Anaconda, you've done it again...

dizzyfoxx · July 23, 2007 9:26AM

...You've made me almost fall out of my chair in awe!!! This coin is nothing short of spectacular!!!
What an absolute treasure.

DUIGUY · July 23, 2007 9:30AM

Fletcher · July 23, 2007 9:31AM

D4mn ... I need that!

clarkbar04 · July 23, 2007 9:31AM

You trying to get in the will?

Rikkey · July 23, 2007 9:32AM

There coins are outstanding. I look at that site everyday.

I am a New Purchases guy.

dizzyfoxx · July 23, 2007 9:33AM

<< I would love to be able to click, Add To Cart.

>>

Well I did try to add it to my cart. But my cart responded... "Dream on partner"

slipgate · July 23, 2007 10:12AM

I'll give you $10k for it!

Paleodale · July 23, 2007 10:31AM

<< ...You've made me almost fall out of my chair in awe!!! This coin is nothing short of spectacular!!!
What an absolute treasure.

>>

..... You know,, it is stuff like this that makes the internet a real nice thing to have.. I have seen more beautiful coins in the last 8 years.. I probly would never ever have the chance to see before the internet... I don't have the time and money to travel all around the states to numerous coins shows to see these kind of beauties...

tmot99 · July 23, 2007 10:37AM

I'm not buying it until it gets a sticker saying that I can buy it.

Goldbully · July 23, 2007 10:58AM

My credit card limit is only $91,000.......

millennium · July 23, 2007 11:03AM

My personal opinion......He has the finest coins ON the internet.

Barry · July 23, 2007 11:12AM

Are MS61 coins now permitted to have wear?

ziggy29 · July 23, 2007 11:16AM

<< Are MS61 coins now permitted to have wear? >>

Welcome to "market grading." That's been not only allowed, but almost *expected*, of recent coins priced...err, graded MS-61.

Russ · July 23, 2007 11:16AM

<< I'm not buying it until it gets a sticker saying that I can buy it. >>

I doubt that coin would pass muster.

Russ, NCNE

DNADave · July 23, 2007 11:20AM

What would be the technical grade?

I'll guess AU55

Prethen · July 23, 2007 11:24AM

Holy cow!!! What a coin!

Fletcher · July 23, 2007 11:26AM

<< I doubt that coin would pass muster.

Russ, NCNE >>

Maybe if they sent it to you for one of your famous MS70 and acetone dips it would have a better chance ...

And, since you don't think that the coin would be "stickered", exactly what standards are the consortium using to certify coins now???

quickwing · July 23, 2007 11:30AM

Wonder if they would send it out and let me decide if I liked it in my hand before paying?

GoldenEyeNumismatics · July 23, 2007 11:31AM

I love the coin, but no way is it MS61. AU55 would be more appropriate.

dizzyfoxx · July 23, 2007 11:36AM

<< 

<< I doubt that coin would pass muster.

Russ, NCNE >>

Maybe if they sent it to you for one of your famous MS70 and acetone dips it would have a better chance

>>

ziggy29 · July 23, 2007 11:40AM

<< And, since you don't think that the coin would be "stickered", exactly what standards are the consortium using to certify coins now??? >>

Well, I'm not Russ, but I'd like to think one rule would be that MS coins must show no traces or wear and have no luster breaks. No market graded 55s and 58s in MS holders.

IGWT · July 23, 2007 11:45AM

<< 

<< And, since you don't think that the coin would be "stickered", exactly what standards are the consortium using to certify coins now??? >>

Well, I'm not Russ, but I'd like to think one rule would be that MS coins must show no traces or wear and have no luster breaks. No market graded 55s and 58s in MS holders. >>

Which, by the way, is virtually impossible to distinguish from a weak strike in pictures, even photographs of the quality taken by Brandon.

topstuf · July 23, 2007 12:05PM

What? Another light cyan and steel blue with peach grey centers widget?

tmot99 · July 23, 2007 12:06PM

<< 

<< 

<< And, since you don't think that the coin would be "stickered", exactly what standards are the consortium using to certify coins now??? >>

Well, I'm not Russ, but I'd like to think one rule would be that MS coins must show no traces or wear and have no luster breaks. No market graded 55s and 58s in MS holders. >>

Which, by the way, is virtually impossible to distinguish from a weak strike in pictures, even photographs of the quality taken by Brandon. >>

That's kind of what I was thinking. This would be very hard to judge here, although I agree that it APPEARS to be wear. It may very well be weak strike.

JustBustDimes · July 23, 2007 12:20PM

<< Are MS61 coins now permitted to have wear? >>

Russ, I think we are now in the days of AU-50 to AU-62!

stman · July 23, 2007 12:22PM

<< Well, I'm not Russ, but I'd like to think one rule would be that MS coins must show no traces or wear and have no luster breaks. No market graded 55s and 58s in MS holders. >>

Good luck on that.

They would probably have to shoot down 98% of the Bust halves for a start. And IMO that's the way it should be, ain't gonna happen, again IMO.

Russ · July 23, 2007 12:29PM

It was a better dealer when it was in a PCGS AU50 holder.

Russ, NCNE

JustBustDimes · July 23, 2007 12:31PM

<< It was a better dealer when it was in a PCGS AU50 holder.

