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RaufusRaufus Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭✭✭
Folks-

I have less than 50 ebay transactions, mostly coins, about equal numbers as buyer and seller. I have a 100% positive rating, which I work hard to keep.

I recently made a non-coin purchase from a "Powerseller" with 700+ transactions and a 98+% positive rating. I purchased the item w/a BIN and paid immediately with PayPal.

Five days later I received an email stating that they accidently listed more of the items than they had, that they were sorry for this and that I would receive a refund. Three days later I emailed them asking for the refund and requesting a positive feedback as I paid immediately and in full, thus meeting my buyer obligations fully.

Three more days have gone by with no response whatsoever from the seller and no refund. I have opened a dispute with PayPal.

My qustion is would you leave them a well deserved negative feedback? If they had issued a prompt refund I would have left a neutral feedback noting that the item was not shipped but they promplty refunded my money.

Having no refund nor any communication certainly warrants a neg. Of course, the (I believe) flawed ebay feedback system will allow them to leave a retaliatory negative feedback, and I have less than 50 feedbacks.

They ebay feedback system is very frustrating in that this latter possibility actually discourages one from leaving honest, well deserved negative feedback.

THANKS for any comments!
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    It's been almost a week since they said they would issue a refund and they haven't done so? They also ignored your eMail followup about the refund? If that's the case, yes, I would neg them without hesitation. But, I would wait until I had my refund.

    Russ, NCNE
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would wait a few more days.

    You're correct that if you leave a negative first, they will retaliate and leave you a negative.

    You definitely don't want this, especially since you have a relatively low feedback score (albeit a perfect one!).

    Perhaps in the end, there will be no feedback given either way. Sometimes this happens, and is a choice I would rather have than exchanging negative ones.

    Hope this helps.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    PS: Don't worry about the retaliation. Simply respond to it with something like: This is a retaliatory feedback from a deadbeat seller. Anybody who reads it will know what happened. In fact, experienced eBayers will be sitting in front of their monitors giving you a thumbs up.

    Russ, NCNE
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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PS: Don't worry about the retaliation. Simply respond to it with something like: This is a retaliatory feedback from a deadbeat seller. Anybody who reads it will know what happened. In fact, experienced eBayers will be sitting in front of their monitors giving you a thumbs up.

    Russ, NCNE >>



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    I do not think I would leave negative feedback, because of the retailitory neg possibility. I would leave neutral feedback stating what happened. I'd try not to let it bother you too much. This a pretty common thing that happens for powersellers who list lots of items with one generic form. The possibility of a neg. feedback would significantly affect your feedback percentage and you would lose money in the long run.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I do not think I would leave negative feedback, because of the retailitory neg possibility. >>



    This is why the eBay feedback system is useless.



    << <i>I would leave neutral feedback stating what happened. >>



    Most sellers would retaliate with a neg anyway.

    Russ, NCNE
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>This a pretty common thing that happens for powersellers who list lots of items with one generic form. >>



    True, and if that's all it were I would give the seller a pass. But, he should have immediately refunded this buyer's money, or immediately responded to this buyer's followup eMail inquiring about the promised refund. The fact that the seller is ignoring the situation is what earns the neg.

    Russ, NCNE
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    RaufusRaufus Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for your thoughtful replies. I really appreicate them. Still no communication, no refund. I will neg. him once the refund is finally resolved via PayPal. I know that this carries more risk for me than for him, which is of course is symptomatic of the extremely flawed ebay feedback system. If everyone would leave negs. when they are truly deserved it would be of great benefit to all. I wonder how many other buyers were hosed by this guy but were too concerned about a return neg. to leave a neg. for this seller? I certainly hope that my future potential buyers and sellers look at my inevitable neg. and appreciate what really happend! Ebay REALLY needs to change the system. Non-shipping sellers and non-paying buyers should not be able to leave negs. on responsible buyers and sellers.
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    08HALA2008HALA20 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭


    << <i>PS: Don't worry about the retaliation. Simply respond to it with something like: This is a retaliatory feedback from a deadbeat seller. Anybody who reads it will know what happened. In fact, experienced eBayers will be sitting in front of their monitors giving you a thumbs up.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Ditto image


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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wait for the dispute resolution and your refund, before doing any feedback. Just opening the dispute tends get results.

