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tmcsr69tmcsr69 Posts: 1,307 ✭
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I sent this coin in for a crossover from a ICG MS70 FS to PCGS ???.
I could tell the coin wasn't MS70-although I felt it was worthy of a 69. To My surprise the coin was awarded a MS67. Just shows that first strike really doesn't indicate a better coin.

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  • SilverEagles92SilverEagles92 Posts: 6,787 ✭
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  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,429 ✭✭✭✭✭
    First strike means first shipped. It has no relationship to actual first strikings.
    And the crossover grade from ICG? Doesn't surprise me at all.

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With the reverse spotting, there's no way that coin deserves a 69. Is a PCGS 69 worth so much that the coin was worth crossing?
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  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,838 ✭✭✭
    I am surprised that PCGS would crossover a first strike coin at all from ICG. I guess as long as they have the same definition for First Strike.
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  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977 ✭
    oh no, say it ain't so.
  • HonoluluDudeHonoluluDude Posts: 2,167 ✭
    I see a lot of milkspots. A 67 might be a bit generous in this case.
  • GoldDigger66GoldDigger66 Posts: 173
    I'd crack it out and acetone it.
  • COINB0YCOINB0Y Posts: 4,505
    I am surprised that PCGS would crossover a first strike coin at all from ICG. I guess as long as they have the same definition for First Strike

    I agree with pf70!

    I thought PCGS would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do any type of cross-over on the trademarked First Strike!

    Anyone have any writen PCGS information that says they would??
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,039 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>First strike means first shipped. It has no relationship to actual first strikings.
    And the crossover grade from ICG? Doesn't surprise me at all. >>



    It is very possible that the spots formed while in the holder AFTER it was certified by ICG.
    Do you have a picture of it in the ICG slab, or before it was slabbed by ICG ?

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  • DJCoinzDJCoinz Posts: 3,856 ✭
    I have the exact same coin. Except in PCGS 69 FS. Unfortunately it's now MS67ish because milkspots have developed. image Definitely not worth crossover fees and mine isn't worth sending in for a spot check.
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  • 57loaded57loaded Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭
    milk happens b4 slabbing too.

    i have a 'gotta be proud low pop' reverse proof PR67DCAM, I might make a pocket watch face out of it as the milk is right dead centre obverse.

    acetone get rid of that??

  • DeadhorseDeadhorse Posts: 3,720 ✭


    << <i>milk happens b4 slabbing too.

    i have a 'gotta be proud low pop' reverse proof PR67DCAM, I might make a pocket watch face out of it as the milk is right dead centre obverse.

    acetone get rid of that?? >>



    I've had much better luck with MS70 than acetone when it comes to milk spots. So far it's always worked for me, but I usually get rid of the coin fairly soon afterward so I can't speak to them returning at some later time.
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  • tmcsr69tmcsr69 Posts: 1,307 ✭
    Hind sight is such a wonderful tool-I wish I had thought to take a picture before sending it off-just didn't occur to me. I do recall that when I was examining the coin seeing a few very small spots but I didn't think they were milk spots at the time.
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  • JrGMan2004JrGMan2004 Posts: 7,557 ✭


    << <i>With the reverse spotting, there's no way that coin deserves a 69. Is a PCGS 69 worth so much that the coin was worth crossing? >>




    Plus the crap on the sun... that really looks like a typical silver eagle that has aged a few years and developed some spots.






    But what surprises me more here, is that PCGS is recognizing ICG's First Strike coins and keeping the designation?
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  • JrGMan2004JrGMan2004 Posts: 7,557 ✭


    << <i>I'd crack it out and acetone it. >>



    That won't do squat for the coin. Once a milkspot has shown up, you're out of luck. It's there forever... unless you want to dig the metal that it's embedded into out of the coin...
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  • FLBuffaloHunterFLBuffaloHunter Posts: 3,127
    MS70 will remove it from the Proofs sometimes. From the MS they rarely come out ;(
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  • ILikeMercsILikeMercs Posts: 1,392 ✭
    here's a 69 for ya.
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  • DJCoinzDJCoinz Posts: 3,856 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>With the reverse spotting, there's no way that coin deserves a 69. Is a PCGS 69 worth so much that the coin was worth crossing? >>




    Plus the crap on the sun... that really looks like a typical silver eagle that has aged a few years and developed some spots.






