3, 2007 7:41AM

You have a very nice Zero Mint™ piece there. Definitely FatMan approved. Congrats.

DaveG · September 3, 2007 10:12AM

That looks like a very nice coin. . .

and I don't even collect quarter eagles!

MidLifeCrisis · September 3, 2007 10:20AM

<< u know clay, that is the thing with collecting gold.
only a few here will comment on these threads and realize
your coin is awesome.

the rest will talk about modern mint crap that they are currently
flipping or waiting for in the mail...

very few people seem to even care more then a glance.

ahhhh coin collecting, the way it has always been. >>

For what it's worth...I think it's a great coin! Congratulations claychaser.

My first dirty gold - grade revealed

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