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    RaufusRaufus Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Will do. I thought that just opening the dispute and a polite email via the PayPal resolution center would get the refund as well. In keeping with his past behavior, despite opening the dispute yesterday, still no refund and no response. This guy is a "PowerSeller" but he has only 730+ feedbacks. It's not like he does so many daily transactions/day that he can't keep track of them. He does about 4 transacitons/day. I just can't figure it at all. Horrible service for no apparent reason. I wonder what his real positive feedback percentage would be if people were not afraid of vengeful return negs.
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    get your money first.
    then try to get the Positive feedback.. THEN neg this putz.
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All "Powerseller" means is that they sold a certain quota ($$$ amount) in a certain time period, and maintain that for a few months or lose the status.
    It has nothing to do with unit volume. Someone could sell 10,000 items for $0.01 each and not be considered a powerseller, whereas someone can sell a couple of platinum 1oz coins each month, for a few months, and get powerseller.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    Just for future reference, feedback under 99% is actually pretty bad. The feedback system is flawed.
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    RaufusRaufus Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks very much for the powerseller explaination.

    Of course this "less than 99% is bad" fact, combined with the numerous sellers who note that they won't sell to a buyer with any negs. points to the huge disincentive for me to neg. this putz unless I can extract my well deserved positive per BobaFett72's post above. One neg would put my postive feedback percentage at 97% despite having a 100% prior to this and executing my buyer obligations fully and promptly in this transaction. The feedback system really is flawed. Certainly Ebay must know this. Why have they not made any attempt to fix it?
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    nankrautnankraut Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would wait a few more days.

    You're correct that if you leave a negative first, they will retaliate and leave you a negative.

    You definitely don't want this, especially since you have a relatively low feedback score (albeit a perfect one!).

    Perhaps in the end, there will be no feedback given either way. Sometimes this happens, and is a choice I would rather have than exchanging negative ones.

    Hope this helps. >>



    I agree with the above comment. But this seller is obviously not improving his customer relations with such shoddy actions (or lack thereof)..image
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    Go to the Ebay Site Map and click on the "Find Contact Information" on the right hand side of the screen.

    Plug in the User ID of member and the Auction Number, then in about 10 seconds you'll have the S.O.B.'s phone Number.

    Give him a call, 9/10 times you will be suprised how quick it get's resolved.
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    RaufusRaufus Posts: 7,254 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the tip Coinboy. I will do exactly as you suggest. I didn't know about this contact info. This board is such a fantastic resource. Thanks to all for you input and comments!!! :-)
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    coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
    Seller is a scammer POwerSeller.

    In the 2 minutes it took them to create an email to you informing you that you would be receiving a future refund, they could have just as easily logged into their PayPal account, done a full refund, and in the notes section of the refund they could have put the same damned explanation they emailed to you.

    Upon receipt of refund, neg the pr*ck.
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    remumcremumc Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭
    It is my understanding that for feedback to count, it has to be left within 90 days. Wait 89 days, 23 hours, 59 minures, and 30 seconds from the end of the auction, then neg him. If the above is true, they won't have time to leave you a neg. BTW, I'd check this out and not take my word on it!

    Regards,

    Wayne
    Regards,

    Wayne

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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It is my understanding that for feedback to count, it has to be left within 90 days. Wait 89 days, 23 hours, 59 minures, and 30 seconds from the end of the auction, then neg him. If the above is true, they won't have time to leave you a neg. BTW, I'd check this out and not take my word on it!

    Regards,

    Wayne >>

    For the record, that's not true. As long as the auction listing can be accessed, feedback can be left. The timeframe is not set in concrete at 90 days.
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    pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461
    <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">A long count to 10 before a neg----think about it first.
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    I know it stinks when the Ebay system allows for the "bad guy" to mess up your 100%. I was threatend twice in 10 years with either leave a POS feedback 1st or no refund. They had my coin and my money, they accepted the coin back then threatened me. I just filed my complaint with payal and ebay. I never left any neg feedback as a negative for a big seller disappears from the 1st page real fast. For me it would stay on that 1st page for a while. It just is not worth a neg to me to get a neg even if I lose a few bucks or a nice coin. I just remember the deals I got and feel it all equals out. Almost 10 years 100%. Knock on wood.
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