    But what surprises me more here, is that PCGS is recognizing ICG's First Strike coins and keeping the designation? >>

    That is very surprising. They even gave it the flag label!
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  • DJCoinzDJCoinz Posts: 3,856 ✭
    wth, might as well post mine too. notice the rather largish milkspot(s)? image heck of a lot worse than yours, lol. but at least i've got the 69 holder. image

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  • JrGMan2004JrGMan2004 Posts: 7,557 ✭


    << <i>MS70 will remove it from the Proofs sometimes. From the MS they rarely come out ;( >>




    It depends on the type of spot... a spot from a foreign material, like spit, yeah, you'll likely be able to get that kind of spot out... but a white milkspot is embedded in the surface of the coin. The soap residue has been fused to the surface of the coin.
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  • FLBuffaloHunterFLBuffaloHunter Posts: 3,127
    Anybody wan't to see my expensive pocket piece? Originally a 2006-W First Strike© MS69. It started to develop a white film along the right edge which has now turned brown image

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  • FLBuffaloHunterFLBuffaloHunter Posts: 3,127


    << <i>But what surprises me more here, is that PCGS is recognizing ICG's First Strike coins and keeping the designation? >>


    What is also amazing is that PCGS does not accept 70's for a crossover submission since they can't determine if the coin will cross until it's removed from the holder. All in all a very 'amazing' submission image
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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,789 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Anybody wan't to see my expensive pocket piece? Originally a 2006-W First Strike© MS69. It started to develop a white film along the right edge which has now turned brown image >>



    Expsensive pocket piece. PCGS would have grade guaranteed that.....


    As for the 1st strike thing crossing over.....maybe the OP will say when it was submitted to PCGS? If it was within time, they would do it (ie...first 30 days)

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  • FLBuffaloHunterFLBuffaloHunter Posts: 3,127


    << <i>

    << <i>Anybody wan't to see my expensive pocket piece? Originally a 2006-W First Strike© MS69. It started to develop a white film along the right edge which has now turned brown image >>



    Expsensive pocket piece. PCGS would have grade guaranteed that.....

    Yep, they did and also sent back the coin image
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,497 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I am surprised that PCGS would crossover a first strike coin at all from ICG. I guess as long as they have the same definition for First Strike

    I agree with pf70!

    I thought PCGS would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do any type of cross-over on the trademarked First Strike!

    Anyone have any writen PCGS information that says they would?? >>



    PCGS will honor the requirements for First Strike™ from another TPG.

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  • DJCoinzDJCoinz Posts: 3,856 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I am surprised that PCGS would crossover a first strike coin at all from ICG. I guess as long as they have the same definition for First Strike

    I agree with pf70!

    I thought PCGS would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do any type of cross-over on the trademarked First Strike!

    Anyone have any writen PCGS information that says they would?? >>



    PCGS will honor the requirements for First Strike™ from another TPG.

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    Wow, a 1998 FS. Bet that would go for moon money.
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  • ebizgobroebizgobro Posts: 596 ✭✭✭
    a newbie question - How do you attach the pictures? I want to show some of my coins.
  • FLBuffaloHunterFLBuffaloHunter Posts: 3,127
    You must upload the picture to a web image hosting service. There are many free ones like this one. You then press the picture icon (fourth button from the left) in the message option buttons and paste the URL for the image (the direct link to image one) in the popup prompt.
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  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    67 seems about right.
  • dlimb2dlimb2 Posts: 3,449
    U, already have milk spots!!!!

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