Russ, NCNE >>

And a third the price!

stman · July 23, 2007 12:31PM

<< It was a better dealer when it was in a PCGS AU50 holder.

Russ, NCNE >>

Gotta love it........

IGWT · July 23, 2007 12:32PM

Gawd, I love Heritage.

Fletcher · July 23, 2007 12:32PM

<< It was a better dealer when it was in a PCGS AU50 holder.

Russ, NCNE >>

Wow ... I just swallowed my gum!

coinlieutenant · July 23, 2007 12:33PM

Priceless...

MidLifeCrisis · July 23, 2007 12:36PM

Whatever the "true" grade, it's still a really nice coin!

Russ · July 23, 2007 12:36PM

Like I said, it's unlikely it would pass muster at CAC.

Russ, NCNE

DJCoinz · July 23, 2007 12:39PM

That is gorgeous!

EDIT to add: That is definitely the same coin tho.

Russ · July 23, 2007 12:40PM

So, you guys don't have to swap back and forth for comparison:

Russ, NCNE

RYK · July 23, 2007 12:41PM

Interesting, but not unexpected, turn of events.

Do you think the coin has been worked between the Heritage sale and its recent appearance? Or is it just different photography technique?

stman · July 23, 2007 12:43PM

I have to wonder if some kind of spot removal was attempted on the obverse. Could just be the image, but?

RYK · July 23, 2007 12:44PM

Does this example illustrate why we need (or at least may benefit from) a "Consortium"?

Aaron04 · July 23, 2007 12:45PM

Thats pretty disturbing ! AU-50 to MS61

Russ · July 23, 2007 12:46PM

<< Does this example illustrate why we need (or at least may benefit from) a "Consortium"? >>

It certainly illustrates how chumps get separated from their money.

Russ, NCNE

RYK · July 23, 2007 12:46PM

<< I have to wonder if some kind of spot removal was attempted on the obverse. Could just be the image, but? >>

The two most prominent obverse spots look less conspicuous on the "after" photos, but who knows?

Fletcher · July 23, 2007 12:47PM

<< Does this example illustrate why we need (or at least may benefit from) a "Consortium"? >>

Pedigrees as well.

stman · July 23, 2007 12:49PM

<< 

<< I have to wonder if some kind of spot removal was attempted on the obverse. Could just be the image, but? >>

The two most prominent obverse spots look less conspicuous on the "after" photos, but who knows? >>

That's what I was referring to. And, I am in no way saying Anaconda "did" anything. They probably just bought it after someone made the "score."
I have no idea if the spots were actually worked.

dizzyfoxx · July 23, 2007 12:49PM

The coin can be graded whatever between AU and low MS, and the price on it can be whatever between AU and low MS. All that matters is that coin is simply a breathtaking piece of history.

ziggy29 · July 23, 2007 12:51PM

<< The coin can be graded whatever between AU and low MS, and the price on it can be whatever between AU and low MS. All that matters is that coin is simply a breathtaking piece of history.

>>

If "low MS" doubles the price, I think that would matter to someone who bought it as a 61 and realized it was a cracked out 50.

But I agree -- like the coin a lot -- hate what it demonstrates is happening to the hobby, though.

coinlieutenant · July 23, 2007 12:52PM

I think that coin has had a bath in something to bring out the luster more I would imagine....some sort of ammonia blend or perhaps some of that stuff that you can put on dull proofs to bring out the mirrors. Dont know if that works for luster or not. The coin was clearly undergraded in a 50 holder by my estimation, but there is more than just wear on the high points...there is rub in the fields.

Russ · July 23, 2007 12:52PM

<< And, I am in no way saying Anaconda "did" anything. They probably just bought it after someone made the "score." >>

I have no doubt that they bought it after it landed in an NGC holder, and I also don't think they knew the history of the coin.

Russ, NCNE

tmot99 · July 23, 2007 12:56PM

<< Does this example illustrate why we need (or at least may benefit from) a "Consortium"? >>

Why, so you can spend $91,500 sight unseen? Even at the Heritage price of $33K? I'd be sure to see that coin in-hand first, then do some research before spending that kind of cash. It's pretty obvious that there are potential wear spots on this coin that COULD be weak strike or COULD be wear. Without seeing it in-hand, I wouldn't make that assessment.

Dealers on the other hand, might buy this sight unseen. So who is the consortium REALLY for?

monsterman · July 23, 2007 12:57PM

would you be mad if pcgs graded it ms 60.....but i was mad as i thought it was a ms 62....so i sent it to ngc looking for the ms 62...then my auction bills were due and i had to sell it quick and left it in the ngc holder

as dizzy says...it is a beautiful coin and from a " look " perspective....the best ive seen

how much is that worth??

monsterman

RYK · July 23, 2007 12:59PM

<< 

<< 

<< I have to wonder if some kind of spot removal was attempted on the obverse. Could just be the image, but? >>

The two most prominent obverse spots look less conspicuous on the "after" photos, but who knows? >>

That's what I was referring to. And, I am in no way saying Anaconda "did" anything. They probably just bought it after someone made the "score."
I have no idea if the spots were actually worked. >>

I would also add that I do not believe that Anaconda "worked" the coin. From what I understand, the doctors are good at keeping a low profile and letting others sell the coin to the retail public. There could be any number of people that have owned or handled the coin between the Heritage auction and the appearance on the Anaconda site.

Anaconda, you've done it again...

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